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Why do I hurt my wife's feelings?

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AussieGuy - 25 Jul 2007 23:55 GMT
I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
the hallmarks of middle age.....hair going grey, waistline expansion
etc.   Every now and then I feel a need to pick on her about this
stuff....I know it upsets her but I still do it...its not premeditated
- I usually just blurt it out.

Things can be great for months then for some reason I start to
concentrate on some aspect of her appearance that eats away at me
until I just blurt something out about it.   The thing that really
makes me angry is that I'm no oil painting and that she could say the
same sort of things to me.....

I try and tell myself to keep my mouth shut but apparently I'm not
happy until I say something that hurts her....I feel like a complete
heel as soon as I say it.

Just wondering if anyone else has been in a similiar situation?

Fred
Vickie - 26 Jul 2007 00:56 GMT
> I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
> have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
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>
> Fred

I've been on the receiving end.  Not about looks but smarts.  It
hurts, bad.

To get that kind of treatment, especially when it is a sore spot, is
so painful.  And coming from the one you love, your SO, it can do
damage.  And this receiver has to fight to get self-wellness back.

I hope someone has some words of wisdom for you Fred.  I wish *I*
could do it, but I wanted you to know the kind of ache in your wife's
heart you could be leaving.  Maybe it is just enough to know that.

I am glad you recognize what you are doing and are asking for help..

Good luck,
Vickie
Nina - 26 Jul 2007 00:57 GMT
>I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
>have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Just wondering if anyone else has been in a similiar situation?

Well, no, but... it seems to me like kind of a communication issue.
If you felt that you could say these things kindly to your wife, would
you be so likely to blurt it out like this?  I mean, it kind of sounds
like you can't think of a tactful, polite way to say this, so it just
kind of builds up until you explode.  Not a wise thing to do, but you
know that.

It would be VERY easy to say that you need to accept your wife the way
she is, recognize that we all age, and that you are doing it too.  But
you know that, too, and it still bothers you.  So another reasonable
question is, what would you like your wife to do about this, and do
you think it's a reasonable thing to ask of her?  I mean, if I were
your wife and I were able to have a conversation about this in which I
didn't start out by feeling defensive and hurt, I can think of things
that I would probably think perfectly reasonable, and things that I
might not or that I might find difficult to carry out.
AussieGuy - 26 Jul 2007 01:20 GMT
> >I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
> >have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> that I would probably think perfectly reasonable, and things that I
> might not or that I might find difficult to carry out.

Nina,

All I really want is for her to put a colour through her hair...its
not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
principle of thing i.e. why can't I accept her like she is.....

Fred
shinypenny - 26 Jul 2007 01:27 GMT
> All I really want is for her to put a colour through her hair...its
> not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
> principle of thing i.e. why can't I accept her like she is.....

Tell her that every time you see her gray hair, it gives you a pang in
your heart, realizing she is older than you and may die before you do,
leaving you all alone.

I suspect that you are either thoroughly shallow OR this is what's
bothering you - fear that your heart will be crushed someday when she
dies.

Incidentally my own DH just decided it was time to stop dying his
hair. He's only two years older than me. He's been gray forever (long
before he should be) and dying it forever. So he has let it all grow
out and now he is about 80% blue-ish gray instead of reddish brown. It
took me several weeks to get used to it, but now I am.

(But I'm still not personally ready to let my real hair color show!!)

jen
Nina - 26 Jul 2007 01:32 GMT
>> >I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
>> >have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
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>not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
>principle of thing i.e. why can't I accept her like she is.....

For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's an awful thing to want.
I saw an old friend of mine a few weeks ago, hadn't seen her in 10
years, and I was sort of shocked to see that she'd let her hair go
dead white... and she's 45; it made her look 15 years older.

And, sure, lots of people will say, you should accept her the way she
is... but, hey, I suggest to my husband that it's really time to shave
and that his hair is way too long, so how is that different?  We all
do little things to accommodate the preferences of our spouses.

But tact and consideration help a LOT, and if my husband blurted
something like this out, and I felt hurt, I might not do it just to
spite him.  Very adult, I know.  :-)

Is she absolutely dead set against this?
Tai - 26 Jul 2007 02:45 GMT
[...]

> For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's an awful thing to want.
> I saw an old friend of mine a few weeks ago, hadn't seen her in 10
> years, and I was sort of shocked to see that she'd let her hair go
> dead white... and she's 45; it made her look 15 years older.

There's a guy I've known for twenty or so years who at 30 had a shock of
pepper and salt grey hair. He's a good looking man and that hair married
with a more than usually attractive face was striking.  He's still a good
looking guy at 50 something but his face has grown into his hair - which
hasn't changed at all in the last two decades.

Mind you, men do seem to age better despite the lines and wrinkles we all
get!

> And, sure, lots of people will say, you should accept her the way she
> is... but, hey, I suggest to my husband that it's really time to shave
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> something like this out, and I felt hurt, I might not do it just to
> spite him.  Very adult, I know.  :-)

lol

I don't think you'd be unusual there!

> Is she absolutely dead set against this?

I occasionally put a temporary rinse that lasts about a month through my
hair but I loathe permanent dyes because they strip the moisture out of my
healthy, shiny (slightly greying) hair and then you have to keep touching up
the roots. That's a giant pain! So I can understand if his wife doesn't want
to bother with all that.

There's a balance we have to reach between how much we want our spouse to
change something about their appearance (or anything, really) and how much
it would inconvenience them to do it. For example, I'd like my husband to
grow a beard and keep it for a while but he doesn't want to and it wouldn't
feel right to push my preference over his. So while I agree it would be nice
if the OP's wife would start to colour her hair I don't necessarily think
it's only a small thing and she *should* do it.

And, after all, it is her hair.
Nina - 26 Jul 2007 03:10 GMT
>[...]
>>
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>looking guy at 50 something but his face has grown into his hair - which
>hasn't changed at all in the last two decades.

I have a female friend who started graying early in her 20s... and for
some reason, it actually worked well for her.  Some people look good
in gray (unfortunately, my friend above doesn't... plus, she needs a
good haircut.  I'm not usually snippy about how people look, but I've
known her all my life, and I know she looks beautiful with short hair,
and not so great with whatever it is that she's got going on now).

>Mind you, men do seem to age better despite the lines and wrinkles we all
>get!
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>
>And, after all, it is her hair.

That's why I wondered if she really cared a lot about this or whether
she was just irritated and hurt by his approach.  I mean, to me, this
would totally not be a big deal thing, not something I feel attached
about, and so the suggestion, tactfully put, wouldn't bother me.  If
DH wanted me to CUT my hair, I would feel really different (I look
like a squirrel with short hair).  

I figure, if you really care, it's your body and your call.  If you
don't care that much, why not really?
Tai - 26 Jul 2007 03:19 GMT
[...]

>> I occasionally put a temporary rinse that lasts about a month
>> through my hair but I loathe permanent dyes because they strip the
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> DH wanted me to CUT my hair, I would feel really different (I look
> like a squirrel with short hair).

Actually, that's a good example of where I would definitely dig in my heels.
My husband has never asked me to change my hair length or choose a
particular style although he will comment favourably on both occasionally.
(He also doesn't notice when I get a haircut all that often so maybe we
won't talk about that...!)

Anyway, I have very definite ideas about what hair length and styles do suit
me and I'd be very resistant to being asked to change by anyone, even my
sweetheart who I do like to go out of my way to please.

> I figure, if you really care, it's your body and your call.  If you
> don't care that much, why not really?

Yep.
shinypenny - 26 Jul 2007 14:30 GMT
> Actually, that's a good example of where I would definitely dig in my heels.
> My husband has never asked me to change my hair length or choose a
> particular style although he will comment favourably on both occasionally.
> (He also doesn't notice when I get a haircut all that often so maybe we
> won't talk about that...!)

I've been wanting to go short for awhile now. I had a particular style
in mind. I was just getting tired of blow drying it all out to get it
to behave, nearly always just ending up putting it back in a no-fuss
ponytail to get it out of the way, etc. DH was resistant to the idea -
I think when he heard "short" he heard "mannish." He'd seen photos of
me years ago when I had babies and had chopped it ultra-short, pixy
length, and let it go my natural, yucky nondescript unflattering
color. That's not what I had in mind though!

At the beginning of the summer, I had it lopped off despite his pleas.
Now it's very short in the back but with longer layers on top, just
long enough to part on the side and tuck behind the ears.

I thought he was going to freak.... turns out he LOVES it!! Go figure.
He says I look sassy. :-)

jen
Bill in Co. - 26 Jul 2007 19:04 GMT
>> Actually, that's a good example of where I would definitely dig in my heels.
>> My husband has never asked me to change my hair length or choose a
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> ponytail to get it out of the way, etc. DH was resistant to the idea -
> I think when he heard "short" he heard "mannish."

LOL, this reminds me of when my ex said in no uncertain terms that I could
not buy and wear one of those smaller watches, because it was too girlish
(even though I thought some of them were quite cute)
GGGNH - 26 Jul 2007 21:25 GMT
> > Actually, that's a good example of where I would definitely dig in my heels.
> > My husband has never asked me to change my hair length or choose a
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> I thought he was going to freak.... turns out he LOVES it!! Go figure.
> He says I look sassy. :-)

I went super short when some told me that I'd look really sexy if I
shaved the 6 hairs on the top of my head off, as well as my halo. They
were right or at least they still think it looks sexy. :-)

Funny, when I look at some of the family photos I have from even 10
years ago, I ask myself, "Who IS that guy?".

GGG

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Vickie - 26 Jul 2007 21:53 GMT
> In article <1185456638.150973.267...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
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> Funny, when I look at some of the family photos I have from even 10
> years ago, I ask myself, "Who IS that guy?".

LOL

I've dyed my hair since my goth/punk days.  I did stick mostly to the
natural colors, not so much the pink/blue/purple/green kind of
thing.

When the kids get a photo-book out, they never know who I am.  They
are like, *Mom, what color hair did you have when you went to such and
such show?*  ---*Black, I think.*  ---*Oh, now we found you!*

Vickie
Emma Anne - 26 Jul 2007 02:55 GMT
> All I really want is for her to put a colour through her hair...its
> not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
> principle of thing i.e. why can't I accept her like she is.....

I suggest you go to marriage builders.com and read up on emotionl needs,
and in particular the need for an attractive spouse.  You are right that
this need is looked down on and considered to be shallow by many people.
But it seems like trying to pretend you don't care hasn't worked.
DrLith - 26 Jul 2007 02:55 GMT
>>> I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
>>> have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
> principle of thing i.e. why can't I accept her like she is.....

Fred, do you think you could tell your wife basically what you have told
us--that these little snips slip out and you (a) don't really want to
treat her that way; and (b) don't quite know how to put a stop to it?
Not necessarily as a way to excuse your behavior the next time it
happens, but to at least give her some insight into your POV and to
possibly come up with the best way for her to react that can help steer
you back toward healthier ways of communicating.
Bo - 26 Jul 2007 17:40 GMT
>> >I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
>> >have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> Fred

Funny, I desire the opposite. I wanted to grow old AND gray together. I
prefer my wife NOT color her hair-- but in the end, she did/does--but I
don't let it bother me and she doesn't let my almost completely gray bother
her.....

Bo
dejablues - 26 Jul 2007 19:27 GMT
> All I really want is for her to put a colour through her hair...its
> not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
> principle of thing i.e. why can't I accept her like she is.....
>
> Fred

Dying your hair is a pain in the a.s. Once you start, you have to keep it up
on a regular basis so it continues to look acceptable. The haircolor you buy
at the drug or grocery store is nowhere near as good or long-lasting as
salon hair color, always looks fake, and it absolutely ruins your hair,
making it feel like straw and requiring daily conditioning.
A good salon coloring is very expensive, and also requires regular touchups.

Your wife is smart not to get on the hair-dye roller coaster. Those gray
hairs are a symbol of her long association with you and she should be proud
of them.
Vickie - 26 Jul 2007 20:09 GMT
> > All I really want is for her to put a colour through her hair...its
> > not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> hairs are a symbol of her long association with you and she should be proud
> of them.

Oh, my Lord!  This post was about hair-color.

I really got it wrong.

Vickie
deja.blues - 26 Jul 2007 22:20 GMT
>> > All I really want is for her to put a colour through her hair...its
>> > not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Vickie

I think the hair-color is a symptom of a deeper problem, but I wanted to
give the OP an idea of haircoloring from the woman's POV.
I have no comment on his real issue other than the fact that I think he's
being a jerk.
Vickie - 26 Jul 2007 22:51 GMT
> >> "AussieGuy" <FredBasse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> I have no comment on his real issue other than the fact that I think he's
> being a jerk.

I thought it was a deeper problem also.  Especially due to the subject
in bold.  Says a lot.
Vickie
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 28 Jul 2007 01:47 GMT
> > All I really want is for her to put a colour through her hair...its
> > not like I want her to have plastic surgery...I guess its just the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> hairs are a symbol of her long association with you and she should be proud
> of them.

Heh.  Chewy and the kids want me *not* to dye my hair, for the reason
you listed - I've earned every single grey.  My problem with it is
that the greys replaced most of my red highlights, which means I've
gone from light auburn to brown with grey highlights.  :-/

Kitten
S.D. - 27 Jul 2007 00:33 GMT
> I guess its just the principle of thing i.e. why can't I accept her like she is.....

Some women want to be unconditionally accepted - even if they begin to
age, maybe ungracefully.  And, then their are those that want to look
their best regardless.   I am ten years older then my wife, and look
10-15yrs younger then my age.  If she doesn't' have her hair colored
regularly she'd be all gray.  

I do understand your concern though; who wants think he's a young studly
dude with a women that's appears worn out; is that right?  

Gezz - I hope nothing happens to you along the road - like your face
gets wrinkly - your hair all of a sudden turns all gray - that happens
you know - Oh, and how about your body abruptly aging... sounds like you
could be pretty vain, reaching unhealthy ...

Comiserating aside, you should have known prior to marrying a women
that's older then you - time was going to affect her before you... So,
maybe you need to go sit in the corner for a while and ponder your
wrongs...
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Bill in Co. - 27 Jul 2007 05:31 GMT
>> I guess its just the principle of thing i.e. why can't I accept her like she
>> is.....
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> Gezz - I hope nothing happens to you along the road - like your face
> gets wrinkly - your hair all of a sudden turns all gray -

It won't happen if you have the right picture in your closet.    Only that
will turn wrinkly and gray.
Michael A. Ball - 27 Jul 2007 16:13 GMT
>.... why can't I accept her like she is.....

Because she is not actually the one you want to change: you are. Lacking
the self disciple, you "pick on" the next easiest target. It's a form of
misplaced agression--in my humble opinion.

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just in case you have to eat them.
Bill in Co. - 27 Jul 2007 22:23 GMT
>> .... why can't I accept her like she is.....
>
> Because she is not actually the one you want to change: you are. Lacking
> the self disciple, you "pick on" the next easiest target.  It's a form of
> misplaced agression--in my humble opinion.

And projection.
Tai - 26 Jul 2007 02:21 GMT
> I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
> have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> happy until I say something that hurts her....I feel like a complete
> heel as soon as I say it.

I'm wondering if you could be dissatisfied with your wife, or your
relationship with her, in other ways and that's leading you to be picky
about her hair colour. That is, while I believe you that you'd like her to
offer up some resistance to her multiplying grey hairs, I think you should
consider whether they may represent something else you're not happy about.

Do you feel as if she is thinking and behaving as if she is feeling older
and you miss the woman she once was? Are you both a little tired and bored
with your lives and could do with injecting a bit more fun and vitality back
into yourselves and relationship?
Michael A. Ball - 27 Jul 2007 16:44 GMT
>I have a wife who I love deeply ...I know it upsets her but I still do it...its not premeditated
>- I usually just blurt it out.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>makes me angry is that I'm no oil painting and that she could say the
>same sort of things to me.....

No problem! Help you wife develop the skill of "Always consider the
source!" In no time, your remarks will become meaningless and harmless
to her--and so will remarks from other sources. So, you'll be able to
indulge in you habit of speaking before you think; and you'll be able to
ignore the real problem: your own self image.

Another idea is to buy her a nice Lady Smith, load it with rat shot
cartridges, and invite her to take a free shot every time you speak
before you think. I bet you break the habit in no time. The first
recommendation is free, and is not likely to require bandages.

You realize your own flaws, which is commendable, but getting squared
away would show your wife what it means to you--and it would benefit
you, too. Don't you think a sexier Fred would motivate her? I don't know
why she is opposed to coloring her hair, but you need to find out
exactly why. Maybe she enjoys making you suffer [which she might have
learned from you]. Maybe she once had a bad hair-(color)-day! Maybe she
is terrified of growing old, which is too often signaled by the need (in
our society) for hair coloring. Just talk with her! Learn about her!

Do you blurt out painful things to your friends? And isn't your wife
your friend? Would you hit your wife in the face with your fist? Well,
that's what your thoughtless words feel like. I strongly urge you to
begin disciplining your self. Repair your own flaws and learn to never
speak before you think.

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Whatever it takes.
Mia - 27 Jul 2007 22:47 GMT
You claim you love your wife of 16 years deeply, yet you "feel a need
to pick on her". Later you say you just blurt these things out.
Really, is it a NEED you can't control or is it an urge? Do you have a
self-control issue? Perhaps the reason why you do it is because you
don't feel good about yourself and feel better when you criticize your
spouse? Ask yourself what you get out of deliberately hurting your
wife...

I've been married for 15 years, and yes, both my husband and I have
less hair, more flab and all that. However, I love looking at his
silvery chest hair and growing love handles because they remind me
that as we're getting older, we're also getting closer, sharing a
special bond that goes way beyond one's appearance. I'm so proud of
him and respect him as my husband, friend, my children's father. It
feels good to know that no matter what, he's going to be there for me
- and I for him.

What happened to 'for better, for worse'; you want the better part
only?

By the way, if this were about hair color only, I'm sure you would
have asked, "How can I help my wife to see that dying her hair can
make her look even more wonderful?" I'm beginning to think you just
might not have a way with words...
michaela - 29 Jul 2007 22:14 GMT
> I have a wife who I love deeply - we've been married for 16 years and
> have 2 lovely kids.   My wife is older than me and starting to exhibit
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Fred

I think that when we are doing this kind of thing it is a
projection as others have said, and it is at the same
time a kind of 'test' - you want to check if your wife
feels she 'deserves' your 'love'.

Her response to your criticism helps to make up your
mind -- until the next time you feel the urge. What you
are trying to determine when you make these comments
is where her approval comes from i.e. herself or from
you.

This kind of compulsion is difficult to deny oneself.
It's almost as if we want to hurt the other person but
as soon as the words are out we want to bite them
back.

If you have... how do I phrase this?... a -- let me tell
you how I handle this kind of thing. I ask spirit (that's
the only word I have) to help me get through the
moment and help me to see the situation differently.
And if it comes back I try to remember to ask again.
And again and again.

If I ask for long enough (I guess what I'm trying to say
is if I really want help in getting through it) something
happens to help me see the situation differently.

But this is just my humble opinion.

- Michaela
 
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