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Family Forum / Marriage / Marriage / May 2007Re: A staggering lack of gratitude
Doug Anderson wrote: > "Tai" <tainuitiDELETE@gmail.com.invalid> writes: > >> Emma Anne wrote: >>> Barbara Didrichsen <barberra@yahooremove.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 22 May 2007 07:35:34 +1000, "Tai" >>>> <tainuitiDELETE@gmail.com.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>> Heheheheh >>>>> >>>>> Substitute "pussy" for a similar level of vulgarity! And no need >>>>> to apologise, it made me smile. >>>> >>>> One of the most eye-opening (and funny!) differences in our >>>> language was how we perceive the word "root" in the US and in >>>> Australia. >>>> >>>> Suffice it to say, I didn't use expressions like "root cause" while >>>> staying down under!!! >>> >>> OK, fill me in. I haven't heard that one. >> >> "Root" is a synonym for sexual intercourse in impolite Australian >> society. I think Barbara would be safe enough in using it here in >> most situations (and certainly with me!) but she might raise amused >> eyebrows if she said something like she'd "spent the afternoon >> rooting with her partner in the vegetable patch". We'd know what she >> meant but still.... > > I'm trying to figure out how the Australian versions of these words > would sound. > > "Rut" in the US can be a synonym for sexual intercourse. But "root" > and "rut" are very far apart in pronunciation in the parts of the US > I've lived in. I do think that in some areas of the US they would be > close enough to confuse me though. I'm thinking that the people here who would use root to mean rut probably wouldn't know what rut meant! But your suggestion does make sense. Root and route are pronounced the same here, to rhyme with shoot but not out. Rut rhymes with shut. Tai > Doug Anderson wrote: > > "Tai" <tainuitiDELETE@gmail.com.invalid> writes: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Root and route are pronounced the same here, to rhyme with shoot but not > out. Rut rhymes with shut. Heh. I could have written those two sentences. And yet I'm not convinced that you pronounce "root" or "rut" (or "shut" or "route") the same way I do! And now you force me to my dictionary, which my feeble eyes can hardly read (so I hope you are feeling appropriately chastened). Hmm. More interesting than I thought, though I don't see any relationship to "rut."! First we have: b. Austral. slang. (See quot. 1959.) The placing of this sense is uncertain; it may be, or be apprehended as, a fig. use of sense 10b below. 1945 BAKER Austral. Lang. viii. 152 The authentic digger form is Wouldn't it root you! A regimental (1941) took its name from the first letters of the words in this phrase. 1951 D. STIVENS Jimmy Brockett It looks as though we're rooted, I told Herb. 1959 BAKER Drum II. 140 Root,..to outwit, baffle, exhaust, utterly confound (someone). Whence, to be rooted, to be exhausted or confounded; get rooted! Go to blazes! 1961 M. CALTHORPE Dyehouse (1962) xl. He can get rooted, for all I Collins said bitterly. 1973 Telegraph (Brisbane) 15 Nov. 3/1 Mr. Whitlam later admitted having said in an It is what he put in his guts that rooted 1974 J. POWERS Last of Knucklemen III. ii. What the hell's goin' The Hun's rooted, that's what! Done like a dinner! Then we get to 10. 10. Miscellaneous senses of uncertain affinity. (Perh. properly developments of ROOT v.2) a. trans. and intr. To kick, esp. in the backside. slang (chiefly Schoolboys'). 1890 BARRERE & LELAND Dict. Slang II. 186/1 Root, to (schools and London), to give one a kick behind. I. Lighter Side School Life ii. 52 We rooted Sowerby afterwards for grinning. 1934 Bulletin (Sydney) 31 Jan. 32/2 Give the horse that can root a bit to the horse~breaker or the head stockman is the general rule, or, better still, to the blacks. 1946 B. MARSHALL George Brown's Schooldays xxxvii. 145 Rooting them [sc. new pupils] up the backside is the only way of dealing with them. b. Austral. coarse slang. trans. (usu. with a male subject). To copulate with; intr., to copulate, to engage in sexual intercourse. Also in phr. to root like a rattlesnake, to copulate vigorously. 1958 R. M. STUART in R. Chamberlain Stuart Affair (1973) ii. 12, I took her bathers off. Then I raped her. She was hard to root. 1966 P. WHITE Solid Mandala 185 We'll root together so good you'll shoot out the other side of Christmas. 1969 Private Eye 1 Aug. 14 The Pope's a Jew if that jam tart doesn't root like a rattlesnake. 1974 K. COOK Bloodhouse 110 We found this bloody little poofter down on the beach fiddling with a bird... Couldn't even root her. >> Doug Anderson wrote: >>> "Tai" <tainuitiDELETE@gmail.com.invalid> writes: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > convinced that you pronounce "root" or "rut" (or "shut" or "route") > the same way I do! Probably not, but I bet we pronounce those more alike than the words "dance" or "aunt"! (I say dahnce or darnce with a non-rhotic "r".) Are you sure you don't say "route" to rhyme with "out"? And what about "due" and "new" rhyming with "too", which they definitely don't here. > And now you force me to my dictionary, which my feeble eyes can hardly > read (so I hope you are feeling appropriately chastened). Not a bit of it, now I've read some of what you've quoted (Ugh!) > Hmm. More interesting than I thought, though I don't see any > relationship to "rut."! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > guts that rooted 1974 J. POWERS Last of Knucklemen III. ii. What the > hell's goin' The Hun's rooted, that's what! Done like a dinner! That's a common meaning and less obscene than the sexual meaning, although still vulgar. Like "buggered", "rooted" can just mean broken, defeated or used up and not anything sexual. "Stuffed" is a slightly less vulgar in that context, as well, but also can be used as a sexually based insult as in "get stuffed". Those last examples are extremely uh... colourful! Tai > Then we get to 10. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Bloodhouse 110 We found this bloody little poofter down on the beach > fiddling with a bird... Couldn't even root her. > Root and route are pronounced the same here, to rhyme with shoot but not > out. Rut rhymes with shut. Here in MA, it's the same. It's always easy to to spot when businesses use outside advertising companies to make their commercials. It grates on my ears when I hear an announcer say some business or other is on 'Route 1' or 'Route 128' (rhyming with out, when it should be shoot)... mostly irritating because I usually tune out advertising, then my ear hears this 'wrong' (for our area, anyway) pronunciation and it gets my attention.. (those evil buggers, I bet they do it on purpose!!! lol) [snip] >It grates on my ears when I hear an announcer say some business or other is >on 'Route 1' or 'Route 128' (rhyming with out, when it should be shoot)... >mostly irritating because I usually tune out advertising, then my ear hears >this 'wrong' (for our area, anyway) pronunciation and it gets my >attention.. (those evil buggers, I bet they do it on purpose!!! lol) I think it's a regional thing. In my part of the country, it's far more common to pronounce "route" to rhyme with "out." I can go either way but grew up (and still feel more comfortable) with the "shoot" version. Of course, it's not unusual for "creek" to be pronounced "crick" here either. Like Baltimore, Cincy is at that intersection between the south and the north, and it's reflected in both our accents and pronunciations. Barb Bill in Co. wrote: > SouthernComfort wrote: >>> On May 26, 9:53 pm, "SouthernComfort" <southbl...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > As I already said, in a word, it's really a "mockumentary"!! Well, I've only seen one of his offerings but clearly Mike Moore is a satirist first and foremost. All this earnest back and forth about what makes a documentary seems largely irrelevant where he is concerned. Tai |
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