Are you ready for this???
I am emotionally confused. I have been married for 16 years and live
with a wife who drinks every day and every night after she gets home.
Usually 2 beers and 2 big glasses of wine. I have confronted her with
the drinking and it seems that she gravitates to others in her circle
for support that she has no real problem. She says its only my
problem. I called Al-Anon and they advised me Not to react to the
drinking. I feel like she drinks so much because she has lost interest
in me and our relationship? Because I care for her and want her to be
more loving to me and cut down on the drinking, she seems cold and
often distant to me lately. On Saturdays, she asks me what I have
planned and doesnt ask what we could do together. She makes her own
plans and goes to get a tan, her nails done, maybe go to work for a
few hours and then to the gym. All said, she gets home about 4:30 pm
and then greets me with...hi honey, and needless to say, that I am
pissed that she ditched me all day. This is a frequent occurrance. She
says that then I pout and that I just cant stand that she has friends
and wants to do other things without me from time to time. She says we
need to be more like her parents and do their own separate things and
then get back together and have something to talk about. Her father
calls her to ck in with her every day and she is 39! When we first
met, she literally had to be with me all the time and we saw each
other every day. My friends say that I need to quit calling her during
the day and stop doing everything for her all the time, and especially
quit answering my cell phone when she calls to ck on me throughout the
day. I literally quit dialing her at work about 2 or 3 months ago. Now
she says I dont care about her anymore. BTW - I work at home 90% of
the time and she really has a problem with this and wants me to go do
stuff with my friends. I am a top producer with my firm and make
almost $200,000 per year, so its not like I sit at home watching TV or
play all day. Anyway, when I do leave the house, I receive a series of
calls from her. Are you having fun, blah, blah...3 or 4 calls.
Sometimes I leave and the teen age kids call her and then she is
calling me to say that the kids said I left, and what am I doing.
What do I do to turn this situation around.
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THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO MY WIFE NOW............
It's gotten to the point where I am seriously considering leaving
you.
I think our biggest problem has been your drinking and I am getting
extremely depressed and under the
most stress I have ever encountered and it is causing me some serious
health problems recently by
watching your health and weight deplete and you destroy yourself wirh
your daily drinking. Look in the mirror.
You are seriously aging yourself with your behavior.
Beside you not wanting to be loved by me....You have hiding money from
me all year long and lying about it. Another matter altogether.
Having grown up around a few alcohiolics, and speaking to Al-Anon...I
can say that there is little
you can do to change the person with a substance abuse problem. He or
she will only change when he/she decides, for himself/herself that it
is
time to change, and cease drinking. I can't decide that for you.
Have you considered that the reason you don't feel happy is because of
all the alcohol that you consume throughout the day, weeks, and
months, and for years???
Most alcoholics eventually have to lose everything (their family,
their house, and/or job) and hit rock bottom before that happens.
I'm getting some counseling and taking initial steps to prepare for
what I need to do for our family. There is no question that I
have been working on being more positive, encouraging and patient. You
haven't even been trying. You are displaying emotional avoidance.
You say that we have a communication problem. Yes we do. We have no
intimate conversations. Everything that we talk about gets relayed to
others. When I talk to you as as a lover and friend, it seems that you
go around immediately to discuss our conversations with your whole
network at work, your parents, your sister, and even the neighbors.
Not only that, but you talk BAD to them about me frequently. Is that
something that a loved does to her husband. Why??
You are the love of my life and quite frankly your daily drinking and
emotional detachment
and actions towards avoiding me are too painful to sit back and watch
every day.
BTW - your carrer is going great, and I'm proud of you, but don't let
that overshadow what is really important...YOUR FAMILY, and your
relationship with your famliy. You are not investing enough into the
family relationship im my opinion. Take the blinders off.
If you want to make things work then we need to turn this relationship
around, and fast.
If not, I figure I'd rather be alone and unhappy rather than living
with someone who is emotionally
disconnected from me and the kids, feeling alone, feeling unhappy and
knowing that that person does not appreciate value me enough
to be more loving.
HotFlashesColdTears - 20 Feb 2007 00:36 GMT
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> If not, I figure I'd rather be alone and unhappy rather than living
> with someone who is emotionally
> disconnected from me and the kids, feeling alone, feeling unhappy and
> knowing that that person does not appreciate value me enough
> to be more loving.
Reread the last paragraph of your post and you have your answer. I don't
know why you say you need some "strong advice" when obviously you already
know what your options are and what the best one is.
I agree you shouldn't have to put up with what you describe. No reasonably
good spouse should. I know a lot of people who have been or are in marriages
w/ alcoholics and/or other substance abusers and it's a nightmare. No
relationship can be worth anything while addictive behavior is going on.
IMO--and you are asking for opinions here---you need to confront your wife
directly and give her an absolute ultimatum: she gets into rehab immediately
and addresses her alcoholism or you are filing for divorce and custody of
your children. She needs something that extreme to force her to reality.
You need to let her know you're dead serious, and you should follow through
immediately if she balks or blows you off. If she agrees and gets into
treatment, you can go from there. First she needs to address her alcohol
addiction. Next, the whole family will need counseling, most especially her,
and then you and her, to deal with the many other issues destroying your
lives here. If she gets sober, only then do the 2 of you have any prayer of
working on the marital problems.
If you're not prepared to take these bold steps, be prepared to go on the
way you have been for the foreseeable future...until things get worse.
Which they will, mark my words.
You have my sympathy. Your marriage, as you describe it, makes mine seem
like Ozzie and Harriet by comparison.
Kimmy
deja.blues - 20 Feb 2007 03:31 GMT
> Are you ready for this???
Didn't you get good enough advice when you posted this on 2/14/2007?
Bill in Co. - 20 Feb 2007 04:03 GMT
>> Are you ready for this???
>
> Didn't you get good enough advice when you posted this on 2/14/2007?
Obviously not. Maybe he needs some "help".
Doug Laidlaw - 21 Feb 2007 08:20 GMT
>>> Are you ready for this???
>>
>> Didn't you get good enough advice when you posted this on 2/14/2007?
>
> Obviously not. Maybe he needs some "help".
He doesn't *want* to leave his wife. It would be the "sensible" thing to
do, but he loves her too much. And if he leaves her, what has she got
left? That is where I came from in my reply.
Doug L.

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Bill in Co. - 21 Feb 2007 19:28 GMT
>>>> Are you ready for this???
>>>
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> do, but he loves her too much. And if he leaves her, what has she got
> left? That is where I came from in my reply.
I was being facetious.
Doug Laidlaw - 26 Feb 2007 12:10 GMT
>>>>> Are you ready for this???
>>>>
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>
> I was being facetious.
And they claim that I have a sense of humour! I always take those comments
too seriously.
Doug.

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Bill in Co. - 26 Feb 2007 20:22 GMT
>>>>>> Are you ready for this???
>>>>>
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> And they claim that I have a sense of humour! I always take those comments
> too seriously.
I do have a tendency to throw in some dry humour, on occasion. Please be
duly advised, in advance. :-)
Doug Laidlaw - 20 Feb 2007 08:57 GMT
> Are you ready for this???
>
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> knowing that that person does not appreciate value me enough
> to be more loving.
It seems that you posted this before, although I didn't see it then.
You have to decide, and take responsibility for your decision. If you feel
like saying that to your wife, well - go ahead and say it. If you think
that you must leave, then leave. If you feel that you need to be around
to "pick up the pieces" when your wife does eventually collapse completely,
then stay. Either way, you can't have everything. I get the feeling that
you don't want to leave her.
If you are hoping that one day your wife will suddenly turn around - well,
it has been known to happen, but AFAIK it isn't common.
Remember that your wife isn't exactly enjoying being an alcoholic. Any
addiction, including to alcohol, may be a crutch for something else, often
depression. (This theory is from Terrance Real: "I Don't Want to Talk
About It.") I inherited the gene for depression. All my ancestors in the
19th century "got on the bottle" until it killed them. I am on medication
which doesn't mix with alcohol, or I would sometimes prefer to get drunk
like them. Instead, I drink coffee to excess.
The alcoholism isn't a disease, it is only a symptom. You are seeing your
wife as a rational person with free will, who could stop drinking this
evening if she chose. But alcoholism is an addiction, just as much as
heroin or cocaine. At the moment, she is NOT responsible. You obviously
love her very much. Try helping her to see that she needs help, and
helping her to get it. A.A. would be a first step - or marriage guidance.
There will be backsliding. Just when you think that she is free of her
habit, she will slip again. But this time, she won't fall so far, and she
won't be down so long. I have been through this, substituting "depression"
for "alcoholism."
Most importantly, let her know that you love her now, just as she is - where
she is, with the mess she has made of her life, yours, and the family's.
She is probably feeling that she has let you down and lost the right to
your love. Let her know that she doesn't have to earn your love. A
crumpled, filthy $50 note is still worth $50. She is still worth her full
value as a person.
You can take the next bit as religion, or simply as psychology. I don't
agree with preaching religion to your wife at this time. A woman wrote:
"Jesus didn't say: At the end of the road you will find me. He said: I am
the Way. When we are in a hole, the Way begins in the hole."
I see that last sentence as very important. Your wife is in a hole. It is
too deep for her to climb out by herself. You need to meet her in her
hole. Don't hold up to her what she used to be, except as an ideal to be
reached. Hold up to her only as much as she can travel today. That may
be: One drink less tonight, although going "cold turkey" may be preferable.
It is only an example. (If she does go cold turkey, make sure that medical
help is available. The D.T.'s aren't nice.) Ignore her slip-ups and praise
her successes. Help her to live one day at a time. That is A.A.'s first
principle, and that of the 12-step group I used to belong to, which
acknowledged its debt to A.A.
HTH,
Doug.

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lifewithdale - 21 Feb 2007 09:56 GMT
>I called Al-Anon and they advised me Not to react to the
drinking.<
My advice, for what it's worth, call them back and find a meeting.
Then go to it. Good luck.