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Older Children and Shots

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The Ranger - 16 Jul 2009 21:30 GMT
Some things are simply too good to pass up and when the Muse presents
herself in such a flamboyant manner, you just go with the flow. All three of
my daughter-units are now at the stage in life where they need to receive
the HPV series. On a recent trip to the pediatrician, the following scene
unfolded.

We arrived at the pediatrician's office on time, which for me lately, means
exactly at the appointment time, not the "five minutes before" normally
recommended.

As we exited my vehicle, Daughter-units Alpha and Beta were in full
teenangster mode.

"Why do we need a physical?"

"Because it's required."

"I don't want one."

"That's nice. This way."

"I'm staying in the car!"

"You're getting out of the car. Either through your own power or mine..."

"You can't _make_ me!"

"Do you _really_ wanna go there?"

And so it continued for the next twenty feet of foot-shuffling,
sneaker-dragging moon-walking pain-and-suffering.

Thankfully, the dialogue stopped the moment we hit the waiting room. I
checked us in and watched as Spawn hippity-hopped into the "Wellness Room"
with D-uA stuck standing fast in the doorway holding it and glaring at me. A
Dad Look(tm) was able to dislodge her and she continued her shuffling in
after her youngest sister. D-uB was quietly standing by me when Nurse
Kratchet looked up with, "Oh good. You remembered. Where are your sisters?
Take this and bring it back here."

"This is so gross!"

"I know." NK's lack of sympathy for the grossness factor was clearly
communicated.

I called for the other two and then went to wait quietly in the Wellness
Room. It was filled with other Dads and assorted children, big and little,
short and tall, loud and very loud. I sat in a chair and pulled open my book
to read. Soon, Spawn appeared. With her  normal bubbly socialite's grace she
immediately set to organizing her court. The six girls and the five boys
simply nodded as she set them to quietly playing and pretending. The father
across the room voiced, "Listen to that... Quiet. I wish she'd come in
sooner."

D-uA and D-uB soon appeared and plopped down in the connected seats. The
bench lurched against the wall with a loud "Thump!"

"Do you do that at home?" I asked.

"No," I heard in unison.

I didn't say anything, just looked up from my book in their direction.

"No, dad. We're sorry."

"Do we need to go outside and come back in?"

"No, dad."

I sat there and looked from one to the other until they knew their Attitude
was done.

Nurse Kratchet, someone of Norwegian ancestry, poked her head through the
doorway. The general looks of panic from almost every child there caused
play to stop. She called for Clan Ranger to follow her. As she ran point on
my herd, I was clean-up, we followed all the way to the last room. As I'm
wont to do in such situations, I started mooing... Nurses Jones and Bluecha
laughed as we trundled past their station.

We entered the room and Nurse Kratchet handed me a sheet listing all sorts
of information. All three girls realized what the data sheet meant and
started to protest but I was already signing-here-and-initial-there. I
crossed all the "i's" dotted every "t" quickly. NK left the room to get the
inoculations schtuff. It was interesting to see how each daughter-unit threw
their siblings under the approaching bus.

"She goes first. She's the youngest."

"She should go first. She's the oldest."

"She should go first. She's used to getting shots."

A quick knock, and in entered Nurse Kratchet. Spawn saw the needles and
performed a perfect mimic of Jamie Lee Curtis' Scream-O'-Death. An 11-yo can
grab an enormous amount of air and expel it quite quickly. This involuntary
panic put her right at the front of the queue. Nurse Kratchet daubed her
arm, pinched, poked and bandaged the area in three breaths.

In the past, I've had it noted that there are many positive things about
being the eldest. **I** can never think of any but I'm assured they're
there... One of the many negatives is being the first for everything -- and
that generally includes shots. I've also pointed out (in the past) my
absolute hatred of anything resembling a needle. D-uA is an acorns that fell
right by the trunk. Even being second this time didn't reduce her complaints
about "always being "first."

"Submit all complaints in triplicate, typed. Wait six weeks for your
answer."

As I said, Nurse Kratchet was good. D-uA was still protesting (although
rock-steady as if rooted in place) when NK wiped, jabbed, and pumped. D-uB,
who _was_ looking, never saw her inject her arm; she felt it but it was over
quickly. It was amazing. The older two were done before I blinked and NK was
back out the door. I looked at all three and asked, "Was it really that
bad?"

"Yes!" I got in unison again.

Despite the Trauma I'd put them through, all three did a fine job of
upholding Clan Ranger's honor. I was very proud. It is also "policy" that
any kids that get shots also get an Otterpop (a popsicle) on their way out.

The Good Doctor examined all three girls and we were walking back to the car
when I the nurses called over to me.

Nurse Blueka asked, "Why do you always moo when you take them down there?"

"Because you might get offended if I called out, 'Dead girls walkin'! Get
the cots and shots!'"

All three nurses laughed as we headed back outside and into the afternoon
sunlight.

The Ranger
enigma - 17 Jul 2009 14:22 GMT
> Some things are simply too good to pass up and when the Muse
> presents herself in such a flamboyant manner, you just go with
> the flow.

woohoo! actual content! ;)
i think Boo may be due for his boosters this year. that should be
amusing.
wonder why they can't/don't do HPV for boys?
lee
The Ranger - 17 Jul 2009 14:50 GMT
[snip]
> wonder why they can't/don't do HPV for boys?

Can boys get cervical cancer? That's the main reason my daughters'
pediatrician recommends it for girls.

The Ranger
enigma - 17 Jul 2009 16:47 GMT
> [snip]
>> wonder why they can't/don't do HPV for boys?
>
> Can boys get cervical cancer? That's the main reason my daughters'
> pediatrician recommends it for girls.

no, but if a boy gets HPV, he can pass it to girls who can get
cervical cancer. if girls *and* boys were vaccinated, well, the girls
whose parents won't do the HPV vax would be somewhat safer...
lee
The Ranger - 17 Jul 2009 16:59 GMT
[snip]
>> Can boys get cervical cancer? That's the main reason my daughters'
>> pediatrician recommends it for girls.

> no, but if a boy gets HPV, he can pass it to girls who can get
> cervical cancer. if girls *and* boys were vaccinated, well, the girls
> whose parents won't do the HPV vax would be somewhat safer...

Then how do you convince those girls parents that see the Pharmaceutical
Boogieman around every corner that this particular series of shots is in
their daughters' best interest?

The Ranger
Mo - 18 Jul 2009 14:26 GMT
> [snip]
>>> Can boys get cervical cancer? That's the main reason my daughters'
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Pharmaceutical Boogieman around every corner that this particular
> series of shots is in their daughters' best interest?

I personally don't believe you can convince certain parents regardless of
/what/ you try :-(. I have read a lot of messages of parents that said that
they wouldn't have their daughter(s) vaccinated, because if they did, 'they
would have sex'. Of course they wouldn't, if they weren't vaccinated, they'd
never ever have sex <rolls eyes>. Frankly I believe that the group of
parents opposing this vaccine largely come from the same group who are dead
set against sex ed and such.

In the Netherlands there were a lot of problems with the whole vaccination
campaign. A group of scientists sought publicity about the vaccine, how it
has not been tested at all, that nobody knows that the long term effects
are, that nobody knows exactly when and how many times the vaccination needs
to be repeated, etc. It was one side saying this, the other side saying the
opposite, people were made to feel very insecure. The number of girls
getting their shots dropped significantly after that, tens of percents...
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Mo

Betsy - 18 Jul 2009 13:45 GMT
>> [snip]
>>> wonder why they can't/don't do HPV for boys?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> whose parents won't do the HPV vax would be somewhat safer...
> lee

It does seem silly to require it for girls and not boys.  Part of the
idea of having a vaccinated population is for the common good, not just
for the individual good.  It seems to me that vaccinating both genders
as fully as practical would lower the number of cases more than just
vaccinating girls.

The parents who refuse the vaccine for their daughters on moral grounds
don't make much sense to me.  Even if their daughter waits until
marriage, she may be at risk from her spouse.

--Betsy

--Betsy
Mo - 18 Jul 2009 14:15 GMT
>> [snip]
>>> wonder why they can't/don't do HPV for boys?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> whose parents won't do the HPV vax would be somewhat safer...
> lee

At what age are the girls vaccinated in the US? Just wondering... Here it's
all girls aged 12, and since they started the programme this year, they also
vaccinated all girls aged 13-16 (to 'catch up', so to speak). I keep on
wondering where the age guideline came from, though. Yes, I know the vaccine
is more effective in those that have not yet been sexually active, and I
have no problems with the standard vaccination age being set at 12, but why
exclude everyone over 16? Everyone over 16 is having sex or something?? The
vaccine doesn't work for people after their 16th birthday?? Nonsense! It
makes absolutely /no/ sense to me to exclude girls aged over 16. As if there
are no girls that lose their virginity aged 16 and over. Duh.

(And since they are only vaccinating girls, it makes it rather easy to check
that anyone /over/ the age of 16 requesting to be vaccinated is /not/
sexually active, doesn't it ;-)?)
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Mo

Kat - 22 Jul 2009 08:17 GMT
> Some things are simply too good to pass up and when the Muse presents
> herself in such a flamboyant manner, you just go with the flow. All three
> of my daughter-units are now at the stage in life where they need to
> receive the HPV series. On a recent trip to the pediatrician, the
> following scene unfolded.
<snipped just because it was long>

I always love reading what you have to say.  It's always very amusing!
The Ranger - 22 Jul 2009 14:09 GMT
>> Some things are simply too good to pass up and when the Muse presents
>> herself in such a flamboyant manner, you just go with the flow. All three
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I always love reading what you have to say.  It's always very amusing!

Thank ya kindly. :)

The Ranger
LFM - 29 Jul 2009 18:30 GMT
> >> Some things are simply too good to pass up and when the Muse presents
> >> herself in such a flamboyant manner, you just go with the flow. All three
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> The Ranger

Ah, Ranger...  I came into Google to look up a problem I'm having with
a computer - and saw the old "AM" group and had to take a peek.  Took
sorting thru 5 pages of crap to come across your thread.  Thanks for
the wonderful musing.  I do miss this.
 
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