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Family Forum / Parenting / Mothers / April 2008Prejudice
DD was pressured again by her L.A. teacher to change the answer to a question for having an inapropriate opinion. The question was: In your opinion can prejudice be eliminated and how can it be eliminated. Her answer Prejudice cannot be eliminated. It is human nature. The biggest drive in any living being is that of self preservation. As such one has to give oneself the right to do anything to survive - that is a law of nature. Humans form groups to enhance there chances of survival. Those groups inhert the drive to self preservation. It becomse the self preservation of the group which is necessary to protect its members. With that the group has to consider itself superior to other groups and see itself if necessary in the right to do anything necessary against other individuals or other groups to ensure its own survival. That means prejudice and therefore prejudice is a part of human nature like love, hate, and the need to breathe, eat and reproduce. dp17@hush.ai schrieb: > DD was pressured again by her L.A. teacher to change the answer to a > question for having an inapropriate opinion. The question was: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > That means prejudice and therefore prejudice is a part of human nature > like love, hate, and the need to breathe, eat and reproduce. *clap* *clap* What an astonishing answer from a girl her age! She shouldn't have to change her answer, maybe only extend it for ideas of how to incorporate this trait of human nature in todays societies, who value non-discrimination very highly, or try to do so. Gruß, Sema, very impressed > d...@hush.ai schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Surprised me a little too. But part of it is just her applying what I have taught her. She has always been fascinated why people do the things the do. And I a few years have explained to her that everything is driven by a need. The need to survive, the need for nurture, food, air. And also when people form groups that the groups inherit the properties of its members. And that someone only can be a member of the group if (s)he does not have oposing properties or believes to the group. so for example one will hardly find a strong pro choice beliver in a pro life group. So groups not only inherit the properties of its members but also amplify them and help the members protect those properties and believes. Well about 2 years after that conversation I got the above. Shows that sometimes she listens and applies what was said. Teacher was pushing the idea that prejudice can be eliminated through legislation and education. Hence the clash of opinions. She always was using her brain. I have posted stories about her in past years and I might repeat some of the more memorable ones. dp17@hush.ai schrieb: > Teacher was pushing the idea that prejudice can be eliminated through > legislation and education. Hence the clash of opinions. Which your DD could have avoided or at least softenend by adding a bit about legislation as a means to keep prejudices in check. I also believe you can't wipe out prejudices simply by telling people not to indulge in them, you can eradicate some of them by educating people, yes, but in place of the ones you pushed out the door you will always find some others coming in through the back door. > She always was using her brain. I have posted stories about her in > past years and I might repeat some of the more memorable ones. Yes, I remember, I always followed your stories about your daughter with interest. You probably remember me as Diana, I changed to this nick and email adress a while ago. Gruß, Sema > d...@hush.ai schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Which your DD could have avoided or at least softenend by adding a bit > about legislation as a means to keep prejudices in check. Well she has the opportunity to learn that this and I have been pointing out similar things to her. Being enthusiastic as she is it is sometimes difficult for her to remember to apply a little bit of diplomacy. I also believe > you can't wipe out prejudices simply by telling people not to indulge in > them, you can eradicate some of them by educating people, yes, but in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Gruß, > Sema On Apr 5, 4:28 am, d...@hush.ai wrote: > > d...@hush.ai schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Teacher was pushing the idea that prejudice can be eliminated through > legislation and education. Hence the clash of opinions. That teacher is whacked. Education maybe, but you can't make laws to make people not be prejudice. Does the teacher want the children to think or does she just want to mold their minds into her way of thinking? > She always was using her brain. I have posted stories about her in > past years and I might repeat some of the more memorable ones.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - On Apr 5, 5:57 am, "Tin@ (Sarah's Auntie)" <tinas49...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 4:28 am, d...@hush.ai wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > think or does she just want to mold their minds into her way of > thinking? The latter. As pointed out in another post she feels that DD needs to learn to obey and follow directions without questioning and critique. And regarding laws .... Look around and you will find plenty of attempts to legislate prejudice, racism, morality. Political correctness comes to mind etc. Maybe that teacher is just a reflection of the time. In 7 years of scool (including Kindergarten) we had 3 like that in L/A or as main teacher - about half. So maybe this is what this world of ours has become to be. And maybe it has always been that way. Because I myself too remember teachers of her kind. "Tin@ (Sarah's Auntie)" <tinas49ers@yahoo.com> wrote in news:568dfd3c-23d6-4700-a79c-9f9334e21f3e@j1g2000prb.googlegro ups.com: > That teacher is whacked. Education maybe, but you can't > make laws to make people not be prejudice. Does the teacher > want the children to think or does she just want to mold > their minds into her way of thinking? aren't you my age Tin@ (50s)? when we were in school, kids were expected to think, at least a little. now, kids are to memorize & test. thinking is highly frowned upon. individuality is evil. lee  SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. > "Tin@ (Sarah's Auntie)" <tinas49...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:568dfd3c-23d6-4700-a79c-9f9334e21f3e@j1g2000prb.googlegro > ups.com: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > aren't you my age Tin@ (50s)? Not quite that age, I'll be 45 in June. I recall be able to express my views freely without being supressed and I went to a very racially mixed school. >when we were in school, kids > were expected to think, at least a little. now, kids are to > memorize & test. thinking is highly frowned upon. > individuality is evil. > lee Seems to me kids are just taught to pass the tests they have to to graduate, so that the schools look good, it's very sad. > -- > Last night while sitting in my chair > I pinged a host that wasn't there > It wasn't there again today > The host resolved to NSA. > "Tin@ (Sarah's Auntie)" <tinas49ers@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:568dfd3c-23d6-4700-a79c-9f9334e21f3e@j1g2000prb.googlegro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > memorize & test. thinking is highly frowned upon. > individuality is evil. Oh, I wouldn't make *that* sweeping a generalization. The "good old days" weren't all about questioning authority and marching to the beat of your own drum. There's a lot of variation from teacher to teacher, but I think *in general* there's more tolerance for individuality, but less tolerance for things that some perceive as likely to cause offense (creating a bad situation for individuals whose opinions may be controversial in some eyes). There may have been some brief, shining moments when independent and critical thinking were truly welcome in elementary or middle school, but I doubt it was long lived in many places at all. Best wishes, Ericka >That teacher is whacked. Education maybe, but you can't make laws to >make people not be prejudice. Does the teacher want the children to >think or does she just want to mold their minds into her way of >thinking? I agree with you. You cannot legislate feelings. SignatureDorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits >DD was pressured again by her L.A. teacher to change the answer to a >question for having an inapropriate opinion. The question was: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >That means prejudice and therefore prejudice is a part of human nature >like love, hate, and the need to breathe, eat and reproduce. While I disagree with her answer (because I believe that the human race is beginning to become one *large* group rather than smaller groups based on physical characteristics), I think her teacher needs to grade based on her skills rather than on her opinion. Was this supposed to be a persuasive essay where she is trying to convince others of her viewpoint or was this just an exercise in writing to be judged on how well she writes? SignatureDorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits > >DD was pressured again by her L.A. teacher to change the answer to a > >question for having an inapropriate opinion. The question was: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It was one of 10 questions on a test to be answered with a sentence or 2. DD usually gets a little longer (wonder where she got that from) >It was one of 10 questions on a test to be answered with a sentence or >2. DD usually gets a little longer (wonder where she got that from) heh! SignatureDorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits > >DD was pressured again by her L.A. teacher to change the answer to a > >question for having an inapropriate opinion. The question was: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > groups based on physical characteristics), I think her teacher needs > to grade based on her skills rather than on her opinion. Only if we get attacked from space by aliens and need to bond together to face a common enemy. Otherwise I strongly doubt that. Prejudice is not just about race. It can be against any group and even within the same country you have enough quite willing to bash in heads over certain issues. Pro choice, pro life. Muslims, Christians, Jews, Soccer fans in Europe,rich, poor, homo sexuals, hetro sexuals, whatever sexuals, ignorants ... well the list could go on and on. Guess we will always find some heads to bash in. After all there cant be love without hate nor good without evil. As long as the language and thinking supports concepts like good better and best there will be certain people who will fall into those categories based on ones individual reality. > Was this supposed to be a persuasive essay where she is trying to > convince others of her viewpoint or was this just an exercise in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > DD was pressured again by her L.A. teacher to change the answer to a > question for having an inapropriate opinion. The question was: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > That means prejudice and therefore prejudice is a part of human nature > like love, hate, and the need to breathe, eat and reproduce. I don't agree with your daughter's opinion, but I support her right to express it. She is very Darwinian (and quite Republican, too) in her "survival of the fittest" explanation. While I don't say that prejudice can be eliminated completely (it will rise up whenever someone feels threatened and helpless) I do believe that there are enough resources/opportunities to go around and no one deserves more than a fair share. Much better than "survival of the fittest" is the attitude "live and let live" and even "I am my brother's keeper." gloria p > d...@hush.ai wrote: > > DD was pressured again by her L.A. teacher to change the answer to a [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Don't know if she is pushing the survival of the fitest thing. She did stress that part of the human survival strategy is to form groups. To form a goup you got to be "your brothers keeper". Problem is - and I agree with her on that, that there always will be different groups. Not necessarily based on race, but sometimes based on profession, economics, religion, education etc. >Problem is - and I >agree with her on that, that there always will be different groups. >Not necessarily based on race, but sometimes based on profession, >economics, religion, education etc. While I agree that there will always be groups that doesn't mean that the group has to consider itself *better* than other groups. Groups based on professions have their own jargon, but that doesn't mean that they want to exclude others just that they are interested in talking about their work. You should know that being a computer nerd. Some people will always try to make themselves the *elite,* but on the whole, the world is more and more interconnected and interdependent, so that doesn't work so well anymore. Unless you can survive in the wilderness entirely on your own, you are dependent on many people to survive and some of those people will NOT be part of your tribal group. SignatureDorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits > >Problem is - and I > >agree with her on that, that there always will be different groups. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > survive and some of those people will NOT be part of your tribal > group. Can only work as long as there is prosperity for all as soon as a considerable portion of the population leaves in poverty, as soon as resources become scarce - the drive of self preservation will kick in and violence will erupt. No matter how big or small the group. Unfortunatly - in times of oppulence populations grow - and sooner or later they reach the ceilling and then resources become tight and violence starts. Look around who are the gangs in the world? Mostly the poor and disenchanted. When needs are not met (both physical and emotional) groups will form that promise to meet those needs and those groups will consider themselves better than the rest. Gangs, Cults, whatever. And you will get conflict. Communism does not work. Because the human animal is competitive. Whats yours is mine and what mine is none of your business - thats why communism failed. > -- > Dorothy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The Outer Limits |
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