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nanner - 24 Jun 2005 17:31 GMT
Has anyone noticed Tom Cruise has totally gone off the deep end?

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3tc.htm

"CRUISE 'WAR OF WORLDS' INTERVIEW TURNS INTO SHOWDOWN ON PSYCHIATRY,
SCIENTOLOGY

NBC 'TODAY SHOW' host Matt Lauer was lectured by star Tom Cruise on the
dangers of psychiatry and antidepressant during a promotional interview for
WAR OF THE WORLDS."

See link for full interview -
toto - 24 Jun 2005 21:38 GMT
>Has anyone noticed Tom Cruise has totally gone off the deep end?
>
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>
>See link for full interview -

Tom Cruise is a Scientologist.  They are all off the deep end.

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits
Plissken - 24 Jun 2005 22:05 GMT
>>Has anyone noticed Tom Cruise has totally gone off the deep end?
>>
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>>
> Tom Cruise is a Scientologist.  They are all off the deep end.

Just what I was going to say :o)
Nan - 24 Jun 2005 23:22 GMT
>Tom Cruise is a Scientologist.  They are all off the deep end.

LOL

Nan
Bell Jar - 24 Jun 2005 23:33 GMT
>>Has anyone noticed Tom Cruise has totally gone off the deep end?
>>
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>>
> Tom Cruise is a Scientologist.  They are all off the deep end.

While I don't agree w/ everything Tom Cruise says ... your statement is far
from correct.
Are all priests rapists?  All Christians fundies?  The extremists are far
from the norm.
dejablues - 26 Jun 2005 04:00 GMT
> >>Has anyone noticed Tom Cruise has totally gone off the deep end?
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Are all priests rapists?  All Christians fundies?  The extremists are far
> from the norm.

$cientology is a cult, not a religion.  It's expression is out of the norm,
by definition.
Cult members are weak and mislead (at best) or rabidly crazy and mislead (at
worst).
Christianity , which falls under the umbrella of a recognized religion,
encompasses a wide variety of expressions, from fundamentalists to
nondenominationlists, from Catholics, to Anglicans, to Orthodox, to
Baptists, to Methodists.

So, while not all Christians are (hardly) fundies, and not all priests
rapists (only a few Christian denominations claim priests anyway) , one can
say that all $cientologists are "off the deep end" , since they are all
members of a cult.
enigma - 26 Jun 2005 12:57 GMT
> $cientology is a cult, not a religion.  It's expression is
> out of the norm, by definition.

besides, scientology was started as a joke. the joke,
unfortunately, got out of hand due to some  not exactly
mentally balanced "members".
L.Ron Hubbard was a sci-fi writer & not particularly good
either. he bet someone that he could start a religion...
poor L.Ron ended his life as a recluse because 'church'
leaders didn't want him 'recanting' the religion he started.
he was a prisoner of his own cult.
having seen what the cult does first hand (they targetted my
older brother. they like weak-willed people with lots of
money), i have little respect for them.
lee
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Bateau - 27 Jun 2005 17:11 GMT
>> $cientology is a cult, not a religion.  It's expression is
>> out of the norm, by definition.
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>money), i have little respect for them.
>lee

I didn't hear that it was a bet before. He did say "the best way to get
rich is to start a religion" though.
Boy is it funny watching the ex-scientologists rant about the CoS. It's
the crazies vs the crazies.
Bateau - 27 Jun 2005 17:09 GMT
>>>Has anyone noticed Tom Cruise has totally gone off the deep end?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>Are all priests rapists?  All Christians fundies?  The extremists are far
>from the norm.

Dude that kind of wacky anti psychiatry stuff is a fundamental part of
Scientology. It's also probably the most mundane part. It just gets
crazier afte rthat.
Puester - 25 Jun 2005 22:18 GMT
> Has anyone noticed Tom Cruise has totally gone off the deep end?
>
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> dangers of psychiatry and antidepressant during a promotional interview for
> WAR OF THE WORLDS."

I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
think you know ALL THE ANSWERS.

I feel sorry for his fiancee when she wises up to what an A-hole
he is.

gloria p
Nan - 25 Jun 2005 22:39 GMT
>I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
>plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
>think you know ALL THE ANSWERS.

I wondered about that!  His "I know the history of Psychology and you
don't" definitely rubbed me the wrong way.

>I feel sorry for his fiancee when she wises up to what an A-hole
>he is.

Normally, I'd wish everyone happiness, but he's become such a jerk in
recent years.

Nan
dejablues - 26 Jun 2005 03:34 GMT
> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Nan

I saw the replay on the net. Scary. Much as I want to go see "War of the
Worlds", I will boycott it. I do *not* want to support the $cientology cult
in any way.
Bell Jar - 26 Jun 2005 03:58 GMT
>> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
>> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> cult
> in any way.

It's not anymore a cult than any christian church is.
dejablues - 26 Jun 2005 04:40 GMT
> >> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
> >> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> It's not anymore a cult than any christian church is.

Oh? Please explain.
toto - 26 Jun 2005 22:22 GMT
>It's not anymore a cult than any christian church is.

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html

Time magazine article about Scientology from 1991.
More at the URL

The founder of this enterprise was part storyteller, part flimflam
man. Born In Nebraska in 1911, Hubbard served in the Navy
during World War II and soon afterward complained to the
Veterans Administration about his "suicidal inclinations" and
his "seriously affected" mind. Nevertheless, Hubbard was a
moderately successful writer of pulp science fiction. Years
later, church brochures described him falsely as an "extensively
decorated" World War II hero who was crippled and blinded in
action, twice pronounced dead and miraculously cured through
Scientology. Hubbard's "doctorate" from "Sequoia University"
was a fake mall-order degree. In a I984 case in which the church
sued a Hubbard biographical researcher, a California judge
concluded that its founder was "a pathological liar."

Hubbard wrote one of Scientology's sacred texts, Dianetics:
The Modern Science of Mental Health, in 1950. In it he
introduced a crude psychotherapeutic technique he called
"auditing." He also created a simplified lie detector (called an
"E-meter") that was designed to measure electrical changes In
the skin while subjects discussed intimate details of their past.
Hubbard argued that unhappiness sprang from mental
aberrations (or "engrams") caused by early traumas.
Counseling sessions with the E-meter, he claimed, could knock
out the engrams, cure blindness and even improve a person's
intelligence and appearance.

Hubbard kept adding steps, each more costly, for his followers
to climb. In the 1960s the guru decreed that humans are made
of clusters of spirits (or "thetans") who were banished to earth
some 75 million years ago by a cruel galactic ruler named
Xenu. Naturally, those thetans had to be audited.

An Internal Revenue Service ruling in 1967 stripped
Scientology's mother church of its tax-exempt status. A federal
court ruled in 1971 that Hubbard's medical claims were bogus
and that E-meter auditing could no longer be called a scientific
treatment. Hubbard responded by going fully religious, seeking
First Amendment protection for Scien- tology's strange rites.
His counselors started sporting clerical collars. Chapels were
built, franchises became "missions," fees became "fixed
donations," and Hubbard's comic-book cosmology became
"sacred scriptures.'

During the early 1970s, the IRS conducted its own auditing
sessions and proved that Hubbard was skimming millions of
dollars from the church, laundering the money through dummy
corporations in Panama and stashing it in Swiss bank accounts.
Moreover, church members stole IRS documents, filed false tax
returns and harassed the agency's employees. By late 1985,
with high-level defectors accusing Hubbard of having stolen as
much as S200 million from the church, the IRS was seeking an
indictment of Hubbard for tax fraud. Scientology members
"worked day and night" shredding documents the IRS sought,
according to defector Aznaran, who took part in the scheme.
Hubbard, who had been in hiding for five years, died before
the criminal case could be prosecuted.

Today the church invents costly new services with all the zeal
of its founder. Scientology doctrine warns that even adherents
who are "cleared" of engrams face grave spiritual dangers
unless they are pushed to higher and more expensive levels.
According to the church's latest price list, recruits -- "raw
meat," as Hubbard called them -- take auditing sessions that
cost as much as $1,000 an hour, or $12,500 for a 12 1/2-hour
"intensive."

Psychiatrists say these sessions can produce a drugged-like,
mind-controlled euphoria that keeps customers coming back
for more. To pay their fees, newcomers can earn commissions
by recruiting new members, become auditors themselves
(Miscavige did so at age 12), or join the church staff and
receive free counseling in exchange for what their written
contracts describe as a "billion years" of labor. "Make sure
that lots of bodies move through the shop," implored Hubbard
in one of his bulletins to officials. "Make money. Make more
money. Make others produce so as to make money . . . However
you get them in or why, just do it."

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits
Bateau - 27 Jun 2005 17:14 GMT
>>> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
>>> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>It's not anymore a cult than any christian church is.

The christian church don't consider their beliefs "trade secrets" and
sue people who disclose them. They don't ask for hundreds of thousands
of dollars before you can be "saved" either. Some of them do pester you
just as much though.
Bell Jar - 26 Jun 2005 03:59 GMT
>> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
>> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> cult
> in any way.

why do you say "$cientology" and not Scientology?
I have always wondered why ppl did that.
dejablues - 26 Jun 2005 04:39 GMT
> >> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
> >> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> why do you say "$cientology" and not Scientology?
> I have always wondered why ppl did that.

For the same reason people type p0rn, or pr0n. $cientologists troll the net
for references to their cult, and target people as such.
Not that I'm afraid of them in any way.
Bateau - 27 Jun 2005 17:14 GMT
>> >> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
>> >> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>for references to their cult, and target people as such.
>Not that I'm afraid of them in any way.

It's to emphasise that it's a money based cult. Like Micro$oft.
dejablues - 28 Jun 2005 03:40 GMT
> >> >> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
> >> >> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> It's to emphasise that it's a money based cult. Like Micro$oft.

Yes, that too.
Nan - 26 Jun 2005 05:12 GMT
>I saw the replay on the net. Scary. Much as I want to go see "War of the
>Worlds", I will boycott it. I do *not* want to support the $cientology cult
>in any way.

Oh, I plan to see the movie once it's released on dvd.  
The whole thing about him hiring someone to keep Kate Holmes "on the
path" is sort of scary, to me.

Nan
Mermaid - 26 Jun 2005 19:18 GMT
> >I saw the replay on the net. Scary. Much as I want to go see "War of the
> >Worlds", I will boycott it. I do *not* want to support the $cientology cult
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Nan

He is surely scary Nan.  While I don't embrace what Kat is saying about
$cientology not being a cult I do think that she is right that this man has
taken it to an extreme and is out of the norm.  He is a hedonist.

Anni
Nan - 27 Jun 2005 00:29 GMT
>He is surely scary Nan.  While I don't embrace what Kat is saying about
>$cientology not being a cult I do think that she is right that this man has
>taken it to an extreme and is out of the norm.  He is a hedonist.

Ayup, and he's got the Big Bux that the "Church" so loves.

Nan
Bateau - 27 Jun 2005 17:17 GMT
>>He is surely scary Nan.  While I don't embrace what Kat is saying about
>>$cientology not being a cult I do think that she is right that this man has
>>taken it to an extreme and is out of the norm.  He is a hedonist.
>
>Ayup, and he's got the Big Bux that the "Church" so loves.

It's his popularity that they really want. So he can make Scientology
cool.
Bateau - 27 Jun 2005 17:12 GMT
>> >I saw the interview and I think he was condescending, smug, and just
>> >plain rude.  But then I've been told that Scientology makes you
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Worlds", I will boycott it. I do *not* want to support the $cientology cult
>in any way.

Just download it.
Bateau - 27 Jun 2005 17:12 GMT
>> Has anyone noticed Tom Cruise has totally gone off the deep end?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>I feel sorry for his fiancee when she wises up to what an A-hole
>he is.

I thought Matt Lauer was just a pretty boy but he handled himself quite
well judging by that transcript.
 
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