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toto - 30 Jun 2008 06:08 GMT

Have you seen this?

Sneaky goal and it counted, but... isn't he offside?

http://www.viralvideochart.com/youtube/sneakiest_soccer_goal_ever?id=KJhx2y2mHls

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The Ranger - 30 Jun 2008 06:27 GMT

> Have you seen this?
>
> Sneaky goal and it counted, but... isn't he offside?
>
> http://www.viralvideochart.com/youtube/sneakiest_soccer_goal_ever?id=KJhx2y2mHls

You don't see the entire field or know where all the players
are. Because he wasn't called, I'd say no and it was good
heads-up play.

The Ranger

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scrumble - 30 Jun 2008 18:27 GMT

>> Have you seen this?
>>
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> are. Because he wasn't called, I'd say no and it was good
> heads-up play.

Its only offside if a player from his own team passes the ball to him.
Sneaky, underhanded and bad sportsmanship. Still damned funny :D

A player is deemed to be offside if a member of his own team passes the
ball to him, and there are less than two opposition players between him
and the goal-line. It doesn't have to be the keeper either, it can be
two outfield players

He be in an offside position all game, but if one of the opposition
players gives him the ball it would still count as a goal

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Gloria P - 01 Jul 2008 04:38 GMT

>> Have you seen this?
>>
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>
> The Ranger

It's only offside if the ref calls it...and we've all
experienced bad calls. I agree with Ranger. We're not
seeing the entire field and it's very possible that a
defender was slow in leaving the area.

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The Ranger - 01 Jul 2008 04:55 GMT

>>> Have you seen this?
>>>
>>> Sneaky goal and it counted, but... isn't he offside?

http://www.viralvideochart.com/youtube/sneakiest_soccer_goal_ever?id=KJhx2y2mHls

>> You don't see the entire field or know where
>> all the players are. Because he wasn't called,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> possible that a defender was slow in leaving
> the area.

Watch the end of the play where the 'keeper drops it to the
ground to pound it forward instead of drop kicking it. He would
not have been able to handle the ball again (pick it back up
with his hands) without an opponent touching it so he was
stupid for not looking about and making sure he was alone.

I also asked two national referees for their opinions. They
both called the goalkeeper stupid. Neither would have called an
offside because the ball was last played by the green/yellow's
(the shooter) opponent and even though he was behind the play,
he was not fed the ball; he's free to do what he wishes.

One did mention that most referees he's met get their hackles
up if a striker "obstructs" a goalkeeper's play -- even if he's
bouncing it across the penalty area; as long as it's within the
6-second Rule, the goalkeeper retains possession.

I know what I'm training the girls on every team I coach to do
this coming season! "You're the keeper's shadow! I want a
hat-trick every game!"

The Ranger

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scrumble - 01 Jul 2008 18:51 GMT

>>> Have you seen this?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> seeing the entire field and it's very possible that a
> defender was slow in leaving the area.

Read my other post. The keeper was the last to touch the ball, so he
isn't offside. Even if ever other player was in the other half, he still
wouldn't be offside

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Gloria P - 01 Jul 2008 21:10 GMT

>> It's only offside if the ref calls it...and we've all
>> experienced bad calls. I agree with Ranger. We're not
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> isn't offside. Even if ever other player was in the other half, he still
> wouldn't be offside

Thanks, I missed that point completely and had forgotten the rule
because I've seen it so seldom.

gloria p

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scrumble - 02 Jul 2008 06:02 GMT

>>> It's only offside if the ref calls it...and we've all
>>> experienced bad calls. I agree with Ranger. We're not
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thanks, I missed that point completely and had forgotten the rule
> because I've seen it so seldom.

Don't worry about it. 90% of referees and linesmen seem to have trouble
understanding the offside rule :)

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The Ranger - 02 Jul 2008 16:21 GMT

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> Don't worry about it. 90% of referees and linesmen seem
> to have trouble understanding the offside rule :)

Which seemed to be the case from my replay-and-sideline-backed
viewing of all the matches during Euro2008. What exactly were
those ARs and CRs calling (or, in most cases, not) as offside?
Everytime I *thought* I'd gotten a handle on offside, there'd
be a situation of a feed-through with what appeared to be a
striker 2-yards deeper than any defender and no flag would go
up. Two plays later, the same striker would be chasing a ball
and the flag would go up...

The Ranger

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scrumble - 02 Jul 2008 20:58 GMT

> [snip]
>> Don't worry about it. 90% of referees and linesmen seem
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> up. Two plays later, the same striker would be chasing a ball
> and the flag would go up...

Offside used to be reasonably straight forward. But they've played
around with it (read: screwed it up)

Now a player has to be deemed to be interfering with play. The idea
being that if a player is in a offside position, but makes no attempt to
get the ball, and the ball is played to his team mate who is onside,
then it isn't offside. It was basically designed so that player on the
other side of the pitch, and was maybe injured, wouldn't hinder the flow
of the game. But as the late great Bill Shankly once said "If he's not
interfering with play, what hells he doing on the pitch?"

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Marc - 30 Jun 2008 15:12 GMT

> Have you seen this?
>
> Sneaky goal and it counted, but... isn't he offside?
>
> http://www.viralvideochart.com/youtube/sneakiest_soccer_goal_ever?id=KJhx2y2mHls

Hi

I must remember to show DH. As I understand the offside rule, no he is
not. When he is behind the goal keeper, he doesn't have the ball, so he
is not 'in play'. When he is facing the goals, he goes around the ball
to get onside before playing it. I maybe wrong, but such is my
understanding.

Marcelle

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cjra - 04 Jul 2008 05:49 GMT

> Have you seen this?
>
> Sneaky goal and it counted, but... isn't he offside?
>
> http://www.viralvideochart.com/youtube/sneakiest_soccer_goal_ever?id=...

Great video!

Definitely not offside. Stupid playing by the goal keeper.

I'd say pretty smart by the goal scorer.

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Clisby - 04 Jul 2008 11:41 GMT

>> Have you seen this?
>>
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>
> I'd say pretty smart by the goal scorer.

That's what I thought. I showed it to my 6-year-old soccer player as an
inspiration. (Not that I have any clue about what it means to be
offside, but it looked like an extraordinarily clever play to me.)

Clisby

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