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Deep Resentment???

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theaspwebcoder@gmail.com - 29 Dec 2007 07:06 GMT
Hi All,

Wonder if anyone has ideas on how to overcome deep resentment toward
my wife?

You see, she decided to have a second child but as soon as she became
pregnant my life went to hell.  She started screaming at our one-year-
old at all hours which led to me having serious sleep deprivation.
She isn't very clean (leaves food on plates in the sink and counters)
but after becoming pregnant our wonderful home which I worked very
hard for became a dump, absolutely filthy.  She then demanded a new
car and a trip to Europe to see family (she is from Italy).

Over the last six months of the pregnancy she did everything possible
to drive me insane - I begged and pleaded, I got mad and smashed
stuff... but she didn't care!!!  Or at least it seemed like it.  No
matter what I did the screaming, filth, crappy food and demands
carried on.

It got so bad - the lack of sleep, the filth, the poor diet - I
started having panic attacks.  I lost about 20 lbs.  I look like I
have aged 20 years.  The job I had at the time was also stressful and
I just failed to function...  I completely lost it.

For those who haven't read about or had panic attacks, I cannot under
state the devastating effect.  I'm only 40 an felt like I was dying,
like a large strap was constricting around my chest.  I have worked
for police departments and have been shot at and NEVER had panic
attacks, but six months of screaming, sleep deprivation, crappy canned
food and a filthy house... and I snapped!  It was literally torcher.

Her behavior led to the sale of a house I loved very much - I couldn't
continue on at work.

After the sale of the house, the reality of it hit her.  We had 1/2 an
acre in Arizona.  We moved to Utah (I hoped all the moms/kids here
would help).  But now I really resent it and her.  I hate the cold.  I
hate the snow.   I loved Arizona.  I feel like I've been ripped off.

She now quit screaming at the first born and I can sleep again.

I'm going to lose teeth because of that time in my life - I started
grinding me teeth at all hours, and I never smile any more.  I think
part of it may be my fault.  For some reason folks in my life have
taken advantage of me - family borrowing money, etc.  I'm slow to
react but harsh and slow to forgive when the anger finally comes.  I
think I'm generally too trusting and nice to folks I know, especially
family.

Whatever the case, I haven't picked up my second son more than a dozen
times since his birth six months ago, and I can barely stand to be in
the same room with my wife.  I don't say much but think she is slowing
getting the point.  I can't believe her desire to have another kid
made her so blind, so willing to toss off her duties and so willing to
ruin a household.  But I've only figured it out in retrospect, and it
seems my anger and disillusionment over the situation is only growing.

Thanks for any advice...
Vickie - 29 Dec 2007 08:25 GMT
On Dec 28, 11:06 pm, theaspwebco...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
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>
> Thanks for any advice...

Have you gotten any help from a p-doc?  You should talk to someone.
I've struggled with panic since I was 13 and I do know the utter
terror you feel.
You need help, someone to point you in the right direction; whether
meds is needed and/or CBT.

I don't know why your wife lost it so badly, I hope you don't blame
yourself or figure it to be anything you did.  You are going to have
to put yourself first for awhile, otherwise you will be no help to
anyone.  I know that sounds tough with the kids and all, but you need
to.

While looking for a good therapist, try and take one day at a time, or
one moment at a time if you need to.  When you feel panic or anger
approaching put the kids in a stroller and go walk, or go by yourself
if need be.  Walking helps with panic.

Write a plan.  It can be daily or monthly, anything.  It will help you
feel more in control.  Write the things you want to accomplish, like
chores, something you can do for your newborn, an hour to spend with
the older child.  You can write bigger things also, like career goal
or when you will move back to AZ.  When panic hits me hard, I write
more than one list a day.  Maybe this can help you too.

I think once you can get yourself back into a more healthy area, you
can then work on the resentment you feel toward your wife.  That is
going to be difficult and probably is something you can work out with
a therapist also. You have to be able to talk with her, to tell her
how you feel and let her know how angry you are about what
transpired.  Time may be the only way for the resentment to fade.
Give yourself time.

I wish you best, steady on,
Vickie
zorra - 29 Dec 2007 15:32 GMT
> Hi All,
>
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>
> Thanks for any advice...

Several things about your post bothered me:

First, you said *she* decided to have a second child.  Do you mean that she
decided it unilaterally against your express wishes?  If so, you have a huge
problem here.  How will you ever trust her to be your partner if she ignores
your wishes completely?

However, then you go on to describe a major personality change during the
pregnancy.  Women's bodies go through all kinds of changes during pregnancy, and
it's different not only from woman to woman, but from pregnancy to pregnancy as
well.  It sounds like for whatever reason, her second pregnancy was Hell on her.
And it bothers me that when she started screaming at your one year old at all
hours, your only reaction was to get upset about the sleep you were losing.

If she really entered this pregnancy without your consent, then I can understand
not having much of a desire to help her out during it, but I don't understand
not helping out your older child.  And by not trying to help her out, you only
hurt your child and yourself in the long run.

Now she's had the second child, and has stopped screaming at the older one.
Good.  So it's time to take stock and see how you can improve the situation.

First:  You would likely benefit from some counseling.  I'm not going to address
the panic attack stuff because I don't know much about it.  But you and your
wife could use some counseling to resolve the issues that came to light when she
decided to get pregnant.  You need to let go of the resentment, and she needs to
understand that she cannot ignore your needs.

Second:  It's not too late to bond with your second child.  You recognize that
you are holding the resentment you feel against her against him as well.  You
don't feel much of a desire to hold him, okay.  But knowing that, you need to
make a special effort to do it.  Take over the bath or bedtime routine.  And/or
make a point once a week or so to take both kids out alone to spend time with
them.  I'm betting that just spending the time with him will allow the bond to
grow.  If it doesn't, then you will have to address that in counseling as well.
But this is your child, you cannot afford to ignore this problem.

Finally, about the move....It sounds like the move to Utah was somewhat
sudden -- a pretty extreme reaction to a temporary situation.  I'm sorry you are
unhappy, but I don't think that an equally reactive move back to Arizona would
be a good idea.  Take some time to figure the rest of this stuff out, and then
hopefully the two of you can discuss together what is best for your family.

Good luck.

Zorra
theaspwebcoder@gmail.com - 30 Dec 2007 10:00 GMT
> First, you said *she* decided to have a second child.  Do you mean that she
> decided it unilaterally against your express wishes?

YES - I do mean that!  I did not explicitly come out and say "NO MORE
KIDS", but any reasonable and prudent person would have gotten the
hint.  The first child came six weeks early;  my wife was in the ICU
for two weeks and the baby was in the NICU for three.  She had
absolutely no business not explicitly stating her desire to have
another child and allowing a plan for it.

>  It sounds like for whatever reason, her second pregnancy was Hell on her.

Yeah... and she shared it.

> And it bothers me that when she started screaming at your one year old at all
> hours, your only reaction was to get upset about the sleep you were losing.

Nah, the 1st kid wakes up every two hours - has since birth.  The
screaming was short - about 30 seconds, typically a scolding like
"[son's name] lay down!" - but enough to continually wake me up very
startled.  It was like getting woken up to electric shock randomly
throughout the night.  My wife doesn't/hasn't worked.  I do!

> I'm not going to address the panic attack stuff because I don't know much about it.

As I mentioned earlier, a panic attack is the most terrifying
experience I've ever had.  I've raced supercross (motobikes), I've
been in bare knuckle fights with street thugs, I've been shot at...
AND NOTHING, and I do mean nothing comes close to the devastating
impact as a panic attack.  You can read about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attack

In my case, prolonged sleep deprivation coupled with routine startling
awakenings and depression from filthy living conditions was enough to
do it.  There was absolutely no need for it!

All in all the tone of your reply was enough.  I've pretty well
figured Babylon America was a placed ruled by women, and is a deeply
effeminate culture.  A woman can forgo work, her duties, scream, live
filthy and drive a healthy man insane... and the reply to the man is
"get counseling"???  Bwahahaha!!!  I thought I was crazy!  Yah, but
I'm not stupid.
fndoomed@gmail.com - 30 Dec 2007 12:03 GMT
On Dec 30, 5:00 am, theaspwebco...@gmail.com wrote:
> > First, you said *she* decided to have a second child.  Do you mean that she
> > decided it unilaterally against your express wishes?
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> "get counseling"???  Bwahahaha!!!  I thought I was crazy!  Yah, but
> I'm not stupid.

Back in the day I would have given you some tone as well.  The tone of
your post says "troll" or "flame bait" or "childish".  How the heck
does
a woman caring for a baby and being pregnant give you sleep
deprivation ?
She had to be exhausted all on her own.

How did she decide to have a baby all on her own ?  Did she lie to you
about
her being on birth control ?  Did she become pregnant from another
man ?

Her behavior led to the sale of your home ?  Was she responsible for
the
mortgage payments and failed to make them ?  Unless you put your house
up for a fire sale, it probably took months to hire the realtor,
market, show,
sell and close the deal.  I'd figure at some point you would ask: Is
this
something I want to do ?  It's pretty hard to sell a house
spontaneously.

Filthy house ?  What's the matter ?  Is your arm broken ?  Crappy
food ?  Why
don't you cook something you like once in a while ?

I know a little something about Utah.  Are you or her LDS ?  Cold and
snow ?
Who picked the town you live in ?

Sheesh... I must really be bored this morning.
zorra - 30 Dec 2007 15:07 GMT
> All in all the tone of your reply was enough.  I've pretty well
> figured Babylon America was a placed ruled by women, and is a deeply
> effeminate culture.  A woman can forgo work, her duties, scream, live
> filthy and drive a healthy man insane... and the reply to the man is
> "get counseling"???  Bwahahaha!!!  I thought I was crazy!  Yah, but
> I'm not stupid.

You have two very young children.   You have not wanted to divorce their mother.
I suggested that you get marital counseling to help heal the marriage, and that
you learn to bond with your younger child.  I really don't see what I said to
cause such anger.

Zorra
 
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