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Family Forum / Parenting / Mothers / June 2005FAO: Kara
Question for you. If you were at a swim meet. The timers are timing their lanes. People are standing around wanting to check times to see if the child beat their previous times and see who won. The folks by the lanes see two kids come in almost (almost meaning they couldn't swear they absolutely touched at the same time but it is very very very close if not simultaneous). The timers however, show a 2 second difference between those two kids times. Would you say that the people standing around saying it was simultaneous were right or the timers? I will tell you more when I get your answer. Anni > Question for you. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > say that the people standing around saying it was simultaneous were right or > the timers? Timers. It is their JOB to take and record times to the BEST OF THEIR ABILITY. When you swim in year-round competitive leagues, there is a pad at the end of the lane that gets the times by touch. If this fails (which it often does- people touch wrong, it malfunctions, etc) they go immediately to the watch times and average the two for the final times. This is the person's time. NO ifs, ands or buts about about! If you would give the parents/spectators that privelege, there would be absolutely NO order to the swim meets what so ever. Coaches would then be able to time their own swimmers and argue the times and on and on. In our league, however, there are place judges that record STRICTLY which order the kids touched in. That way, if there are any descrepencies with the times, they can refer to the place judge and vice versa. > I will tell you more when I get your answer. I'm interested to hear the whole story! I'm sure you would probably appreciate this story... Last year it started to storm during one of our meets. We watched the radar and continued to wait the declared time after each bolt of lighting/round of thunder. After waiting for nearly an hour, our coaches (one being my brother) went to the other coaches in attempts to get them to cancel. They wouldn't because they were CERTAIN it would clear up. We called all *4* weather stations and talked to *2* chief meteorologists (one of whom mentioned our call during his broadcast) and they all said to cancel because it wouldn't be ending any time soon. The other coaches started sending over swimmers to sneak a peak at the score to decide whether or not they would cancel (aka- if they were winning, they'd cancel and if they were losing, they would NOT cancel). My mom is/was the scorer and wouldn't allow them to see the score and the back-up scorer (a mom from the other team) wouldn't even let them see the score! It turned into a FIESTY little exchange. We ended up calling our parents rep who is ALSO in charge of the whole league but she was out of town. She said the coaches needed to have each team's parent rep meet to discuss it and she named a parent rep in her place. They didn't even have to talk more than 2 minutes to know it needed to be cancelled. The other coaches were SOOOO rude. The tone of voice they used with our coaches and their condescending attitudes were ridiculous. In the end, they ended up winning which made them look even more ridiculous. HOWEVER, sweet revenge was on our side this year and we beat them by a LOT 2 weeks ago! Yayy! Would > you > > say that the people standing around saying it was simultaneous were right [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I'm interested to hear the whole story! Well I thought you'd say Timers. But I had to see it for myself. The opposing team decided since the 2 seconds went in our favor that they'd call us cheaters and leave. harumph! The coach actually wanted to just leave it all be. The judge for their team decided we were cheating. She being very young and immature (those attributes don't always go together but it describes her) was not willing to let it go. Within minutes she said she'd forfiet to us cheaters and leave with her team. I know the coach was embarrassed but she let the parents and this girl have their way. It was horrifying to me... how can parents and this girl be so ridiculous. The problem here was they were losing and she knew that. My guess is if she had been winning she would have let it go and not even paid much attention to two stinking seconds on a watch. AS well I think this girl was upset because our team had a disqualifying judge this gal didn't care for the calls. The DQ judge stated on the loud speaker: "I'm the only person stepping forward to do this job as DQ judge. If you want it come and get it... I don't have to do this if anyone else from the other teams wants to do this!" No one stepped forward. I hope this doesn't have deeper reprecussions. > I'm sure you would probably appreciate this story... > Last year it started to storm during one of our meets. We watched the radar [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > HOWEVER, sweet revenge was on our side this year and we beat them by a LOT 2 > weeks ago! Yayy! I think I remembered you telling this story... it had deeper meaning for me now. Ridiculous! Glad you beat them. We will be in the end championship soon and I don't wish any ill on this team but I don't wish them much luck either in the end! GRRRRRRRRRRRR! Anni > Well I thought you'd say Timers. But I had to see it for myself. :) > The opposing team decided since the 2 seconds went in our favor that they'd > call us cheaters and leave. harumph! Ohhhhh my goshhhhhhh! That is RIDICULOUS! > The coach actually wanted to just leave it all be. The judge for their team > decided we were cheating. She being very young and immature (those > attributes don't always go together but it describes her) was not willing > to let it go. Within minutes she said she'd forfiet to us cheaters and leave > with her team. I know the coach was embarrassed but she let the parents and > this girl have their way. Wow!!! I would be TOTALLY ashamed to be on this team! What type of lesson is this teaching these kids? First of all they accuse people of cheating when things aren't in their favor. What a SORRY excuse! Second of all they just give up and leave? That's just horrible! I'm sorry but if I were one of the parents from that team, I'd seriously consider calling it quits until this girl got her act together or she was replaced! > It was horrifying to me... how can parents and this girl be so ridiculous. > The problem here was they were losing and she knew that. My guess is if she [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it... I don't have to do this if anyone else from the other teams wants to > do this!" No one stepped forward. Ooooh that is SO obnoxious!! If no one else is going to get off their rear end and do it then they have ABSOLUTELY no right to complain about how well she is doing the job. Sort of like people who don't vote have NO right to complain about the winning candidate AT ALL. I can guarantee you that she would have brushed it off if they were winning! I highly doubt it was so close that winning this event would have put them in the lead! Give me a break! > I hope this doesn't have deeper reprecussions. I do too. If anything, though, it would have negative repercussions on the OTHER team...not yours! They have absolutely NO factual argument against you guys! > I think I remembered you telling this story... it had deeper meaning for me > now. Ridiculous! > > Glad you beat them. Same here! It wasn't even CLOSE this year. Unfortunately our strongest events are and always have been back, fly and I.M. which are at the end of the meet for us so we probably WOULD have won last year (they were winning by 3 after breastroke) if we finished the whole meet. Oh well! > We will be in the end championship soon and I don't wish any ill on this > team but I don't wish them much luck either in the end! Oooooh I hope you guys do REALLY well to spite them!! There might actually be some good kids/parents on that team...unfortunately it just takes one or two people to poison the whole group! Ick! > GRRRRRRRRRRRR! Good luck, Anni!! Hope things are MUCH smoother from here on out! -Kara. > Wow!!! I would be TOTALLY ashamed to be on this team! What type of lesson is > this teaching these kids? First of all they accuse people of cheating when > things aren't in their favor. What a SORRY excuse! Second of all they just > give up and leave? That's just horrible! I agree... I wanted to know more about how the parents felt. We skipped practice today to go meet up with a friend of mine. We will see. The DQ judge stated on the loud speaker: "I'm the only person > > stepping forward to do this job as DQ judge. If you want it come and get > > it... I don't have to do this if anyone else from the other teams wants to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > she is doing the job. Sort of like people who don't vote have NO right to > complain about the winning candidate AT ALL. I would think she should speak her mind but realize in the end it is just how it is with the timer and she needs to be glad it is that way. If the tables were turned she'd be glad that is a rule. > I can guarantee you that she would have brushed it off if they were winning! > I highly doubt it was so close that winning this event would have put them > in the lead! Give me a break! Oh I know that is true... they were not far behind but I think something snapped for her somehow. She likely knew that her team didn't have what it took to catch up and this just sent her over the edge. We have timers on all lanes and some of their timers were on our kids and vice versa... it is just how it is... no one cheats. > > I hope this doesn't have deeper reprecussions. > > I do too. If anything, though, it would have negative repercussions on the > OTHER team...not yours! They have absolutely NO factual argument against you > guys! No I don't think so... if it had been more than 2 seconds (and I know seconds count) I would have been wondering why they wouldn't just do it over (if they even can). But 2 seconds???? > > I think I remembered you telling this story... it had deeper meaning for > me [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the meet for us so we probably WOULD have won last year (they were winning > by 3 after breastroke) if we finished the whole meet. Oh well! We were in the finals last year and we came in 2nd after we had to stop because of weather also... it was said the same thing happened to us. We would have come in 1st because our strongest events are at the end. Anyhow... I realized it was okay... my dd loves the swimming. If we ever got to this point where it became more important to win than it is for the kids to enjoy themselves, learn and build skill I know many of our parents would pull their kids. > Good luck, Anni!! Hope things are MUCH smoother from here on out! > > -Kara. Thanks Kara! Anni |
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