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Family Forum / Parenting / Mothers / October 200316 month old not sleeping enough
Hi I'm hoping that some of you have experience to help me! My wee lad, 16m old, has recently cut his night time sleep from 12-13 hours to 11 hours (if I'm lucky) and at the same time has cut down from two 45 min naps a day to one nap in the morning, still about 45 mins. When he is at the childminder, 2 days a week, his nap is only 25 mins long. As a result he is usually exhausted at the end of the day.....absolutely bouncing off the walls with exhausted hyperactivity. Does anyone have any ideas how I can help him increase his sleep again. I've tried to get him to still have his afternoon nap by putting him in his pushchair and walking and walking... or putting him in the car and driving and driving, but those once failsafe methods of getting him to sleep just don't work anymore (of course the clocks going back haven't helped things at all). I'm totally stumped. This has been going on about 6 weeks now (getting slowly worse and worse). I'm not sure whether it is related, but he cut his 2 top lateral front teeth 6 weeks ago and this last week cut the edges of his first molars and a front bottom lateral tooth....I'm sure hoping it is related and things will revert to normal, but the teeth are cut now and there are definitely no signs of improvement So - any advice any of you may have will be incredibly welcome. TIA V I know that at that my OS (the only one that slept through until a few weeks ago) decreased his sleep at that age too and went from two long naps and 12-13 hour nights down to 11-12 hour nights and one afternoon nap lasting about 90 minutes. Rachel Mommy to Andrew Neil (May 19, 2000) and Lukas Dallon (June 2, 2001) See us at: http://photos.yahoo.com/poohrkm ~Some people never find it some only pretend, but me I just want to live happily ever after Every now and then. ~JB >I know that at that my OS (the only one that slept through until a few weeks >ago) decreased his sleep at that age too and went from two long naps and 12-13 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >~Some people never find it some only pretend, but me I just want to live >happily ever after Every now and then. ~JB Isn't it strange the way they change so suddenly! ds seemed to decide over night to cut to one nap...I just wish it'd be more than his normal 35-45 mins as he wakes tired! Bless him. Maybe once these teeth have properly cut (rather than just one side of the molar) he'll stretch his naps out. As my m-in-law used to remind me - he isn't a robot! But sometimes I wish I was (like 3 am this morning, when something woke him) V I can't help you much...... I really envy your 11 (!!!!) hours of sleep at night. As I mailed some days ago DD is a very poor sleeper! Her longer stretch of sleep till now has been 5 hours (Just one time) and usually she sleeps much less!. Anyway I hope things will go better for you .and for me too ;-)) Paola wrote in message ... >I can't help you much...... I really envy your 11 (!!!!) hours of sleep at >night. As I mailed some days ago DD is a very poor sleeper! Her longer >stretch of sleep till now has been 5 hours (Just one time) and usually she >sleeps much less!. >Anyway I hope things will go better for you .and for me too ;-)) Paola I agree that, given what you are going through, I have it good. I really hope that you get more and more of thoses 5 hour stretches...which eventually join together into 10 + hour stretches. I remember so clearly going mad with lack of sleep at the same stage as you. Take care V >Hi >I'm hoping that some of you have experience to help me! [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >TIA >V My 3.7 year old cut out her naps completely at 15 months. She sleeps about 11 hours a night, though. Have you tried just settling him to bed at an earlier hour? You might have to get up a bit earlier, but at least you may avoid the end-of-day exhaustion, which I would consider way worse than getting up and hour earlier. Kids will sleep only as long as their little bodies need. They can't be pushed to sleep longer, no matter how much we'd like that ;-) Nan >My 3.7 year old cut out her naps completely at 15 months. She sleeps >about 11 hours a night, though. Wow - they are so different aren't they in the amount of sleep they need. >Have you tried just settling him to bed at an earlier hour? You might >have to get up a bit earlier, but at least you may avoid the >end-of-day exhaustion, which I would consider way worse than getting >up and hour earlier. I would except that he seems to be on a 23 hour day at the moment, and I can see his time clock moving totally out of sync with daylight hours. Or am I worrying unnecessarily about that? >Kids will sleep only as long as their little bodies need. They can't >be pushed to sleep longer, no matter how much we'd like that ;-) I know! But when he wakes tired in the morning, hardly sleeps during the day, despite the many opportunities to do so, and ends up bouncing off the walls with exhaustion, I can't help but feel that he isn't getting enough. Maybe I just worry too much! In fact, I know I just worry too much! V >Does anyone have any ideas how I can help him increase his sleep again. it sounds to me as if you are missing his sleep signals. about this age they change their sleep needs. 12 hours a night roughly, and about 1.5 hours during the day. Maybe you need to watch closer for his signs of being tiredness, because once they are over tired, its a bugger trying to get them to sleep Michelle -- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. - Henry David Thoreau remove the sand to reply to me. >it sounds to me as if you are missing his sleep signals. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >sleep >Michelle I thought of that, but when he is in bed at the end of the day he generally drops off like a shot, exhausted or not. I was so determined today that he would have an afternoon nap (after he only slept 35 mins at lunchtime) that I walked for 1 1/2 hours and he eventually dropped off 15 mins before the end - he lay there totally still for the whole time before he fell asleep - just saying the odd word now and then to remind me he was there and awake...bless him! V >I thought of that, but when he is in bed at the end of the day he generally >drops off like a shot, exhausted or not. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >V they fight sleep so well at this age... lol. Michelle -- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away. - Henry David Thoreau remove the sand to reply to me. > Hi > I'm hoping that some of you have experience to help me! [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > TIA > V I'd try the nap during the day after lunch,rather than the morning that way they have been up long enought to get tired.I don't know of any babies that still have 2 daytime naps at that age. My DD (18mths) sleeps 11-12 hours at night and anywhere from 40 mins to 2 hours after 1130/12md. She is harder to get to sleep at night because she is overtired by 7pm. And for what its worth my DD doesn't sleep as well when getting teeth, on occasion if I think they are hurting her and she hasn't had enough sleep for a few days I'll give a dose of neurophen to see if it helps but as a rule I don't give pain killers for teething. Hang in there and try to keep things as routine as possible, same bedtimes where possible etc... Alissa > I'd try the nap during the day after lunch,rather than the > morning that way they have been up long enought to get > tired.I don't know of any babies that still have 2 daytime > naps at that age. mine was having 2 1.5-3 hour naps 2x/day up until August when he started preschool (he turned 3 in August). on weekends he still sometimes has 2 naps, both over 1 hour each. during the week he afternoon naps 2-3.5 hours. he gets up between 5:30 & 6 am & goes to bed between 8-9pm. when he's awake he's very busy. we cosleep, so i can't say we had much in the way of nightwakings. he certainly flops less now than he did at 16 months. somewhere around 18 months he learned to sleep on the bed next to me instead of *on* me... he also had all his teeth at 18 months, so i suspect thats why he flopped around less. the eyeteeth & the molars seem to be the most painful coming in. i did give him infant Tylanol a few times when he was really not sleeping. it'll get better after the teething phase. lee > > I'd try the nap during the day after lunch,rather than the > > morning that way they have been up long enought to get [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > it'll get better after the teething phase. > lee Wow youv'e got yourself one really good sleeper there! Lucky thing... Alissa >> mine was having 2 1.5-3 hour naps 2x/day up until August >> when [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Wow youv'e got yourself one really good sleeper there! > Lucky thing... well, there is a drawback, sort-of. the only place he really sleeps is on my lap. so it's not like i can do anything but mess on the computer or knit while he naps. he is actually getting to the point where i can tuck him into bed at night after he falls asleep & he *stays* asleep. it'd be nice if that worked for the naps once in a while, but since i can knit while he's asleep, it's not a huge deal to me :) lee <quit beading during naps because he used to flail> > it'll get better after the teething phase. >lee thank you - I do hope so! and I do envy you his napping times, even if he does nap on you! I could do with the enforced sitting down period. V >I'd try the nap during the day after lunch,rather than the morning that way >they have been up long enought to get tired.I don't know of any babies that >still have 2 daytime naps at that age. I've tried that - but he cuts the nap even shorter...and usually wakes up screaming and takes over 1/2 hour to calm down. >My DD (18mths) sleeps 11-12 hours at night and anywhere from 40 mins to 2 >hours after 1130/12md. She is harder to get to sleep at night because she is >overtired by 7pm. And for what its worth my DD doesn't sleep as well when >getting teeth, on occasion if I think they are hurting her and she hasn't >had enough sleep for a few days I'll give a dose of neurophen to see if it >helps but as a rule I don't give pain killers for teething. I've been giving him calpol this last teething as he has cut his first 2 molars and two front teeth at the same time...as well as having a stinking cold. I remember only too clearly when my back molars came through when I was about 11 and how painful they were. I never give it to him otherwise >Hang in there and try to keep things as routine as possible, same bedtimes >where possible etc... Maybe that's why he generally (that word is my get-out-clause) goes to bed pretty well at night as we've had a bedtime routine since he was 7 weeks old....so it is pretty clear what is coming next. I keep telling myself that both he and I survived his newborn days when neither of us knew what to do, so I'm sure we'll survive this! V |
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