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Caroline - 22 Sep 2005 02:40 GMT
Any mothers here home school?  If you do what approach do you take (reg
school hours or just continous learning)?  Any advice would be great :)

Caroline
just me - 22 Sep 2005 03:10 GMT
Caroline mentioned in passing :

> Any mothers here home school?  If you do what approach do you take
> (reg school hours or just continous learning)?  Any advice would be
> great :)

Hi Caroline -

we home school.  DS is now 10, in fourth grade. my husband does the official
stuff. i work out of the home.  We use the unschooling philosophy, meaning
nearly everything can be called educational if you frame it correctly.  As
DS has gotten older we have increased the sit down time an hour per grade
level, so now in fourth grade he has about 4 hours of scheduled sit down
time daily.  Husband may vary that with one day being shorter for a field
trip type thing, etc., depending on what is planned.  Since the learning is
child interest led, we build activities around that.  The current main theme
is ancient egypt, which allows spin off to written and reading assignments,
history, discussion of impact of religions on culture, etc. Add to that our
move last year from FL to VT and DS is writing letters to friends back there
as part of his regular activities.

what state are you in?  what age[s] are you child[ren]?  are you already
homeschooling or trying to figure out how to do it or somewhere in between?
we found very active homeschool on line networks, and RL communities in both
states. perhaps there are some near you, too.  there is nothing so helpful
as a friend whom you can call on the phone to talk over the most recent
homeschool quandry, iykwim.....  :-)

-Aula, in VT, mom to DS10

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Kat - 22 Sep 2005 03:24 GMT
We co-school.

> Any mothers here home school?  If you do what approach do you take (reg
> school hours or just continous learning)?  Any advice would be great :)
>
> Caroline
Fer - 23 Sep 2005 20:35 GMT
What is co-school?

Jenn
> We co-school.
>
> > Any mothers here home school?  If you do what approach do you take (reg
> > school hours or just continous learning)?  Any advice would be great :)
> >
> > Caroline
Kat - 24 Sep 2005 12:15 GMT
> What is co-school?
>
> Jenn

I do some of the lessons and the school does some of the lessons.  The
school and I work together.
Fer - 23 Sep 2005 20:39 GMT
We just started homeschooling my daughter this year (grade 4).  So far we
are working with the school board but after the end of next month or so we
are going to take stock and see if it is the route we want to take (or
continue on our own).   She does anywhere for 1-4 hours of book work
depending on the subjects we cover that day.  With that said we try to
continue her learning all day long.  It truly is amazing how many subjects
can be covered by day to day activities.

Cheers
Jenn
> Any mothers here home school?  If you do what approach do you take (reg
> school hours or just continous learning)?  Any advice would be great :)
>
> Caroline
PdB - 27 Sep 2005 23:11 GMT
> Any mothers here home school?  If you do what approach do you take (reg
> school hours or just continous learning)?  Any advice would be great :)
>
> Caroline

During the years that I've posted here, I've read many threads on home
schooling... since the concept is quite unheard of over here (although
it might happen in certain situations), I've always wondered about:
- the social aspect: the kids don't socialize with others in a school
setting. Do you specifically compensate this by making sure they are
involved in other social events, such as sports clubs?
- the relationship aspect: isn't it hard to combine a parent-child
relationship with a teacher-student relationship?
- the teaching aspect: how can you be sure you're cut out to be a
teacher? Apart from the fact that a natural talent comes in handy, it
requires certain skills that professional teachers pick up during
several years of training.

Peter
Marie - 28 Sep 2005 04:13 GMT
>During the years that I've posted here, I've read many threads on home
>schooling... since the concept is quite unheard of over here (although
>it might happen in certain situations), I've always wondered about:
>- the social aspect: the kids don't socialize with others in a school
>setting. Do you specifically compensate this by making sure they are
>involved in other social events, such as sports clubs?

You are correct; most of us make sure the kids spend lots of time with
other children. There are groups of homeschoolers that meet once a
week or so (it is different for each group).

>- the relationship aspect: isn't it hard to combine a parent-child
>relationship with a teacher-student relationship?

I find it to be very easy, actually. When I "taught" my toddlers to
walk, or use the toilet, or speak properly, I was a parent. Teaching
does not come to an end just because it is September and the child is
the legal age for kindergarten. Teaching/learning is a natural part of
life.

>- the teaching aspect: how can you be sure you're cut out to be a
>teacher? Apart from the fact that a natural talent comes in handy, it
>requires certain skills that professional teachers pick up during
>several years of training.

I disagree that teaching requires skills picked up over years of
training. I taught two of my children to read at age 5 with absolutely
no teaching experience (my other child is only 2). In the early years,
teaching necessary concepts is not hard at all. By the time the child
is old enough to learn the more difficult concepts, he can pretty much
learn on his own, or go to a class. Just as there are different
teachers for different subjects in public school, not all parents can
teach all subjects. There are homeschool classes, or an uncle or a
cousin who is willing to help. And I have learned that many parents
tend to learn along with the child.
Of course, some parents who try to homeschool are not cut out to be a
teacher. But for the typical homeschooler, it's not an issue.
Marie
PdB - 29 Sep 2005 19:33 GMT
>>During the years that I've posted here, I've read many threads on home
>>schooling... since the concept is quite unheard of over here (although
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> other children. There are groups of homeschoolers that meet once a
> week or so (it is different for each group).

Wouldn't work here... the latter, I mean. It requires other
homeschoolers in your area ;-)

>>- the relationship aspect: isn't it hard to combine a parent-child
>>relationship with a teacher-student relationship?
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> the legal age for kindergarten. Teaching/learning is a natural part of
> life.

That is very true. On the other hand... potty training or math class are
two different things, IMO. However.... to what extent do you copy
'school procedures'? I mean, do you give them tests the same way they
would get them in school? How do you simulate group assignments?

> I disagree that teaching requires skills picked up over years of
> training. I taught two of my children to read at age 5 with absolutely
> no teaching experience (my other child is only 2). In the early years,
> teaching necessary concepts is not hard at all.

Good thing you added that... ;-) I'd say teaching kids at an early age
is more of a playful thing anyway. It starts becoming more serious as
they get older. I find that conveying information to children, based on
a certain series of books or concept or whatever, DOES require training.
Let me put it this way... I wouldn't feel comfortable if I'd be in a
position where it's MY responsibility to teach my children everything
they need to know... instead of a teacher who is doing the same thing
professionally. You almost make it sound like elementary school teachers
really don't NEED to be trained for what they do!

> By the time the child
> is old enough to learn the more difficult concepts, he can pretty much
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> cousin who is willing to help. And I have learned that many parents
> tend to learn along with the child.

I suppose it would work that way. But homeschool classes... that would
come down to a combination between home schooling and a traditional
school situation, but only for certain classes?

> Of course, some parents who try to homeschool are not cut out to be a
> teacher. But for the typical homeschooler, it's not an issue.

Okay :-) Still admire anyone who does it, though... I suppose it is
something that you have to be absolutely sure about... as well as very
motivated.

Peter
just me - 29 Sep 2005 22:38 GMT
PdB mentioned in passing :

>> You are correct; most of us make sure the kids spend lots of time
>> with other children. There are groups of homeschoolers that meet
>> once a week or so (it is different for each group).
>
> Wouldn't work here... the latter, I mean. It requires other
> homeschoolers in your area ;-)

There are a few homeschoolers near us, so DS gets together with the one boy
his age from time to time, and we do group 'class trips' so to speak.  But,
DS also plays with neighbor children nearly daily, participates in scouting,
and has been in other organized groups over the years.  One deffinitely does
not need to attend school in order to socialize.  In fact, most schools
prohibit socializing except in certain very scheduled and relatively brief
parts of the day.  Social skills, otoh, are best learned from older
individuals who have learned how to practice them well, not from other
children the same age who are at about the same developmental level and
generally just as clueless about the same skills.  Social skills can then be
practice in multi-age groups and one:one in many varied venues, without ever
entering a school building.

> That is very true. On the other hand... potty training or math class
> are two different things, IMO. However.... to what extent do you copy
> 'school procedures'? I mean, do you give them tests the same way they
> would get them in school? How do you simulate group assignments?

Well, that is a can of worms. There are quite a few different philosphies
which various homeschooling parents ascribe to. We, for example, utilize
much of the "unschooling" philosophy, while recognizing that our particular
child requires some structured sit down time to engage in formal math and
writing assignments. So, he gets education in a variety of ways, from Sat.
a.m. with me on an outing where we happen to encounter a good learning
opportunity, to sit down with math and husband from 9-10 m-f.  In other
words, as the child's needs dictate.  Testing, well that is also an area
subject to many varied approaches. There are homeschoolers who essentially
just import the classroom into their kitchen, using canned curriculua with a
specific text book series and canned tests  at ascribed times. There are
those who give tests when the child is demonstrating a readiness to pass it,
having shown they have learned the skill set.  There are those somewhere in
between.  Then, overlay that with many States that give the option [or in
some cases requirement] that in order for a child to move from one grade to
the next they must pass a stated standardized test. Group activities, well,
it depends on the homeschooler [again!].  When we were in Florida we had a
large network of homeschoolers to join in activities with, either ad hoc, or
organized and announced ahead of time. DS went on various museum, music,
art, science and similar events with the planned, monthly trips of larger
groups.  Husband would also get together with certain parents with kids whom
DS particularly got along well with for ad hoc, let's go on a nature hike to
observe xyz phenomenon tomorrow type of thing. Those happened several times
monthly, limited only by resources and imagination.

> I suppose it would work that way. But homeschool classes... that would
> come down to a combination between home schooling and a traditional
> school situation, but only for certain classes?

See above, about it depending on the resources available, the philosophy of
the parent[s], and the needs/interests of the child.  I have also observed
that families with one or two children to homeschool are able to be much
more flexible and utilize unschooling philosophy than those with several
children [ie: 6 kids].  In order for the parent to make certain that all
children are making reasonable progress, it them becomes important for the
*parent* to be structured in their use of their time, which often means they
find it easiest to structure a 'school day' similarly to public schools.
But, again, ymmv.

-Aula, husband homeschools DS10, now in grade 4
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Marie - 30 Sep 2005 04:29 GMT
>> You are correct; most of us make sure the kids spend lots of time with
>> other children. There are groups of homeschoolers that meet once a
>> week or so (it is different for each group).
>
>Wouldn't work here... the latter, I mean. It requires other
>homeschoolers in your area ;-)

Well when we haven't had the homeschool group, my kids just played
with other kids...in the neighborhood, cousins, at the park. (they
still do now of course)

>That is very true. On the other hand... potty training or math class are
>two different things, IMO. However.... to what extent do you copy
>'school procedures'? I mean, do you give them tests the same way they
>would get them in school? How do you simulate group assignments?

I do not need to give tests because I work with the kids myself and
can see whether they are getting the concept. As for group
assignments...any group of kids working together is learning to work
as a group. Some examples I'm thinking of are building a dam in a
stream, legos, and sports.

>> I disagree that teaching requires skills picked up over years of
>> training. I taught two of my children to read at age 5 with absolutely
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>professionally. You almost make it sound like elementary school teachers
>really don't NEED to be trained for what they do!

I honestly didn't really want to get into that part. I can safely say
that I have been able to teach my own children without training up to
5th grade so far. If I were teaching 20+ kids the same thing, at the
same rate and teaching to a test as so many are having to do, then I'm
sure I'd need some kind of training. But because my children have
one-on-one education (or one-on-two, sometimes three if the toddler
wants to do "school" in my case) there are no rigid schedules to
follow, and I can go by each child's learning style instead of having
to teach and just hope they get it before a test.

>I suppose it would work that way. But homeschool classes... that would
>come down to a combination between home schooling and a traditional
>school situation, but only for certain classes?

I actually do not have experience with that. My kids do go to art
classes at our county arts center and are in a choir, but I consider
those to be extracurricular, like drama, and sports. Some homeschool
classes (and homes, actually) are very much like a school setting but
I personally wouldn't be interested. I haven't gotten to the point yet
where I am not able to teach a certain concept. Either my husband
explains it or we look it up.
Marie
Kat - 29 Sep 2005 01:38 GMT
> During the years that I've posted here, I've read many threads on home
> schooling... since the concept is quite unheard of over here (although it
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Peter

There are good HS'ers and then there are the HS'ser like this:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=41383

Man who ran 'home schooling' program indicted on several counts of rape

Created: 9/28/2005 1:33:17 PM
Updated:9/28/2005 7:31:16 PM

CLEVELAND -- One man is in jail facing life in prison and his companion is
dead after child-molesting charges come to light in two west-side suburbs.
A grand jury has indicted Phillip Distasio on several counts of raping boys,
ages 11 and 12.

When a warrant was issued for Distasio's companion and roommate at a Rocky
River townhouse, the roommate had hanged himself in the Metroparks.

The county prosecutor says they targeted autistic boys and put proof of
their deeds up on the internet.

"A preview of the computer had child pornography on two victims we indicted
him for today," said Cuyahoga County Prosecutor William D. Mason.

Distasio, if convicted, could face up to 300-years in prison. Authorities
hope to hear from parents of other boys he may have victimized.

     © 2005

     WKYC-TV
enigma - 29 Sep 2005 12:31 GMT
>> During the years that I've posted here, I've read many
>> threads on home schooling... since the concept is quite
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Man who ran 'home schooling' program indicted on several
> counts of rape

wait... that's not homeschooling. that's running a private
school. if they aren't your kids or part of a homeschool
cooperative, then it's an illegal private school when you're
teaching someone else's kids.

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Kat - 29 Sep 2005 16:29 GMT
>>> During the years that I've posted here, I've read many
>>> threads on home schooling... since the concept is quite
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> lee

I don't think they were doing the teaching, but activities.  It's one of the
huge home school co-ops in the area ... VERY born again. figures.
Dizzysmamma - 29 Sep 2005 17:03 GMT
>> wait... that's not homeschooling. that's running a private
>> school. if they aren't your kids or part of a homeschool
>> cooperative, then it's an illegal private school when you're
>> teaching someone else's kids.
>>
>> lee

Not necessarily illegal.  Some states allow the opening of "charter"
schools.  There is a process but from what I remember of the story I saw
about it several years ago its not that hard to do.

Angela
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Mermaid - 29 Sep 2005 18:28 GMT
> >> wait... that's not homeschooling. that's running a private
> >> school. if they aren't your kids or part of a homeschool
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> Angela
> --

I know there are pre-schools where the parents co-op the teachign and
activities... each parent takes the group for a week and they have a set
curiculum.  I know they do this with other grades of schooling too.  Parents
with different stengths in teaching can do different things.  Some kids even
join a school for a day a week if they need to.

Anni>
just me - 29 Sep 2005 22:26 GMT
Dizzysmamma mentioned in passing :

> Not necessarily illegal.  Some states allow the opening of "charter"
> schools.  There is a process but from what I remember of the story I
> saw about it several years ago its not that hard to do.

While thatis true, they are officially sanctioned by, and often a part of,
the public school system and are most deffinitely not homeschoolers in any
way shape or manner.

-Aula

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Dizzysmamma - 30 Sep 2005 00:02 GMT
> Dizzysmamma mentioned in passing :
>>>
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>
> -Aula

Uh Huh.  Like I said there is a process and I'm sure part of that is
approval from a school board.

Angela
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