>>> Recent comments about divorce rates sent me looking.
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> Isn't the consensus that, more often than not, the women may have
> initiated it, but the men often precipitated it?
> To Doug: The histogram has two colored bars, one for husband-initiated and
> one for wife-initiated divorces.
No it doesn't. It has a histogram of who *experienced*
divorce by age. It includes an explanation "a difference that
reflects the fact that women tend to marry at a younger age
than men". The difference is a reflection that men and
women don't always marry spouses the same age, not who
initiated the paperwork.
> If you are asking "who initiated the
> separation?", no, it doesn't give that.
Interesting difference - separation vs divorce. But in a way
that distinction does not matter. For either divorce or
separation, the anti-women brigade insist that it is women
who predominantly make that choice. Decide to separate
or decide to divorce. The PDF file does not mention either.
> The divorce application has a
> place for who decided that the marriage was over, but that isn't the same
> thing.
Okay. If one spouse separated, the other might file
because of abandonment. That doesn't really work in
no-fault terms because abandonment is a fault based
divorce cause ...
Where the anti brigade misses is who's actions really
started it all. If the husbands a utter jerk the way so many
antis seem, who would blame the wife for moving out once
she realized the initial nice guy was a short term act?
> You are probably right about pent-up demand. The fault concept involves
> name-calling and hurtful behaviour in Court that ruins all hope of future
> co-operation. Women in particular hated it,
Your statement does go with the anti brigade's lament
in that case. Before when fault was needed women did
not have the option of simply giving up for no reason
that would have held up in court. Now they do. Lacking
good stats who's to say how often men also take that
option? The cliche dead beat dad comes from such
abandonment.
> .... They
> were talking about bringing more fault back into property, but not into the
> divorce itself.
That's an interesting concept. If all you really did was
walk out, why get assigned any money? If you really
got adandoned why should the deserter keep the money?
Check.
> The theme is to maintain the respect of both parties for
> each other, and to see beyond any knee-jerk reaction. I agree that some
> men and women are either hopeless or plain damaging, and don't deserve
> that, but they are the minority.
And yet kids are fought over in court. Everyone with a heart
hates that fact.
> Doug, I am a firm believer in the concept that what you perceive isn't
> necessarily true in the abstract, although it is true for you.
Not just there are two sides to any story, his and hers,
but there are at least 3. His, hers, what really happened
if you has a video camera going the whole time. Plus the
viewpoint of the neighbor who heard shouting through the
walls and the other neighbor who only saw civility while the
family was out in the back yard, and on and on. But we
all think our story is the story ...
Bill in Co - 27 Jun 2008 22:01 GMT
>> To Doug: The histogram has two colored bars, one for husband-initiated
>> and
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> family was out in the back yard, and on and on. But we
> all think our story is the story ...
I don't. I've come to realize that none of us ever has the real complete
story - the Whole Truth (assuming there even is such a thing), since all we
can ever do is filter it through our own *PERCEPTIONS*.