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just me - 22 Sep 2005 22:20 GMT Sorry, but i couldn't come up with a catchy subject line.
My boss walked into my office just before the end of the work day today to let me know that one of the ambulance teams from Brattleboro had just been dispatched to somewhere in Texas to do whatever is needed. They took an ambulance with them [this is a commercial service that has an exclusive contract, iirc, with the town.] Sounds like folks are taking more precautions with Rita. For those of you from far away parts, that team is going from the very north eastern part of the US to the central most southern area - probably about 2000 miles. They are on standby to send a *second* team and ambulance if need be.
-Aula
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Mermaid - 23 Sep 2005 01:47 GMT > Sorry, but i couldn't come up with a catchy subject line. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we > have lost in information? - T.S. Elliot I hope they are taking more precautions! I'm glad to hear that they are getting a move on.
Anni
Kara H - 23 Sep 2005 02:56 GMT > I hope they are taking more precautions! I'm glad to hear that they are > getting a move on. Absolutely. The governor of TX has sent in busses and airplanes to ship people out BEFORE the storm hits. Many, many busloads have already left and they are running low on the number of busses left and are urging people to leave NOW. They are flying over 9,000 people out of the area starting tomorrow- it sounds like those flying are mostly from hospitals, nursing homes, etc.
-Kara.
Mermaid - 23 Sep 2005 02:09 GMT > > I hope they are taking more precautions! I'm glad to hear that they are > > getting a move on. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -Kara. That is good.
I heard today there are still some who are staying in Galveston. Health reasons, pet reasons and just plain disbelief that this will hit. I have no doubt they have learned things from this last disaster... hopefully relief will come quickly too.
Anni
Kara H - 23 Sep 2005 03:14 GMT > I heard today there are still some who are staying in Galveston. Health > reasons, pet reasons and just plain disbelief that this will hit. I have > no > doubt they have learned things from this last disaster... hopefully relief > will come quickly too. The mayor of Galveston reportedly told people they will do EVERYTHING in their power to get them out. If they needed help, they would help them. BUT, he said that they can not expect them to have people out there to save them if they choose to stay. He said people often assume the little church down the street will be opened as a shelter the day after, etc. and that probably won't happen because this storm is so serious.
I really hope these people listen. They are offering to help them get out so right now, there's not really any excuse.
One lady interviewed on the news was saying that she is waiting because she heard traffic was bad. Sorry lady, but get out NOW because it's not going to be any better anytime soon! Yikes!
-Kara.
Mermaid - 23 Sep 2005 04:22 GMT > > I heard today there are still some who are staying in Galveston. Health > > reasons, pet reasons and just plain disbelief that this will hit. I have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -Kara. I understand fuel is very short, highwys are clogged and airlines are jammed.
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Kara H - 23 Sep 2005 06:47 GMT > I understand fuel is very short, highwys are clogged and airlines are > jammed. Right, which is why the governor is offering to help people get out- really so there is NO excuse. Highways are clogged but it's better to sit in traffic on the highway than to decide to stay home! Airlines aren't really a very good alternative but it sounds like tomorrow they are shutting down the airport and using all of the planes to get the 9,000 (and growing) people that need to be evacuated out. We won't go into the idiots who take a tragedy like this and use it to their own benefit- they are ALREADY price gauging gas and other items.
All I am saying is that there really is NOT an excuse this time. There is alternative after alternative and the state and local government are telling the people they will help. If people don't ask for their help, they are putting THEMSELVES in this situation. While it is harsh to tell them not to expect help immediately following the hurricane, it's reality. When you have options out there and your refuse to take them, the government can only do so much. I think people who have alternatives and choose not to take them are very selfish.
Hopefully, though, people have learned and are using the help the government has offered and getting OUT! I am not hearing as many stories as I did pre-Katrina about people staying for this miniscule reason or that. Sadly it took something so devastating as Katrina for people to learn.
I am crossing my fingers on this one. There are all different reports with people saying it could lessen to a Cat3 and others saying the winds might get stronger before landfall. All I know is that it is a MONSTER storm (looks even scarier than Katrina on radar) and I really feel for those in its path.
-Kara.
just me - 23 Sep 2005 10:57 GMT Kara H mentioned in passing :
>> I understand fuel is very short, highwys are clogged and airlines are >> jammed. > > Right, which is why the governor is offering to help people get out- > really so there is NO excuse. Highways are clogged but it's better to > sit in traffic on the highway than to decide to stay home! I'm just waking up, and am waiting for the news to tell us if the highways have cleared out, but let me share just one thing with you: we knew, whenI lived in Brevard County Florida, that if everyone who lived there actually decided to evacuate for a hurricane, that the highways would be in gridlock and there would be a significant number of people sitting in their cars on I-95 and SR-528 [the main highways] when the hurricane caught up with them. That is Very Bad, to put things mildly. And there, we had many less people than are trying to evacuate Huston area *and* the interstates were *immediately* made one way when traffic density reached a particular point. I am very very worried about all those people in all those cars in Texas. I really really really hope things have improved significantly overnight and that their roads are nearly clear now.
-Aula
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kiticat - 23 Sep 2005 14:53 GMT >>I heard today there are still some who are staying in Galveston. Health >>reasons, pet reasons and just plain disbelief that this will hit. I have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -Kara. You have a lot of trust in authorities Kara, Im not sure I do here, or in any other country in such a circumstance where so many people are involved.
I wish it had been possible to get everyone who wanted to drive out of Galveston out *before* Houston was evacuated as it seems to me Galveston is very very vulnerable. (Im not sure of the evacuation timeline though, perhaps 'they' tried to do that?)
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enigma - 23 Sep 2005 15:38 GMT
> You have a lot of trust in authorities Kara, Im not sure I > do here, or in any other country in such a circumstance > where so many people are involved. lots of equally stupid mistakes being made by the "authorities" in this case too. BTW, if you can get streaming audio, NPR has tapes of the phone meetings prior to Katrina that show just how badly the governor & mayors/parish presidents in Louisiana were lied to. the taped meetings start 3 days *before* the storm. it's sad.
> I wish it had been possible to get everyone who wanted to > drive out of Galveston out *before* Houston was evacuated > as it seems to me Galveston is very very vulnerable. (Im > not sure of the evacuation timeline though, perhaps 'they' > tried to do that?) Galveston was requested to evacuate starting Wednesday. they were *ordered* to evacuate yesterday, but there was already a huge jam by then. Houston residents that didn't evacuate Wednesday morning basicly don't have a choice. they're stuck. better to be stuck in a house than on the road in a car though. lee
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Kara H - 23 Sep 2005 16:29 GMT > You have a lot of trust in authorities Kara, Im not sure I do here, or in > any other country in such a circumstance where so many people are > involved. I trust them because I, personally, heard them say it in their press conferences. It's up to the people to LISTEN. No, I don't think this is going to prevent ALL deaths but it is MILES beyond where Texas' neighbors were 3 weeks ago.
> I wish it had been possible to get everyone who wanted to drive out of > Galveston out *before* Houston was evacuated as it seems to me Galveston > is very very vulnerable. (Im not sure of the evacuation timeline though, > perhaps 'they' tried to do that?) They've been trying to evacuate people from Galveston for the past 3-4 days at least- offering government help and sending busloads out for the entire duration. The clogged highway situation is very scary, yes, but it's still NOT an excuse not to leave.
-Kara.
enigma - 23 Sep 2005 12:38 GMT >> > I hope they are taking more precautions! I'm glad to >> > hear that they are getting a move on. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > learned things from this last disaster... hopefully relief > will come quickly too. none of those reasons are valid. TX did learn a few things from NOLA & all people with health issues were evacuated starting Wednesday. pets were allowed on the evacuation busses, in fact, it was encouraged to bring the pets. (now feral dogs in NOLA are quite a problem. it seems as if a good 80+% of dogs there were pits or pit crosses, rotties, chows or mastiffs). anyone who stayed, especially in Galveston, is just plain dense. i do know people who are staying put in Huston, but it's not because they want to. it's because the traffic out is so bad they'd likely be stuck in a car when Rita hits and they'd just as soon take chances with thier house instead. they do have food, water, batteries & lamp oil, charcoal & medication for a month though... plus extra gas for the car, which is on higher ground away from trees & buildings & has a full tank, in case they can go after the storm passes. he says it's less than ideal, but it'll have to do. lee
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Nan - 23 Sep 2005 14:23 GMT >i do know people who are staying put in Huston, but >it's not because they want to. it's because the traffic out is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >it's less than ideal, but it'll have to do. >lee I read a report that it was taking people *6 hours* to travel 45 miles, and that cars were running out of gas and breaking down. I think I'd rather be in my house than on the highway, too.
Nan
kiticat - 23 Sep 2005 14:47 GMT >>i do know people who are staying put in Huston, but >>it's not because they want to. it's because the traffic out is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nan Same here, either the traffic will clear in which case you can do that 45 miles in less than an hour or it wont and you'd be stuck in that awful heat with lots of fear and uncertainty as to if you'd make it out of the jam with enough gas to get anywhere useful. There is no point in sitting in a car all day getting nowhere.
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Nan - 23 Sep 2005 17:20 GMT >Same here, either the traffic will clear in which case you can do that >45 miles in less than an hour or it wont and you'd be stuck in that >awful heat with lots of fear and uncertainty as to if you'd make it out >of the jam with enough gas to get anywhere useful. There is no point in >sitting in a car all day getting nowhere. Exactly. There are serious gas shortages now, too. National Guardsmen have been sent to supply fuel to stranded motorists.
Nan
Mermaid - 23 Sep 2005 16:05 GMT > >i do know people who are staying put in Huston, but > >it's not because they want to. it's because the traffic out is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nan What a toss up. I dont' know. I remember a family in NOLA that knew the road would certainly kill their family member who needed round the clock oxygen. They couldn't get enough to be on the road for days so they stayed. Alot to consider in a situation like this. It is certainly cooler now than it was when K hit LA but still way too hot to sit on a road. Hope they have water.
Anni
Nan - 23 Sep 2005 17:18 GMT >What a toss up. I dont' know. I remember a family in NOLA that knew the >road would certainly kill their family member who needed round the clock >oxygen. They couldn't get enough to be on the road for days so they stayed. >Alot to consider in a situation like this. It is certainly cooler now than >it was when K hit LA but still way too hot to sit on a road. Hope they have >water. Yes, it is a hard decision to make. As bad as this may sound, I sort of hope NO gets hit instead. The city is already destroyed, and (hopefully) there aren't any hold-outs staying after the mayor ordered an evacuation.
Nan
Kara H - 23 Sep 2005 16:32 GMT > I read a report that it was taking people *6 hours* to travel 45 > miles, and that cars were running out of gas and breaking down. > I think I'd rather be in my house than on the highway, too. Yes, in Houston, *maybe*. However, if my house were in Galveston- NO WAY!
-Kara.
Nan - 23 Sep 2005 17:20 GMT >> I read a report that it was taking people *6 hours* to travel 45 >> miles, and that cars were running out of gas and breaking down. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >-Kara. I agree, but by the time Galveston was ordered to evacuate, the roads were already jammed for 100s of miles.
Nan
Kat - 26 Sep 2005 01:12 GMT >>> I read a report that it was taking people *6 hours* to travel 45 >>> miles, and that cars were running out of gas and breaking down. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nan That doesn't really matter now does it??? There is NO excuse! ok .. just an FYI, you know (but others won't) that I'm being sarcastic.
Nan - 26 Sep 2005 04:43 GMT >That doesn't really matter now does it??? There is NO excuse! >ok .. just an FYI, you know (but others won't) that I'm being sarcastic. You? Sarcastic? Nahhhhh <G>
Nan
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