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jadite11 - 24 Apr 2007 21:44 GMT
On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that he/
she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about not
trying to change your spouse.

As my husband and I have been working through our problems, we had an
interesting discussion that I wanted to share with you.  We were
talking about how young we were when we got married (20 & 22) and how
MUCH both of us have changed in the last 23 years.  We were discussing
how important it is to continuously accept the changes in each other.
I thought that was interesting.  Of course we loved everything about
each other when we got married, it's the changes that have occurred in
both of us that have caused the problems.

I think it's easy with a busy life and kids to go on for a long time
and not notice the imperceptible changes that occur in your spouse.
Suddenly you look up one day and realize that you hardly know this
person you're married to.  It takes a lot of love and commitment to
embrace those changes as you go along the road.
AllYou! - 24 Apr 2007 22:01 GMT
> On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that he/
> she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about
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> person you're married to.  It takes a lot of love and commitment to
> embrace those changes as you go along the road.

I think you also put your finger on the reason why there is such a
thing as parents making the kids too much of a priority in their
lives.  Parents have two basic jobs; 1) To protect their kids; and 2)
to get their kids ready for independence.  If they're doing the latter
properly, there's simply no reason why they can't make all the time
they need for themselves as a couple.
PH - 29 Apr 2007 19:43 GMT
> > On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that he/
> > she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about
> > not
> > trying to change your spouse.

You can't change and stay the same...or, can you?  ;-)

> > As my husband and I have been working through our problems, we had
> > an
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> properly, there's simply no reason why they can't make all the time
> they need for themselves as a couple

Yes, but some of us are late bloomers....really late if the seeds are
not watered
PH - 29 Apr 2007 19:54 GMT
> > On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that he/
> > she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Nina - 24 Apr 2007 22:01 GMT
>On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that he/
>she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about not
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>person you're married to.  It takes a lot of love and commitment to
>embrace those changes as you go along the road.

I don't disagree with any of what you said, but I think that you too
easily dismiss the things that exist when we marry.  I'm willing to
bet that you didn't truly love everything about your husband when you
married... or that, if you did, that you didn't know him very well.

People do change considerably as they get older and life happens, but
in a weird way, a lot of that change is often becoming more who they
are, not becoming someone different.  And so those things that were
endearing little quirks when we first encountered them can become
seriously annoying and not endearing at all after we live with them
for a while.  Or we take too lightly things that have the potential to
be a problem, thinking that love will conquer all.  Or, because we're
young, we don't understand ourselves well enough to know what we
really need.

But it's unquestionably true that if you don't make an effort to grow
together, you *will* grow apart.
S.D. - 24 Apr 2007 22:50 GMT
> Of course we loved everything about
> each other when we got married, it's the changes that have occurred in
> both of us that have caused the problems.

I suspect that you loved what glared at each other along with some cute
and workable subtleties, as many teens and 20 something's do.  They
build a relationship/marriage on fluctuating idealisms...

Some people are raised with sound values and morals from childhood.
They mature and experience but never loose sight through out their life
of who and what they are, what they value.

There are far more who don't experience strong parenting early on, yet
have nice loving parents; just weak at teaching character values, and
lite to zero at moral guidance and providing boundaries.
Child matures - life comes at them with a variety of choices; there's no
right and wrong, good and bad, "what's a boundary?"  Let's test what
ever feels good without thinking about consequences; almost any choice
could redirect that person.  Hence, they easily loose their center,
allowing radical character "changes to occurred.  That's when there's
either a fight to find common valued ground and hold on to each other;
or walk away claiming irreconcilable differences.
Tai - 24 Apr 2007 23:01 GMT
> On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that he/
> she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about not
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> person you're married to.  It takes a lot of love and commitment to
> embrace those changes as you go along the road.

Maybe, maybe not. It probably depends on how marked the changes are!

I have to say my experience in this is quite different to what you are
describing. I know my husband very well and there is no one more familiar to
me, including our children. I'm pretty sure he feels the same way, yet we
have both changed over the years.

As far as I can tell, though, the adjustments we have had to make have been
sparked by a combination of changing external factors and our core
personality traits that were always there, if not in a fully expressed form
until given the right circumstances.

Also, I think a busy lifestyle is more likely to lead to the realisation
that they aren't spending enough time together than that either or both
spouses have changed to some measurable degree. For some people the new or
different lifestyle which *doesn't* include their spouse is merely more
appealing than the old one which does and that's what they choose. Oops.

Tai
deja.blues - 25 Apr 2007 02:46 GMT
> On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that he/
> she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about not
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> person you're married to.  It takes a lot of love and commitment to
> embrace those changes as you go along the road.

In the 24 years (almost 20 years married), DH and I have been together,
we've become more alike than different.
We've grown,  not changed.
We're still the same, but more improved, advanced, mellowed, better versions
of ourselves!
AllYou! - 25 Apr 2007 13:13 GMT
>> On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that
>> he/
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> We're still the same, but more improved, advanced, mellowed, better
> versions of ourselves!

Then you've changed.
michaela - 25 Apr 2007 07:52 GMT
> On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that he/
> she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about not
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> person you're married to.  It takes a lot of love and commitment to
> embrace those changes as you go along the road.

Or you could just continue to focus on the parts of each other that
are still,
in your eyes, worth loving.

- Michaela
michaela - 25 Apr 2007 07:53 GMT
michaela wrote:
> jadite11 wrote:
>> On sights like this, you often hear, "well, didn't you know that
he/
>> she was like that when you got married?"  or some such thing about
>> not trying to change your spouse.
>>
>> As my husband and I have been working through our problems, we had
an
>> interesting discussion that I wanted to share with you.  We were
>> talking about how young we were when we got married (20 & 22) and
how
>> MUCH both of us have changed in the last 23 years.  We were
>> discussing how important it is to continuously accept the changes
in
>> each other. I thought that was interesting.  Of course we loved
>> everything about each other when we got married, it's the changes
>> that have occurred in both of us that have caused the problems.
>>
>> I think it's easy with a busy life and kids to go on for a long
time
>> and not notice the imperceptible changes that occur in your spouse.
>> Suddenly you look up one day and realize that you hardly know this
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> - Michaela

That's not to say that I didn't find your post seminal. I will
definitely
be giving this one a think.

- Michaela
 
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