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mouse - 28 Dec 2006 23:23 GMT
I am uncertain whether I am happy in my marriage.  We were first (and
only) loves who dated for 7 years (since high school) and have been
married for 3 years.  My wife and I are very passive people and hardly
ever argue.  We don't have children.  We are both in our mid-to-late 20's.

I know I should have reconciled this before getting married, but I keep
getting this feeling that we were an "Okay" match, but not the "Right"
match.  When I decided to marry her, I rationalized that since we've been
together for around 7 years, things were "Okay", and neither of us were
interested in pursuing other relationships, that there's no good reason
why we shouldn't make it official.  It was very logical and happened
within two months after deciding. I'm scared that since I didn't really
get the feeling that "She is the one for me; she completes me" (I hesitate
to use the term "soul mate" since it rings of Hollywood fantasy), that it
isn't meant to be and that there may be a happier life with someone that I
really "click" with.

I feel that I don't appreciate, respect, or admire her as appropriate for
a good marriage. Instead I feel like I may have settled for the first
person that I had a relationship with.  This feeling is not recent. Every
time I acknowledged this feeling in the past, I would suppress it because
she is a good, sweet, kind person who never did anything wrong... and
because we never argue so it couldn't be "Bad".

Now that I'm approaching the age to start thinking about children, I am
frightened out of my mind that perhaps we really don't "click" at an
emotional and intimate level, aren't "meant to be", and things will
eventually fizzle out between us anyway.  I want my children to experience
what I never had - a happy, nuclear family.  I also want my children to
grow up in a family where their mother, as well as their father, have
achieved much success in their lives.  Recently I've felt like I'm not
getting any younger and if I'm not happy and need to make corrections in
my life, I need to do it soon.  I want take responsibility of my life; if
I've made a mistake by marrying too young (not necessarily by age, but
perhaps by relationship experience), I want to reconcile it quickly.  I've
read that successful people become successful because they know when to
cut their losses and they aren't afraid of making a decision.

So I asked myself what it means to be in a happy marriage, and if I would
consider myself in one.  While trying to work this out on my own, I
realized that I know of no other "happy" 10-year-old relationships by
which I can measure my own.  I have no idea what a happy, ten-year-old,
child-free relationship is supposed feel like.  I don't know if it is
normal to feel afraid to acknowledge the lack of physical appeal I have
for her, or keep ignoring it out of "respect".  I don't know if it's
normal to feel a lack of affection and intimacy - to the point where any
attempt made by her to repair it is received by me with contempt.  I don't
know if it's normal to have doubts that your spouse is the ideal parent of
your future children (though I have not doubts that she would be a very
good mother).

I am confused.  Can someone please tell me what it *should* feel like to
be in a happy, 10-year-old relationship?  Are my feelings normal or are
they far deviated from it?  If it is far off from normal, at what point
should someone chalk it up to a classic example of getting married too
young/inexperienced and move on?

I understand that this post sounds very harsh.  Please understand that I
am expressing raw emotions and unresolved confusion, not my general nature
or personality. Constructive feedback is always welcome; personal attacks
will be disregarded.

Thanks in advance.
Doug Anderson - 28 Dec 2006 23:34 GMT
> I am uncertain whether I am happy in my marriage.  We were first (and
> only) loves who dated for 7 years (since high school) and have been
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> isn't meant to be and that there may be a happier life with someone that I
> really "click" with.

The "she completes me" _really_ has the ring of a Hollywood fantasy.

I'm not picking on your phraseology, but it sound to me like part of
your problem is that you don't feel complete.  In my opinion good
marriages (and good lives) are made when people are already complete,
and don't need to be completed by another person or experience.

> I feel that I don't appreciate, respect, or admire her as appropriate for
> a good marriage. Instead I feel like I may have settled for the first
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> I've made a mistake by marrying too young (not necessarily by age, but
> perhaps by relationship experience), I want to reconcile it quickly.

This all makes perfectly good sense.  But broaden it to the rest of
your life.  Are you happy with the person you are?  With the
job/career you've chosen?  With the way you live your life?  Etc.

I'm not saying you should remain married - I really have no opinion
about that - but I think you could have a more general problem than
your marriage, and changing your marital status (or the person you are
married to) won't fix that general problem.

> I've
> read that successful people become successful because they know when to
> cut their losses and they aren't afraid of making a decision.

Well, yeah, that's one thing.  Successful people also commit 100% to
what they are going to do, because they know that 100% commitment
enhances the possibility of success.

> So I asked myself what it means to be in a happy marriage, and if I would
> consider myself in one.  While trying to work this out on my own, I
> realized that I know of no other "happy" 10-year-old relationships by
> which I can measure my own.

That's a very good observation.  You can even go further.  If you find
someone who is happy in their 10 yar old relationship, there is no
guarantee that you will be happy in a similar relationship.

When my marriage was at its nadir, one of  the questions my wife asked
me was "who _does_ have a marriage that you like."  I didn't have a
good answer for that, but claim that I didn't need one.  I know what I
wanted _my_ marriage to be like, and the fact that I didn't know
anyone with a marriage like that didn't mean that I couldn't want it.

> I have no idea what a happy, ten-year-old,
> child-free relationship is supposed feel like.  I don't know if it is
> normal to feel afraid to acknowledge the lack of physical appeal I have
> for her, or keep ignoring it out of "respect".

I can't tell you what is "normal."  I  think in a healthy
relationship, the feelings you have for each other transcend physical
appeal, so that your spouse remains physically appealing even if they
might not be so appealing to the person on the street.

> I don't know if it's
> normal to feel a lack of affection and intimacy - to the point where any
> attempt made by her to repair it is received by me with contempt.

Forget about whether it is normal or not.  Do you find it acceptble to
live that way?  I wouldn't.

> I don't
> know if it's normal to have doubts that your spouse is the ideal parent of
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> I am confused.  Can someone please tell me what it *should* feel like to
> be in a happy, 10-year-old relationship?

I claim that this is the wrong question.  You need to stat defining
the live you want to live and pursuing that, rather than passibly
accepting the defaults, or even looking for what is "normal" or what
things "should" be like.
jwb - 29 Dec 2006 00:17 GMT
> I am confused.  Can someone please tell me what it *should* feel like to
> be in a happy, 10-year-old relationship?  Are my feelings normal or are
> they far deviated from it?  If it is far off from normal, at what point
> should someone chalk it up to a classic example of getting married too
> young/inexperienced and move on?

this boils down to a very simple question, really. Are you living the life
you want to live?

yes = good
no = bad

If you answer "yes", then stay married. However, I suspect you will answer
"no", to which I would tell you perhaps you might want to work on living the
life you *want* to live. It's up to you to decide if that includes your wife
(unlikely, given your post)

I would answer differently if you had kids. But you don't have any (keep it
that way for now), so you have much more flexibility in what you decide to
do with your marriage than someone who has kids.

Best of luck.
deja.blues - 29 Dec 2006 00:51 GMT
> I also want my children to grow up in a family where >their mother, as
well as their father, have
> achieved much success in their lives.

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. "Much success" is in no way a
prerequisite for raising happy children. Many successful people are crappy
parents.

Unless you're some sort of wunderkind, your most successful years (realizing
that "success" is a very subjective thing) are likely to come long after
your prime childbearing years.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 29 Dec 2006 19:47 GMT
>  > I also want my children to grow up in a family where >their mother, as
> well as their father, have
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> prerequisite for raising happy children. Many successful people are crappy
> parents.

Mary laughs:
Deja, you are SO right! Basically, when you have kids you look at your
choices. Okay....good social life, good marriage, good career, good
parents.....and you have to pick TWO of the four, since no one can
achieve all four at the same time with babies and young kids on the
scene. Its just not physically possible.

I have friends who are the classic over achievers - she was a full
partner in a very prestigious law firm and he was a full partner in a
very prestigious management consulting firm. They both worked a lot of
hours, travelled all over, and had a lifestyle to be envied. And then
they had kids. Now, they did have the advantage that they had TONS of
money to throw at their problems, so they could hire house cleaners,
yard workers, nannies, any hired help you can think of..... but the
long and short of it....she tried cutting back so she only worked 40
hours a week (the law firm considered that part time), but ended up
having to quit entirely because they couldn't successfully manage
home/family work - it was clear the marriage was going to go under, the
kids weren't getting what they needed, and mom and dad were stressed
out and miserable.

My advice to the OP...get thy butt into counselling so you can think
this through. Having said that, now is the time to separate, if you
really think this isn't for you long term. At least for a while to get
your head clear, and make some decisions. Once you have kids, you are
REALLY committed.

M
Nina - 29 Dec 2006 01:15 GMT
> I'm scared that since I didn't really
>get the feeling that "She is the one for me; she completes me" (I hesitate
>to use the term "soul mate" since it rings of Hollywood fantasy), that it
>isn't meant to be and that there may be a happier life with someone that I
>really "click" with.

All of this kind of sounds like fantasy to me, and I'm pretty sure
that lots of people will tell you that there's no such thing as "the
one."  If you give up you marriage seeking this ideal, you are likely
to be disappointed.

>I feel that I don't appreciate, respect, or admire her as appropriate for
>a good marriage. Instead I feel like I may have settled for the first
>person that I had a relationship with.  This feeling is not recent. Every
>time I acknowledged this feeling in the past, I would suppress it because
>she is a good, sweet, kind person who never did anything wrong... and
>because we never argue so it couldn't be "Bad".

But on the other hand, you can never argue, and things can still be
pretty bad.  Pretty boring.  Pretty unsatisfying.  Pretty much not the
way that you might want to live.

>Now that I'm approaching the age to start thinking about children, I am
>frightened out of my mind that perhaps we really don't "click" at an
>emotional and intimate level, aren't "meant to be", and things will
>eventually fizzle out between us anyway.  

You know... just when I'm kind of with you, you start saying this
"meant to be" stuff... and usually when people start talking about
that, what they really mean is, I've seen someone way hotter, and I
think that I could have a lot more fun somewhere else.  It's all kind
of delusional...  

>I want my children to experience
>what I never had - a happy, nuclear family.  I also want my children to
>grow up in a family where their mother, as well as their father, have
>achieved much success in their lives.  

What exactly does this mean to you, and why would it be important?  As
another poster said, people who are very successful are often lousy
parents.  Achieving a happy nuclear family is another kind of
success... and one that's often more difficult to achieve.    

>Recently I've felt like I'm not
>getting any younger and if I'm not happy and need to make corrections in
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>read that successful people become successful because they know when to
>cut their losses and they aren't afraid of making a decision.

Hm, success again.  But if you are going to "cut your losses" on the
relationship front, certainly it's better to do it before you have
children.

>So I asked myself what it means to be in a happy marriage, and if I would
>consider myself in one.  While trying to work this out on my own, I
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>should someone chalk it up to a classic example of getting married too
>young/inexperienced and move on?

I don't think that anyone can tell you if your feelings are or are not
normal.  Actually, I don't think that there really IS such a thing as
normal, as everyone is different.  And I think you would be
well-advised to stop looking around at others and start looking
inward.

But on the other hand, one thing that is very often true is that
relationships that are not worked on grow stagnant over time.  I
suspect that while nothing is "bad", it may well be that nothing is
very "good", either.  And that it's both of your faults, because it's
easy to fall into placid patterns that don't change very much.  Does
that mean that you should seek excitement by divorcing and looking for
someone else?  I don't know, and I suppose that partly depends on what
the factors are that caused you to settle for the first person you
were with, and now to wonder if she's really... good enough, I guess.
But first, I think I'd invest some time in working *with* the person
I'd been with for 10 years.
Tai - 29 Dec 2006 01:47 GMT
[...]

> I understand that this post sounds very harsh.  Please understand
> that I am expressing raw emotions and unresolved confusion, not my
> general nature or personality. Constructive feedback is always
> welcome; personal attacks will be disregarded.
>
> Thanks in advance.

If you were an engaged person asking whether he should get married while
feeling as you describe then I'd have no trouble saying doing do it. But you
are married and I think you owe it to yourself and your wife to at least try
to see if the feelings come from a genuine dissatisfaction with her or with
your life in general. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference.

Tai
Emma Anne - 29 Dec 2006 18:23 GMT
> [...]
> >
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> to see if the feelings come from a genuine dissatisfaction with her or with
> your life in general. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference.

Yes, I think so too.  In the meantime, do *not* have children!
sheetal.gangaramani@gmail.com - 30 Dec 2006 15:58 GMT
Hey. I think you are taking your love for granted. There are people who
are in their late thirties and still haven't found their love. You
could have been someone like that and could have been lonely had you
not found this lovely partner. It is my advice to you to make up your
mind firmly to love your partner and be committed to her. Once again,
you are among
the few lucky ones in the world. Give your 100% to your relationship
and make it work!
Regards,
Sheetal
> I am uncertain whether I am happy in my marriage.  We were first (and
> only) loves who dated for 7 years (since high school) and have been
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>
> Thanks in advance.
 
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