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SarahH - 27 Nov 2003 12:41 GMT
If hypothetically speaking I wanted to post anonymously to ngs, what
would the best way be?
Thanks :)
Sarah
just me - 27 Nov 2003 13:04 GMT
> If hypothetically speaking I wanted to post anonymously to ngs, what
> would the best way be?

I have not done it but it appears the best way is to use a news server that
is not directly traceable to your ISP or you and change your headers to
disguise who you are and where you are.  Or, you could post via google using
something like a hot mail addy that you mung, I suppose, but I'm not exactly
practiced on this!

-Aula
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toto - 27 Nov 2003 14:54 GMT
>> If hypothetically speaking I wanted to post anonymously to ngs, what
>> would the best way be?
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>
>-Aula

It depends on what you mean by anonymous.  Do you mean
that you don't want your IP traceable?  Or that you really don't
want anyone on the ng to know it's you?

Several possibilities exist for this, I think.   The premium
newsservers like altopia and easynews allow you to munge
your address to invalid addresses provided that the domain
is not a valid one that someone is actually using.   This gives
you anonymous posting on the groups and some of these
services don't post the NTTP either.   If you have posted
with your name though and connect yourself to the posts,
it won't be so anonymous that people don't know who you
are.  My name is associated with my nym, so if I wanted to
really be anon, I would have to change my nym and change
my signature, etc.   And I would probably have to not tell
anyone who I was under that new nym.  Btw, for those
considering a news service, I can't reccommend altopia
at this time since I am considering whether to dump it.
The retention is short and there is something weird going
on with someone I know that caused him to dump it though
I have not yet heard from him about the reasons.  Easynews
apparently respects privacy more than altopia does, so I
may change to that provider myself.  There are others
around as well.

Another way to post is to use anonymous remailers *and*
a news service.  Anon remailers bounce the post off many
different IPs and depending on how many bounces they take
are pretty much untraceable except possibly by the LEA.  I
have never used one and have been told they are not easy to
set up though.  You can subscribe to an anon remailer service
quite legally but then you have to figure out how to set it up.

The other way to do it, is to hide behind a proxy of some sort.  
I believe though that this is considered theft of service because
you are using IP numbers that have been left open accidentally
or for the newsserver admins to do something (I think).   I am
not very clear on this one.  Only heard about it after being
harrassed by the warez boys.  There is a proxy kit that they
post regularly on one of those groups that tells how to go
about finding open proxies and connecting through them.  It
supposedly makes things easy for newbies to learn how to use
them.

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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Dizzysmamma - 27 Nov 2003 16:47 GMT
Hey Margie!  Your posts are being deleted from the server!

Angela
SarahH - 27 Nov 2003 19:14 GMT
> Hey Margie!  Your posts are being deleted from the server!
>
> Angela

what did she say???
Sarah
SarahH - 27 Nov 2003 20:05 GMT
>> Hey Margie!  Your posts are being deleted from the server!
>>
>> Angela
>
> what did she say???
> Sarah

not to worry, I managed to read it. :-/
Sarah
just me - 27 Nov 2003 23:13 GMT
> >> Hey Margie!  Your posts are being deleted from the server!
> >>
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>
> not to worry, I managed to read it. :-/

I never saw it! [or any others lately.....]

-Aula, missing Margie
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Nan - 27 Nov 2003 23:34 GMT
>> >> Hey Margie!  Your posts are being deleted from the server!
>> >>
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>
>-Aula, missing Margie

:-(((

Nan
SarahH - 27 Nov 2003 19:10 GMT
> It depends on what you mean by anonymous.  Do you mean
> that you don't want your IP traceable?  Or that you really don't
> want anyone on the ng to know it's you?

I dont want to be haasled via personal email, nor do I want stray people
to follow me here

> Several possibilities exist for this, I think.   The premium
> newsservers like altopia and easynews allow you to munge
> your address to invalid addresses provided that the domain
> is not a valid one that someone is actually using.   This gives
> you anonymous posting on the groups and some of these
> services don't post the NTTP either.

hmmm, Id rather have a free option lol

  If you have posted
> with your name though and connect yourself to the posts,
> it won't be so anonymous that people don't know who you
> are.  My name is associated with my nym, so if I wanted to
> really be anon, I would have to change my nym and change
> my signature, etc.

I can do that

  And I would probably have to not tell
> anyone who I was under that new nym.  Btw, for those
> considering a news service, I can't reccommend altopia
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> may change to that provider myself.  There are others
> around as well.

:) I lurk lol
>
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> set up though.  You can subscribe to an anon remailer service
> quite legally but then you have to figure out how to set it up.

ok, if its completely legal, I could think about this.

> The other way to do it, is to hide behind a proxy of some sort.  
> I believe though that this is considered theft of service because
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> supposedly makes things easy for newbies to learn how to use
> them.

eek, Im not sure about that route

thankyou Dorothy, that was very informative.

Sarah
SarahH - 27 Nov 2003 18:43 GMT
>>If hypothetically speaking I wanted to post anonymously to ngs, what
>>would the best way be?
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>
> -Aula

Thanks Aula, Ive got something to think about there. Is it easy to
change headers? The latter idea is a reasonable option.
Sarah
just me - 27 Nov 2003 23:14 GMT
> Thanks Aula, Ive got something to think about there. Is it easy to
> change headers? The latter idea is a reasonable option.

Sounds like you just need a different identity.  That is easy to do in
Outlook Express.  I don't know how to do it in Mozilla, though.

-Aula
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Herself - 28 Nov 2003 09:02 GMT
> > Thanks Aula, Ive got something to think about there. Is it easy to
> > change headers? The latter idea is a reasonable option.
>
> Sounds like you just need a different identity.  That is easy to do in
> Outlook Express.  I don't know how to do it in Mozilla, though.

That's what I did to post without worry that my MIL would find posts
(really!!).  If you get mail through Mozilla, you'll need to get another
mail or news program tho...I think it only supports one user at a time.
So you'd be changing that email address (like I did mine, above), but
then couldn't get mail.  I'm not positive tho.  If you want help, let me
know.  
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Mags - 27 Nov 2003 13:52 GMT
>If hypothetically speaking I wanted to post anonymously to ngs, what
>would the best way be?
>Thanks :)
>Sarah

I have a way you can do it Sarah but I won't be discussing anything
here.  If you don't figure it out by tomorrow, I'll email you.

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K, T, E & N - 27 Nov 2003 14:17 GMT
If you use your computer, know that the header will contain your ID - it's
(62.252.24.197) no matter how you munge your name.  It's a way to trace in
cases where they go for felony charges, but the average joe can only "hit or
miss" with ID tracing by looking up every single post's properties until he
hits a match.

If you want to post anonymously, truly anonymously, use a public computer,
such as at a library and through a set up account (like hotmail) that you
have never used before and never plan to use again.

Kim
SarahH - 27 Nov 2003 18:41 GMT
> If you use your computer, know that the header will contain your ID - it's
> (62.252.24.197) no matter how you munge your name.  It's a way to trace in
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>
> Kim

botheration, youre right Kim, Id completely forgot about my IP addy.

I dont need to be *that* anonymous. lol, Im not planning anything I need
to hide from the 'authorities Id just like to be able to go into other
ngs without bringing back any accidental tr*lls. I also dont want my own
'puter or email being attacked.
Sarah
toto - 28 Nov 2003 07:03 GMT
>> If you use your computer, know that the header will contain your ID - it's
>> (62.252.24.197) no matter how you munge your name.  It's a way to trace in
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>
>botheration, youre right Kim, Id completely forgot about my IP addy.

Well, it won't show if you are using premium newsservers that don't
post the NNTP.

>I dont need to be *that* anonymous. lol, Im not planning anything I need
>to hide from the 'authorities Id just like to be able to go into other
>ngs without bringing back any accidental tr*lls. I also dont want my own
>'puter or email being attacked.
>Sarah

Well, if you simply change nyms to post in the other group and never
use that nym in any other group, they would probably not follow you
here.   In Agent, I can set each group up with separate headers though
they all come from altopia.   You can do it in group properties.  I
don't do that, but I know it is pretty easy in agent.  You can have
different reply addies, etc and different sigs set up for each group
you subscribe to if you want.  Using x-no-archive in the header
setting also keeps the trolls from picking up other posts by that
nym on google.

And if you use an email that is set up only to be a spam trap for that
group and is webbased (hotmail, yahoo, mail.com, etc), then the
emails won't get through to your hard drive assuming you read them
from the web and don't save them.  

Hacking your machine is fairly unlikely though it can happen.  
Make sure you have a good firewall like Nortons or Zone Alarm
and that your virus definitions are current every few days.

Btw, anon remailers while they are legal are generally not free,
I think.

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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Herself - 28 Nov 2003 09:02 GMT
> If hypothetically speaking I wanted to post anonymously to ngs, what
> would the best way be?

Go look how the trolls do it :-)
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Stara Baba - 29 Nov 2003 22:20 GMT
> If hypothetically speaking I wanted to post anonymously to ngs, what
> would the best way be?
> Thanks :)
> Sarah

I did a google search and this was one of the hits:

http://www.inetprivacy.com/a4proxy/use-anonymous-usenet.htm
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