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Mother In Law Problems-BIG TIME

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Sally - 29 Jun 2008 17:07 GMT
My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it happen....
She is dominant over our son and he lets it happen....She reminds me she has
GRANDMOTHERS rights and that she can take him whenever she wants...She looked
at me in the eyes and said to me "hunny he would choose me over you ANY day"
we moved away and now were moving back I dont know what to do....shes already
botten 35 outfits for my son already....I dont want him to be spoiled and I
dont want him to have a nan who gives more than his parents do....what do I
do....What do I say, she is very intimidating
enigma - 29 Jun 2008 22:00 GMT
> My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he
> lets it happen.... She is dominant over our son and he lets
> it happen....She reminds me she has GRANDMOTHERS rights and
> that she can take him whenever she wants...

um, there is no such thing as "grandmothers rights" and she
can't take him anywhere without his parent's approval.
how old is your son? how does she "dominate" him?

i'd say tell your husband to grow a spine & side with you as
well... but you should have seen the signs of Momma's Boy
*before* you got married.

> She looked at me
> in the eyes and said to me "hunny he would choose me over
> you ANY day" we moved away and now were moving back I dont
> know what to do....shes already botten 35 outfits for my
> son already....

bought. no such word as botten. 35 outfits since when? his
birth or last week? does she realize boys don't give a rat's
a.s about clothes?
you don't have to make your son wear them if you don't like.
resell them or give them away if she won't take them back.
and since your son is *your* son, he doesn't get to choose
her over you. that's a stupid comment & not worth even
considering.

> I dont want him to be spoiled and I dont
> want him to have a nan who gives more than his parents
> do....what do I do....What do I say, she is very
> intimidating

it's no big deal if his Nana gives him more than his parents,
as long as it's within reason. it's not uncommon for
grandparents to be a bit better off than their kids who are
just starting out with a family. however, as his parents, you
are allowed to sit Nana down & give her guidelines, like gifts
only for birthday & holidays. any kid over 5 or 6 knows when a
grownup is trying to buy love anyway (although they'll likely
milk it). and you don't have to keep all the gifts she gives.

lee
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tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 01:19 GMT
>> My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he
>> lets it happen.... She is dominant over our son and he lets
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>
>lee

Sorry about the spelling, I am horrible at it :) but my son is only 16 months
old, she has bought him a  bike a swimming pool and yes she has bought him
these clothes over the past week since I told her we were coming home. Im
moving home because I am all the way across the country and it is hard when
you live in a town that has only 400 people...plus I do not want to raise my
child in a place where drugs are what keeps you happy. My husband DOES need
to grow a spine but so do I...I let this go on long enough and Im sick and
tiered of it.
enigma - 30 Jun 2008 02:26 GMT
> Sorry about the spelling, I am horrible at it :) but my son
> is only 16 months old, she has bought him a  bike a
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> to grow a spine but so do I...I let this go on long enough
> and Im sick and tiered of it.

ok, lots of people don't spell very well, but if you reread
what you write, you may catch your errors.
anyway, on moving back... do you have to move back to the
same town, or would just being somewhat close work out for
you?
also, since you have been away & are coming back, now would
be an ideal time to set the new ground rules for Nana. since
you are sick & tired of your mother in law running your
family, you need to sit down with hubby before you move back
and set some rules you both can stick with. since neither one
of you has a spine you really need to support each other when
she's around. but the important thing is *both of you* have to
agree on what is acceptable & what is not.
a 16 month old does not need either a swimming pool (unless
it's a little inflatable cheapie pool) or a bicycle. ask her
to return those items & get the poor kid something age
appropriate. it's not doing him any favors giving him things
he can't use. seriously, where is Nana's brain when she buys
this stuff? tell her that gifts are only allowed on birthdays
& holidays (pick one or two holidays, not everything that can
possibly be taken as one. no gifts for Armistace day, or Labor
Day, for example). limit gifts on those occaisions to no more
than 2, or set a dollar amount. if she gives gifts on non-gift
days, refuse it. if she won't take it back, donate it (really
make sure your husband is going to go along with this before
you do it. it could cause a huge rift otherwise), or donate an
older toy/outfit for every new one she gives him. your son is
at an age where you can easily impress on him the value of
charity & donating excess clothing or toys (i've had to do
this. having an only child can be a little tricky when he's
also the only grandchild, & nephew). the other advantage of
old out when new comes in is that if you don't, you *will* be
buried in clutter in very short order (and i bet she then
starts in on your housekeeping...)
BTW, i live in a smallish town, & it *is* hard because there
are no kids within miles for my kid to play with, but my town
isn't all drugs & stuff either.

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Banty - 30 Jun 2008 15:56 GMT
>> Sorry about the spelling, I am horrible at it :) but my son
>> is only 16 months old, she has bought him a  bike a
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>same town, or would just being somewhat close work out for
>you?

I think I'll address that in a different post, but it seems a range of options
(like, the whole world except for two places) are being elimated for
consideration.

> also, since you have been away & are coming back, now would
>be an ideal time to set the new ground rules for Nana. since
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>buried in clutter in very short order (and i bet she then
>starts in on your housekeeping...)

Naw - dont fight the battle of what she should give.  We didnt get those
make-people-do-what-we-want wands anyway (maybe there was a huge recall when
they were found to be non-operational   :-)   Just receive the stuff gracefully
then decide what to do  - - so..

just either store stuff away that isn't age appropriate yet, or let the kid
choose something and give the rest away to charity.  There is no obligation to
keep, use, display, etc. etc., gifts one is given if it's done discreetly.  She
doesn't have a make-people-do-what-we-want wand either, so doing what one can
control is the right tack to take.

Banty
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 18:25 GMT
>>> Sorry about the spelling, I am horrible at it :) but my son
>>> is only 16 months old, she has bought him a  bike a
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>
>Banty

I agree that this would be the best way to get around it...shoving it back in
her face would just mean disaster between both her and my husband. I don't
believe in being rude about it but I think that giving it to charity and
seeing a smile on another childs face is just as good as seeing one on my own.
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 18:27 GMT
>> Sorry about the spelling, I am horrible at it :) but my son
>> is only 16 months old, she has bought him a  bike a
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>
>lee

You know...I dont believe you have any right in saying I have no backbone...I
just don't flip out and sputter at every person who I have a problem with in
my life. Yes I asked for advice and I am getting it from different points of
view. If I did not have a backbone I would not be moving back home. Thanks
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 18:27 GMT
>>> Sorry about the spelling, I am horrible at it :) but my son
>>> is only 16 months old, she has bought him a  bike a
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>my life. Yes I asked for advice and I am getting it from different points of
>view. If I did not have a backbone I would not be moving back home. Thanks

To enigma sorry
enigma - 30 Jun 2008 19:39 GMT
>>>> Sorry about the spelling, I am horrible at it :) but my
>>>> son is only 16 months old, she has bought him a  bike a
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>
> To enigma sorry

don't worry about it :)
but really work on getting your husband to back you up when
you put your foot down. your son is *yours*, not hers.
while grandmas do like to "spoil" their grandkids, they
needn't be allowed to have free rein. i know it's hard.
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Banty - 30 Jun 2008 00:13 GMT
>My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it happen....
>She is dominant over our son and he lets it happen....She reminds me she has
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>dont want him to have a nan who gives more than his parents do....what do I
>do....What do I say, she is very intimidating

Why are you moving back?  Seems one thing that would help your situation is
distance.

Banty
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 01:20 GMT
>>My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it happen....
>>She is dominant over our son and he lets it happen....She reminds me she has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Banty

I am moving back because I miss my home and living in a town with a
population of 400 does not help...and raising my child here in a place that
relies on drugs for happiness does not phaze me much !!! The distance does
help but I just need to stand up to her and tell her what I think !!!
xkatx - 30 Jun 2008 03:35 GMT
>>>My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it
>>>happen....
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> relies on drugs for happiness does not phaze me much !!! The distance does
> help but I just need to stand up to her and tell her what I think !!!

Then why don't you?  I have no idea where you're located, but I also know
there's no such thing as "grandparents' rights".  Grandparents here have no
"rights" and no, a grandparent cannot just take a grandchild whenever,
wherever.  They especially have no rights over a parents' - I've even heard
of grandparents trying to get custody of a child after a single parent has
passed away.  The other parent never showed face until the other died - then
the grandparents of the single parent tried hard to get custody of the child
and lost to the other parent that was never even in the child's life - and
this child was old enough to know who was and wasn't in their life.

N is a real mama's boy, although he won't admit it or ever see it.  I also
know he follows.  Basically, someone will say jump, and if he's out to try
and impress that person, he'll jump, but only after asking how high.  *I*
have set the ground rules as far as how HIS side of the family goes.  DD1's
first Christmas - she was not quite 5 months old at the time - BIL gave all
the children a $20 bill instead of an actual gift.  Every child, that is,
except DS.  He offered $20 for DD1, but left DS out, so I told him to keep
his money, he's not giving one child something and not the other, and the
other being the one that was nearly 5 and old enough to know the difference
and care.
*I've* been the one to put my foot down with MIL.  She went out and got some
car seat with the idea that she was going to take DD1 on her school bus in
the morning because she could (this is the bus rules, you can take a child
in a proper seat on a school bus run, and DS was in school at this time) and
I simply told her no.  No debating.
MIL told me to stop nursing DD1 (basically right from the start) so she
could keep the kids and give DD1 a bottle.  I told her no, for so many
reasons, but the one I made as the biggest reason was that one reason I
choose to breastfeed my children is it's free and we really can't afford
formula (to which she replied give the baby homo milk and brown sugar)  I
said no and end of discussion.
I've also had to be the one to tell MIL she is not to discipline my
children.  She's not to send them to a corner, spank them, yell at them,
nothing.  These are *my* children, not hers, and if she wants to tell me how
to deal with or raise my children, she can go and have some more of her own.
I've also told N that I will not take any garbage with MIL.  He knows our
parenting style, and it's something we agree on.  I have outwardly told him
that either he will say something to his mother or I will.  And I do, and he
knows I will.  He also will stand behind me 100% if I say something
regarding the kids - and this goes for both his side AND my side.  We've
made that clear and there's no discussion on that.
This is YOUR child, not your MIL's.  You set the rules, and if you don't,
that's just asking for trouble.  Start the rules now or soon it will be too
late.
JennP. - 30 Jun 2008 14:09 GMT
<top-posting to keep the post>

Standing up to a bully of a MIL can be very, very difficult. Xkatx,
you have given some very good examples of very difficult situations
where you put your foot down. I think the OP should read your post
carefully to see that it CAN be done. Thankfully, you have your dh on
your side now, but am I remembering correctly that he didn't always in
the past? If I'm misremembering, I apologize.  Iif not, maybe you
could share with the OP what you did to get his  support?

JennP.

>Then why don't you?  I have no idea where you're located, but I also know
>there's no such thing as "grandparents' rights".  Grandparents here have no
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>that's just asking for trouble.  Start the rules now or soon it will be too
>late.
xkatx - 01 Jul 2008 15:13 GMT
> <top-posting to keep the post>
>
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>
> JennP.

You are remembering correct.  His mother used to just walk all over him, and
he'd let her and not even see it.
Each situation is different, obviously, so standing up is going to be
different each time.  It IS possible to do it, though.  And there are ways
to do it that aren't necessarily nasty, out of line (even if that other
person is being just that), or disrespectful.
I actually told him straight up.  It's rare that I'll beat around the bush
with a situation - unless I am unsure.  If I'm sure about something, I say
it right out how I see or feel.
I brought up examples that he actually saw.
I told him that the children were ours, not hers, and that everyone needs to
remember that.  If you have a problem with my child, please tell me and I
WILL deal with it.  I don't want or need MIL threatening to dish out
spankings or something.
We have roles as parents, and grandparents have their own roles, which are
totally different from that of a parent.
If DH wasn't going to stand up to her for the kids, *I* was going to, and I
did and do.  A simple, fairly casual conversation seemed to help a lot.
Nothing that came close to attacking him or his mother, but simply saying it
how I saw and felt everything.  At first I don't think he actually got it,
but he did when I started pointing things out as they came up and happened.
Now he's doing pretty good with telling his mother to back off with the
kids.
We've always had our ways from the start. There's ways we both deal with
good and bad behaviour, ways we deal with everything.  This is a "we"
effort, raising children, I mean.  "We" also doesn't include MIL for 99% of
what goes on.
I think the best way to deal with something like this is communication.
With DH and also with MIL - although it might seem like communication with
either could be as easy as being heard by a wall!
It can be done, though.  It does take some time.  MILs are like children
themselves, sometimes, it seems.  They need reinfocement and they need to
hear it over and over a few times before it starts to sink in lol

>>Then why don't you?  I have no idea where you're located, but I also know
>>there's no such thing as "grandparents' rights".  Grandparents here have
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>>too
>>late.
Vicki - 02 Jul 2008 19:15 GMT
>>>> My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it
>>>> happen....
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Then why don't you?  I have no idea where you're located, but I also know
> there's no such thing as "grandparents' rights".  
Actually unless the law has been changed there is a such thing, but when
my mom tried to have them enforced with my brother they said that they
try to only use it in the case where there is turmoil between the parents.

Tori
xkatx - 02 Jul 2008 20:47 GMT
>>>>> My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it
>>>>> happen....
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>
> Tori

Laws might or might not have changed, but they can be very different from
location to location.  I know 100% there's no "grandparents' rights", and I
know there are many other places in the world that don't have that either.
Where I am, there is no law like that.
Banty - 02 Jul 2008 20:54 GMT
>>>>> My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it
>>>>> happen....
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>my mom tried to have them enforced with my brother they said that they
>try to only use it in the case where there is turmoil between the parents.

I've heard of "grandparents rights" (seriously, anyway) only in the context of
visitation after divorce.

Non-seriously I hear of it all the time referring to a grandparent's right to
have all the fun with a kid for a day and drop him of tired and cranky  ;-)

Banty
Vicki - 02 Jul 2008 23:09 GMT
>>>>>> My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it
>>>>>> happen....
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>
> Banty

I know in NH there WAS grandparents rights.  I also know that parents
where trying to get the law changed.  BUT I know people personally that
got visitation rights with their grandchildren due to the law.  I dont
know if it got reversed but there is such a thing.

Tori
Clisby - 03 Jul 2008 18:16 GMT
>>>>>>> My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it
>>>>>>> happen....
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>
> Tori

According to this site, all 50 states have enacted some sort of
grandparents' rights statute, although some have since been invalidated
(or called into question by a 2000 Supreme Court ruling.)

http://library.findlaw.com/2000/Feb/1/129295.html

However, the OP is in Canada.  U.S. law is irrelevant.

Clisby
Vicki - 03 Jul 2008 18:56 GMT
I did not see where the OP said where she was from.  Sorry.

Tori
> According to this site, all 50 states have enacted some sort of
> grandparents' rights statute, although some have since been invalidated
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>
> Clisby
HappyMamaTo3 - 03 Jul 2008 19:04 GMT
> According to this site, all 50 states have enacted some sort of
> grandparents' rights statute, although some have since been invalidated
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> However, the OP is in Canada.  U.S. law is irrelevant.

From a quick search, Canada's laws are also really variable based on the
area you live in and even more difficult to disentangle. Probably it could
be a threat, but it wouldn't ever be much more. At least it is more of a
"hanging it over your head" thing more than something that will ever happen.

Here's hoping for the best

Cindi

> Clisby
Banty - 30 Jun 2008 16:06 GMT
>>>My Mother in Law is VERY dominant over my husband and he lets it happen....
>>>She is dominant over our son and he lets it happen....She reminds me she has
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>relies on drugs for happiness does not phaze me much !!! The distance does
>help but I just need to stand up to her and tell her what I think !!!

Well, there are many places not like that - you can move to many other places
than there, or where your MIL lives.  Don't set up a false dilemma for yourself;
there's more than two places in the world.

Is your family and MIL in the same town?  Can you live somewhere close enough to
your family and far enough from MIL to at least keep dealing with her from being
a daily or even weekly affair?  Possibly, you'll need to make a tradeoff between
sanity and being really proximal to your family.  At least you need to recognize
that it's a tradeoff.

There are lots of little ways to stand up to family, but its very effective to
have some distance - that in itself solves certain problems.

Banty
enigma - 30 Jun 2008 17:41 GMT
> Is your family and MIL in the same town?  Can you live
> somewhere close enough to your family and far enough from
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> family.  At least you need to recognize that it's a
> tradeoff.

this is one of our criteria for finding a place in upstate
NY. it has to be far enough from Rochester that MIL doesn't
think we should be dropping by on a daily basis (as she does
with SIL who lives a mile away), or that she will need to call
before driving out to visit. i love my (not)MIL but i don't
need her *that* close ;)
since my mother recently died & my dad is going to sell his
house up here & just rent for the summers, he can just as well
rent in NY as NH. the trout fishing is just as good there ;)

> There are lots of little ways to stand up to family, but
> its very effective to have some distance - that in itself
> solves certain problems.

oh yeah! my dad & i get along *so* much better now than when i
lived at home. we're way too much alike!
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tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 18:03 GMT
>> Is your family and MIL in the same town?  Can you live
>> somewhere close enough to your family and far enough from
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>lived at home. we're way too much alike!
>lee

haha yah my family and I get along much better since I moved away but I don't
like the idea of being all the way across the country. I live in British
Columbia whereas the whole lot of my family live in Newfoundland. I find it
so hard being so far away and knowing if anything happened I wouldnt be close
by. My father just recently turned 60 and I worry about him a lot. It's not
that Im living my life by what could happen but I just have a strong head on
going back home because I miss my home so badly. My MIL is right in the
middle of this because she has the tendency to visit every single day and be
very forward with making sure I alow it...she actually got mad at me because
I was "taking" her son and grandchild away from her when we decided to move
up here. VERY dominant person. Its ironic because she has 7 children and only
2 have anything to do with her. My SIL just lost a baby through miscarrage
about a year ago and as disturbing as it was my MIL had pictures of the baby
all over the house...it was a still born, myself I find that creepy and she
never let her daughter get over it. Whenever my SIL would try to hide it my
MIL would get extremely angry and say your pushing your child away and you
don't seem to care. I find that sooo rude. There are so many things about her
I dislike but my husband hates when I say anything...so yes maybe I need to
grow a back bone for myself and stand up for what I believe in but so should
he...he should side with me and not with his mother....I think it would do
our marriage a lot of good
Banty - 30 Jun 2008 18:44 GMT
>>> Is your family and MIL in the same town?  Can you live
>>> somewhere close enough to your family and far enough from
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>he...he should side with me and not with his mother....I think it would do
>our marriage a lot of good

Yeah, sounds like a major self-absorbed pain. But.. I don't see any
problem-solving thinking going on here.

Is the MIL and your family in the *same* town?   Can you move a day's or so
drive away - enough to visit on weekends and to get there if something happened,
far enough to eliminate any chance for those daily MIL visits?

Your husband likely won't change; you seem to be coming up with reasons for just
doing what you want to do (60 nowdays is not the age to start worrying so much,
or I have a foot in the grave!)  Maybe you're here to commiserate instead of
solving anything?  I mean, to sum up:

1. You're moving to the same town as MIL.
2.  Hubby clearly wont help regarding MIL, and doesnt like it when you say
something to her.
3.  You want  ___________?

MIL to presto-chango reform?  What, what?  DH to presto-chango grow a spine
regarding his Mom?  You want us to show you where the little red reform button
is on people?

You need to fix this somehow in a way that only calls upon what you do, clearly.
Or accept the situation as a cost to the benefit of being really proximal to
your family, if they're located very close to each other.  You have to spine up
to *both* MIL and DH (only you know the prospects of that..) or accept that DH
is the man you married and MIL came with the package, or stay where you are.  Or
something else I haven't thought about.  But whatever it is, it has to work by
only needing to do things that are in *your* control to do.

Banty
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 19:26 GMT
>>>> Is your family and MIL in the same town?  Can you live
>>>> somewhere close enough to your family and far enough from
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>
>Banty

Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
it. I have reason to speak up to her and put her where she should be. She is
not the parent, I am the mother and I am going to let her know that. I think
that before I moved away I had problems with doing that, but I know that when
I DO move back things are going to change...maybe not to her likeing, but it
is the best for my son. Thank you for the help, I really did not realize how
bad this was until I really started talking about it. :)
Banty - 30 Jun 2008 19:50 GMT
>>>>> Is your family and MIL in the same town?  Can you live
>>>>> somewhere close enough to your family and far enough from
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>is the best for my son. Thank you for the help, I really did not realize how
>bad this was until I really started talking about it. :)

Then it's all about boundaries.  

Decide first which things are truly Grandma things, and which things are your
purview.  Grandma can visit (for x days or y hours), kids can visit Grandma
(likewise for x days or y hours) during times that school and important family
time is not impacted.  Grandma can give gifts (Grandma cant expect all gifts be
used right away or displayed though), Grandma can call during non-meal;
non-bedtime hours, Grandma can invite you over but its up to you to accept or
say you cant make it.

Start defining yourself as a family unit - you, DH, kid.  And a marriage - you,
DH.  Talk like you're a family unit.  Talk like you're a marriage.  Not some
amorphous fluid thing that Grandma gets to mess around in.  Your family, your
activities and habits, your finances, your home. Even practice saying things
like "We as a family need time to...", "DH and I are planning some couple time
then so how about if....."  If she gets nosy, say "That's a private matter for
us regarding our finances/sex life/home decor/whatever" and change the subject.

Grandma calls before she visits, she can't visit every time she wants to, etc.
etc.

How to start - not in a big fat hairy scene soon after you get there, just by
doing things and handling every instance in a way that recognizes those
boundaries.  Hard at first; it will get easier.

It's kinda like Dog Wisperer LOL - keep a calm and assertive attitude.

You might find a counsellor who can guide you through some of the day to day
stuff that comes up.  (Counsellors are for perfectly mentally healthy people
dealing with difficult stuff - don't get me wrong for suggesting it!).  And/or a
family member of your own family that you can talk to who is wise about these
things and you can relate to, and who will be able to keep conversations
confidential.

DH probably has trouble himself about what normal boundaries are, so you'll need
to find yourself what normal boundaries are that work for you and your family
and has Granma in a normal Grandma role (not empress dowager!) and how to make
it so day to day to day.

You still should figure out how to use distance to your advantage - that solves
a lot of things right there.

Cheers,
Banty
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 20:19 GMT
>>>>>> Is your family and MIL in the same town?  Can you live
>>>>>> somewhere close enough to your family and far enough from
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>Cheers,
>Banty

This all makes perfect sense..and I dont get you wrong about the counsellor
thing, I actually think it would do a great bit on helping with the
situtation. For the distance thing, I have thought about it and there is a
little place outside of where everybody lives and it is long enough away that
she cannot visit every single day. Thats actually something I should bring up
to my husband and see what he thinks..!!!
Clisby - 01 Jul 2008 01:26 GMT
>>>>>>> Is your family and MIL in the same town?  Can you live
>>>>>>> somewhere close enough to your family and far enough from
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> she cannot visit every single day. Thats actually something I should bring up
> to my husband and see what he thinks..!!!

I agree with this one.  Once I left home to go to college, I never lived
closer than 60 miles to my parents.   We got along great, but having
them where they could drop in any time would no doubt have put a strain
on the relationship.

Clisby
HappyMamaTo3 - 01 Jul 2008 20:11 GMT
>>>> snippage<<<<

>> This all makes perfect sense..and I dont get you wrong about the
>> counsellor
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>
> Clisby

The absolute BIGGEST mistake in my first marriage was moving back near my
ex-PIL. Some of the lowest points were here changing my furniture while I
was in the hospital giving birth to my daughter, she also opened the mail.
She replaced the comforters on the beds because she decided I needed new
ones. She did try to dominate with my daughter but I refused it, DH's
opinion or not.

Believe me if she digs in about your son, she will soon try to force herself
into the rest of your life.

Grandparent's rights in at least all the states I have seen, only become an
issue if the child's parents divorce or separate and refuse to allow the
child to support and nurture the relationship that preexists with the
grandparents. Any other reason including a life-long refusal to allow the
grandparent to get to know the chid hasn't been successful. I am NOT a
lawyer, I am NOT speaking from any point of expertise. My research involved
what could apply to the divorce and child custody challenges with my
daughter. My ex constantly used the grandparent's rights card. But, the ex
had visitation rights and his parents had adequate chance to see DD during
that time. Therefore, grandparent's rights were not involved.

From what I have seen grandparents haven't much of leg up to sue for
vistation.

I am really with those above that truly question living that close to your
friends, family, and his family. Sometimes staying a little more distant is
the only way to survive and for your marriage to survive. If you hate living
in a small town look for a larger town that suits your needs. If you are
already committed to this move, counseling and learning the tools you need
to make this situation work, the tools to stand up to for yourself, and the
way to communicate with both you MIL and your DH. If you can get DH to go
too so that you can work together, not at polar opposites.

I wish you luck in any case. It sounds like you are going to have some
difficult days ahead.

Cindi
Ericka Kammerer - 30 Jun 2008 20:05 GMT
> Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
> I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
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> is the best for my son. Thank you for the help, I really did not realize how
> bad this was until I really started talking about it. :)

    Sadly, though, you have to really think through this.
It is within your control to put up some boundaries with your
MIL, and it sounds like you really need to do that for your
sake and for your child's sake.  But then what happens next?
It seems unlikely that your MIL will take this lying down.
What's she going to do?  And when she does it, what is your
DH going to do?  I'm not at all suggesting that the answers
to these questions should make you back down from drawing
some boundaries.  I'm just suggesting that not only do you
need to be prepared to put up some boundaries with MIL, but
you also need to be prepared to deal with the likely fallout.
It seems to me that based on what you've said, it's not at
all unlikely that MIL will go straight to your DH and try
to manipulate him, and he might well knuckle under, and now
all of a sudden you have not only an angry MIL to deal with,
but also trouble in your marriage.
    You need to be realistic and prepared or you'll be
road kill.  Work out what you can with your DH in advance.
Try to get his support, or try to at least get him to
agree to let you handle things with his mother and agree
not to undermine what you're trying to accomplish.  You can't
necessarily get him to grow a backbone, but you need to make
sure he's at least not going to side with her.  You're not
going to make a lot of headway if you're fighting this battle
on two fronts.

Best wishes,
Ericka
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 20:13 GMT
>> Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>> I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>Best wishes,
>Ericka

This is EXACTLY my problem and I couldnt describe it...I will give her
bounderies but I will then have to deal with her making my life a living hell.
..Im not trying to come up with more exuses...but this is exactly whats going
on with her...Im just worried what she is going to do as regards to my
husband...Im sure if I have a good talk with him he will understand and we
will be able to get past it !!
Banty - 30 Jun 2008 20:44 GMT
>> Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>> I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>going to make a lot of headway if you're fighting this battle
>on two fronts.

Possibly, he'll knuckle under a strong wife stepping in where previously he
knuckled under strong Mama.  Not saying for sure that's the case of course, but
that personality type often goes that way.

Other than that, it can be a pretty dismal prospect.  Which is why maybe she
should keep their distance, literally.  This can be a situation where she just
can't have everything at the same time in life.

Banty
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 20:53 GMT
>>> Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>>> I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Banty

He will knuckle...im going to make sure he is on my side about this...i am
NOT going in this alone and its either he goes in with me or he sits on the
sidelines and watches his wife take the pressure all on her own....because I
am NOT allowing the "grandmother" be the mother to my child.
Ericka Kammerer - 30 Jun 2008 21:53 GMT
>>>> Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>>>> I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> sidelines and watches his wife take the pressure all on her own....because I
> am NOT allowing the "grandmother" be the mother to my child.

    But that's the problem--if he doesn't choose to support
you, the worst case scenario is not that you're just going it
alone.  The worst case scenario is that you're confronting
his mother without his help *and* he's saying that you need
to back down for the sake of family harmony, or some such thing.
If his mother leans on him and he chooses her side, you are
in deep trouble because you will either have to back down or
risk your marriage--either one of which is deadly.  Your DH
has the power to put you in a very bad position here unless
he's willing to support you.  He can let you do the heavy
lifting as long as he really supports you and at least agrees
with you when his mother's not around to hear him.  But if his
mother succeeds in convincing him that you're in the wrong or
that she needs to get her way or his life will be miserable,
then you'll be getting pressure from him to acquiesce to his
mother's demands and you will be in a very difficult place.
What happens then?  How confident are you that his mother
won't break his resolve?  If he sides with her, are you willing
to stand your ground even then?  If he sides with her and you
decide you have to back down to save your marriage, you'll
be in worse shape than you are now.  Personally, that's not
much of a marriage in my opinion, but there are those who feel
that's a tradeoff worth making.  Where are your boundaries, and
what are you willing to do to maintain them?
    Normally I wouldn't be one to borrow trouble, but in
this case, I think you have to look ahead and think about what
you'd do in the worst case scenario.  If you believe you'd back
down, then you have to think very hard about how far you're
willing to go with your MIL without your DH's ironclad support.
Some bells can't be unrung, and getting into a situation where
your husband has to make a choice between the two of you and
he decides to side with his mother is one of those bells.  She'll
be in firm control of the higher ground and you'll be unlikely
ever to get it back, not to mention it's really tough to have
a solid marriage when you know your husband doesn't have your back.
The stakes are high, so it's worth knowing the risks before you
go in.

Best wishes,
Ericka
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 22:26 GMT
>>>>> Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>>>>> I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
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>Best wishes,
>Ericka

You make a very good point, but you know what??? If he has the heart to
choose her over me then its not much of a marriage anyways now is it!!! so in
this case....the bell that can't be unrung can stay unrung...if he wants to
choose her over me, then thats fine. You can't win every battle......
especially when the one you love can't even take your back over his mothers
Banty - 30 Jun 2008 23:03 GMT
>>    Normally I wouldn't be one to borrow trouble, but in
>>this case, I think you have to look ahead and think about what
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>choose her over me, then thats fine. You can't win every battle......
>especially when the one you love can't even take your back over his mothers

OK.

But are you willing to test your marriage this way?  Vs. just staying where you
are...

Banty
enigma - 30 Jun 2008 23:46 GMT
> But are you willing to test your marriage this way?  Vs.
> just staying where you are...

particularly where it may cause a break-up & custody fight,
and if hubby & grandma have the money to hire a good lawyer,
there may *be* an issue over who gets control of the child.
i strongly suggest couple councilling *before* you head back
to this coast. you *need* to get him to be watching your back.
lee
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tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 23:55 GMT
>> But are you willing to test your marriage this way?  Vs.
>> just staying where you are...
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>to this coast. you *need* to get him to be watching your back.
>lee

Really though I don't think there would be a problem...I have a strong
feeling he would be on my side...since we moved away he has agreed on many
things I have brought up about MIL...but all in all, he is a mama's boy so I
could take your advice...but he will not likely go for the councelling bit...
he hates things like that...and NO not even if it means bettering it for the
both of us...because he thinks everything is fine
Banty - 30 Jun 2008 22:59 GMT
>>>>>Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>>>>>I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
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>The stakes are high, so it's worth knowing the risks before you
>go in.

OK - so what should she do?

Banty
tarapower08 - 30 Jun 2008 23:30 GMT
>>>>>>Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>>>>>>I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Banty

If our marriage is strong enough...than YES...Defenitely yes...because of the
simple fact that I love my husband and if it came down to this situation on
MY mothers side...I would pick my husband over her....who wouldnt??? so in
this case I think that their should be a little testing involved :( I don't
mean I don't trust him by the way
Ericka Kammerer - 30 Jun 2008 23:59 GMT
>>>>>> Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>>>>>> I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
>
> OK - so what should she do?

    Oh, I don't think there are any easy answers.  When
you're in this situation, you have to decide where your
boundaries are.  Are you willing to compromise what you
believe in order to keep your marriage going?  Or are
you willing to stand by your principles?  You have to
know what you believe, because your beliefs are likely to
be tested.

Best wishes,
Ericka
tarapower08 - 01 Jul 2008 00:08 GMT
>>>>>>> Maybe I was only looking for someone to talk to, maybe that was the case but
>>>>>>> I have to be honest, I do need some help with this and I seem to be getting
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Best wishes,
>Ericka

UGHHH I know...theres so much too think about...I mean I dont want to test
our marriage like this..but I think that MIL needs to know who is in charge...
and I need to make sure My husband is behind me 100 % before I do it....but I
am going to do it no matter what..I need too or she'll be forever walking all
over me
 
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