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The Baby and the Lion

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Tommy - 18 Jan 2006 08:59 GMT
This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.

ONE DAY, a man and a woman were sitting in their living room when an African
lion, escaped from the zoo, wandered through their screen door and into
their baby's room. The man whispered, "We've got to save our baby!" and
leaped for his rifle. But the woman leapt up to stop him. "Wait!" she
cried. "Why are you reacting so quickly?" "What do you mean?" the man
asked.

The woman pointed her finger at him. "How do you know the lion means any
harm to our baby?" she demanded. "I guess I don't for sure," the man
replied, rubbing his chin. "Just because you see lions being violent on TV
doesn't mean they're all violent," she pleaded. The man was getting
impatient, and took his rifle down from the mantle. "But we learned in
school that lions kill people," he said. The woman shook her head. "That's
nonsense from people who are afraid of lions. In fact, lions are beautiful
creatures, all part of nature's world," she said.

The man slowly put his rifle back on the mantle. "I guess you're right," he
said. "I mean, there aren't many lions in our neighborhood. I don't work
with any lions, and I don't have any friends who are lions. Maybe I'm being
irrational and prejudiced. Rushing to judgment based on stereotypes isn't
fair."

The woman began to smile. "Yes. You're getting it. For years, we've been
mistreating lions, killing them for sport, putting them in cages to gawk
at, and keeping them away from where we live. It was all based on hatred of
lions. We're hurting the lions' feelings when we do those things. We must
reach out to the lions, give them food and shelter, and stroke their hides
and manes to let them know we love them. Then we won't have to fear them.
We'll all live together in peace and harmony."

The man and woman continued to talk, excited about the wave of enlightenment
that was washing over them. They sat back down in their chairs, and began
discussing ways of creating equal rights for lions, for getting government
programs to support them, and of making more positive portrayals of them in
the media.

Suddenly, the man jumped up from his seat. "But you know what? While we've
been sitting her talking, we've missed an opportunity to reach out to the
lion in our very own home!" "You're right!" the woman said. "We can start
right now. Let's go talk to him and let him know that we're not
prejudiced."

The man and woman then joined hands and began walking toward their baby's
room. They were horrified to discover that the lion had eaten their baby,
leaving nothing but blood all over the sheets of the baby crib. Meanwhile,
the lion had walked out the back door.

"This is terrible!" the woman said. "The only reason this poor lion has
resorted to eating our baby is because of the hatred, intolerance and
mistreatment he and his ancestors have suffered at our hands!" The man
threw up his hands and said, "Yes, you might even say we deserve what's
happened to us. We created this whole problem. For what we've done, we
should be eaten by the lion, too!"

With that, the man and woman set off to look for the lion, with the hopes
that he would accept their forgiveness.

http://nationalvanguard.org/
DTA - 18 Jan 2006 21:11 GMT
> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.

No, it just demonstrates the conservative need to demonize and lie about
opponents, and their reliance on fairy tales to explain things.
Tsunami Mommy - 18 Jan 2006 21:48 GMT
>> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>
>No, it just demonstrates the conservative need to demonize and lie about
>opponents, and their reliance on fairy tales to explain things.

Oh, you must be confusing conservatives with  the limousine liberal
Jews who run Hollywood.
R. Steve Walz - 18 Jan 2006 23:07 GMT
> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Oh, you must be confusing conservatives with  the limousine liberal
> Jews who run Hollywood.
--------------------------
Now some Nazi bigot tries to bring his hate of Jews into it, which
is irrelevant. You sh.t are f.cking nuts.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 18 Jan 2006 23:47 GMT
>> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>is irrelevant. You sh.t are f.cking nuts.
>Steve

Struck the kike's nerve ending.
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 03:43 GMT
> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Struck the kike's nerve ending.
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I'm not jewish.
But you ARE a sh.t-licking slackjawed bigot.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 20 Jan 2006 11:58 GMT
>> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>But you ARE a sh.t-licking slackjawed bigot.
>Steve

You liberal kikes remind me of the Jew Bolshevik totalitarians who
founded communism.  You want the masses to be miserable and
share-the-wealth while you live lives of luxury.
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 23:01 GMT
> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> You liberal kikes
---------------------
I'm not jewish, I was raised methodist and none of my blood family
are jewish. I am not actually even a liberal, but a progressive
democratic communist.

> remind me of the Jew Bolshevik totalitarians who
> founded communism.
----------------------
How hilarious that you imagine some evil cabal of "jews" wished
to be communist and give up all power to people's democractic control!!

Do you even know what Bolshevik means? Go ahead, answer this one!

And do you know what a totalitarian is? Hmm? What?

That would be the control of everybody and every feature of life
by a minority, which is impossible. The minority would be fully
occupied without productivity watching security cameras all day
and in any fight they'd lose.

>  You want the masses to be miserable
--------------------------
Why would someone who believes in democratic communism want that?
It wouldn't make sense!:
Like the masses enslaving the masses or something as ridiculous!!

> and share-the-wealth
------------------------
The masses miserable sharing the wealth??
You sound confused, and so you ARE!

> while you live lives of luxury.
------------------------
No, those who wish to oppress the majority will and luxuriate at
the expense of the rest of us, always were, are, and continue to be
the classist, bigoted, racist rightwing fascist rich!!
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 20 Jan 2006 23:12 GMT
>> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>the classist, bigoted, racist rightwing fascist rich!!
>Steve

Difference between the kikes who founded communism and you liberal
kikes today is that they weren't as fearful while today's kikes are
terrified of any physical confrontation.  You try to prevail with
manipulation, deviousness, and slime.

Can almost smell your grease from here.
R. Steve Walz - 21 Jan 2006 08:27 GMT
> >> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >> >> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> Difference between the kikes who founded communism and you liberal
> kikes today
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I'm not Jewish, but you ARE a bigoted racist sh.t.

AND unworth responding to, you know nothing about communism.
You can't answer any questions about Bolshevism.

WHAT IS BOLSHEVISM, you COWARD!!!???

> is that they weren't as fearful while today's kikes are
> terrified of any physical confrontation.
-----------------------
You mean like the Mosad? I think not.

> Can almost smell your grease from here.
-------------------------
That's your finger in your mouth after you switched it
with the one in your a.s.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 21 Jan 2006 13:03 GMT
>> >> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >> >> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
>with the one in your a.s.
>Steve

Those right-wing fascists you leftists talk about are neo-con kikes
who are actually not much better than you Bolsheviks.
R. Steve Walz - 23 Jan 2006 07:14 GMT
> Those right-wing fascists you leftists talk about are neo-con kikes
> who are actually not much better than you Bolsheviks.
---------------------
You have no idea what any of those big words mean, you stupid child.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 23 Jan 2006 14:02 GMT
>> Those right-wing fascists you leftists talk about are neo-con kikes
>> who are actually not much better than you Bolsheviks.
>---------------------
>You have no idea what any of those big words mean, you stupid child.
>Steve

You mentioned Mosad, but they ain't the American kike, you dummy.

American kike would let a nigga rape his woman and then make excuses
for him.

What filthy, yellow, cheezy bastids, you are.
R. Steve Walz - 24 Jan 2006 04:28 GMT
> >> Those right-wing fascists you leftists talk about are neo-con kikes
> >> who are actually not much better than you Bolsheviks.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You mentioned Mosad, but they ain't the American kike, you dummy.
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Now you pretend you were only discussing Americans, you LIAR!
You're just a sh.t-licking lying little racist!
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 24 Jan 2006 12:27 GMT
>> >> Those right-wing fascists you leftists talk about are neo-con kikes
>> >> who are actually not much better than you Bolsheviks.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>You're just a sh.t-licking lying little racist!
>Steve

Push the kike's button, did I?
R. Steve Walz - 24 Jan 2006 22:38 GMT
> >> >> Those right-wing fascists you leftists talk about are neo-con kikes
> >> >> who are actually not much better than you Bolsheviks.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Push the kike's button, did I?
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Again, I'm not jewish, you low-grade slack-jawed moron.
Steve
Tommy - 19 Jan 2006 23:27 GMT
>> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> is irrelevant. You sh.t are f.cking nuts.
> Steve

Because one points out the TRUTH - doesn't make one a Nazi Steve.

Do Jews Run Hollywood?
You bet they do--and what of it?

by Ben Stein

A few days after Marlon Brando scandalized the airwaves by referring to the
Jews who worked in Hollywood as "kikes," I got a call from an editor at 60
Minutes. The woman wanted to know how I felt about Brando's use of words
and his allegation that Hollywood is "run by Jews."

She suggested the desired answer by noting that her researchers had
conclusively proven that Jews do not run Hollywood.

Crafty 60 Minutes had studied the top slots in town. Their research showed
that "only" about 60 percent of the most important positions in Hollywood
were run by Jews. What did I think?

I managed to disqualify myself by saying that while Hollywood was not really
"run" by anyone (it's far too chaotic for that), if Jews were about 2.5
percent of the population and were about 60 percent of Hollywood, they
might well be said to be extremely predominant in that sector.

That was far too logical and un-PC an answer, and I never heard from her
again.

But Jews are a big part of my thoughts (as they are of every Jew's
thoughts). Plus, I live and struggle in Hollywood, so the combination
intrigues me. What exactly is the role of the Jew in Hollywood? More to the
point, what does it signify, if anything, if Jews have a big role? And,
most interesting of all, why do we care?

First, it is extremely clear to anyone in Hollywood that Jews are, so to
speak, "in charge" in Hollywood in a way that is not duplicated in any
other large business, except maybe garments or scrap metal or folding
boxes.

At mighty Paramount, the controlling stockholder is Sumner Redstone. Head of
the studio is Jon Dolgen. Head of production is Sherry Lansing--all members
of the tribe.

At titanic Disney, the CEO is Michael Eisner, the world's most assimilated
Jew, who might as well be a Presbyterian. Deputy head is Michael Ovitz,
karate champ but also a Jew. Head of the studio is Joe Roth.

At newly energized ICM, the top dogs are Jeff Berg and Jim Wiatt. At still
overwhelming CAA, Jack Rapke and other members of my faith predominate. At
William Morris, Jon Burnham and other Jews are, by and large, in the power
positions.

This has always been true in Hollywood. The ex-furriers who created
Hollywood were Eastern European Jewish immigrants, and all of the great
edifice of fantasy-making in Hollywood is their handiwork. Names like Zukor
and Lasky and Goldwyn and Cohn are the foundation of mass culture in
America and the world.

There is a much quoted note that it took all these Eastern European
Yiddish-speaking Jews to create the lasting, worldwide image of America and
what America is--the mass culture mirror that America likes to hold up to
its face.

More below.
http://www.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Jews/index2.html
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 03:55 GMT
> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Because one points out the TRUTH - doesn't make one a Nazi Steve.
-----------------------
No, it wouldn't, IF YOU DID! You DON'T point out the Truth.
You're a sh.t-licking little racist LIAR!


> Do Jews Run Hollywood?
> You bet they do--and what of it?
>
> by Ben Stein
--------------------------
He was being amusing below, you moron, he's a Jewish comedian, dummy!
The below never took place, it's part of his schtick, his act!! Stupid!

Whether it is true or not is irrelevant PRECISELY because the Jews
may be the largest group to so compliment the artistic life of America
by their presence in it! Your crap is sort of like complaining that
operas are in Italian or the old masters of the canvas are Europeans!

As for Jews, a large minority of them are well-educated and talented,
but they comprise only a minority of those in controlling positions,
which they EARNED!
Steve


> A few days after Marlon Brando scandalized the airwaves by referring to the
> Jews who worked in Hollywood as "kikes," I got a call from an editor at 60
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> More below.
> http://www.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Jews/index2.html
R. Steve Walz - 18 Jan 2006 23:05 GMT
> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
-------------------------
No, this fable indicates how confused you reactionary bigots are,
believing that lions are anything like black people, or that
people are just inherently dangerous no matter how badly you've
treated them. You pretend that people you have treated badly are
dangerous for some other magical reason, instead of because of
your abuse of them.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 18 Jan 2006 23:47 GMT
>> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>-------------------------
>No, this fable indicates how confused you reactionary bigots are,
>believing that lions are anything like black people,

Yeah, the PETA people are likely to protest.
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 03:44 GMT
> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >-------------------------
> >No, this fable indicates how confused you reactionary bigots are,
> >believing that lions are anything like black people,
>
> Yeah, the PETA people are likely to protest.
-------------------------------
Gather them up and kill them along with all you racists.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 20 Jan 2006 11:58 GMT
>> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Gather them up and kill them along with all you racists.
>Steve

That's another thing about the kike Hollywood liberals.  They love to
race bait.  Yeah, keep the whites and niggers at each other's throats.
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 23:02 GMT
> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> That's another thing about the kike Hollywood liberals.  They love to
> race bait.  Yeah, keep the whites and niggers at each other's throats.
----------------------------
So now you're saying that you racist race-baiters are all "kikes".
You're WAAAAY f.cking confused, son.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 20 Jan 2006 23:12 GMT
>> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>You're WAAAAY f.cking confused, son.
>Steve

Can recall as a kid you cheezy kikes who owned cheap dept. stores and
appliance stores on the poor side of town and how you cheated the
people.  When the jigs moved in, you stayed and did the same thing to
them.
R. Steve Walz - 21 Jan 2006 08:31 GMT
> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >> >> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Can recall as a kid you cheezy kikes
--------------------------
Being circumcised, you'd be the one who is "cheezed".

I'm not jewish, and you remember nuthin', you're about 14 years old.

> who owned cheap dept. stores and
> appliance stores on the poor side of town and how you cheated the
> people.
---------------------------
Reading nazi propaganda again, eh, you slack-jawed white trash??
You were poor because you were stupid and ignorant, sh.t-brain.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 21 Jan 2006 13:03 GMT
>> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >> >> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>I'm not jewish, and you remember nuthin', you're about 14 years old.

OK, then you must be a nigger.

>> who owned cheap dept. stores and
>> appliance stores on the poor side of town and how you cheated the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>You were poor because you were stupid and ignorant, sh.t-brain.
>Steve

And when the jigs moved-in, you cheated them too.

And it's a funny thing how you Jews talk about whites being
intolerant.  Just watch whenever a Jew boy invites a goy to a Beth
Tfiloh prom.  NO WAY!  Won't be allowed.
R. Steve Walz - 23 Jan 2006 07:12 GMT
> >> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >> >> >> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> OK, then you must be a nigger.
---------------------------------
No, I'm neither jewish nor black.
But you ARE a shitty little racist.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 23 Jan 2006 14:02 GMT
>> >> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >> >> >> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>But you ARE a shitty little racist.
>Steve

Not only are goyim barred from the Jew prom, they are barred from Jew
Community Centers, even as visitors.

Along with the Nips, Jews are the most intolerant group on the planet,
and yet have the chutzpah to condemn whites for intolerance.

Is it any wonder why you're so universally despised?
R. Steve Walz - 24 Jan 2006 04:29 GMT
> >> >> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> >> >> >> >> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Not only are goyim barred from the Jew prom, they are barred from Jew
> Community Centers, even as visitors.
---------------------
More lies.


> Along with the Nips, Jews are the most intolerant group on the planet,
> and yet have the chutzpah to condemn whites for intolerance.
-------------------------
Nothing but your shitty little racist lies.
Steve
Tsunami Mommy - 24 Jan 2006 12:28 GMT
>> >> >> >> >> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
>> >> >> >> >> >-------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>---------------------
>More lies.

Nope.  Used to drive this sheenie to work (he alleged that a head
injury prevented driving but actually he was too cheap to buy a car,
but that's a story I'll tell you tomorrow) and the Jew neighborhood
opened a community center which featured a state-of-the-art gym.  A
couple of the commuters were dying just to visit the gym but he said
that it was open only to members of the Jew faith.  They never did see
it.

>> Along with the Nips, Jews are the most intolerant group on the planet,
>> and yet have the chutzpah to condemn whites for intolerance.
>-------------------------
>Nothing but your shitty little racist lies.
>Steve

Makes one wonder whether he would've turned down a jigaboo request to
visit it.  That would have forced him into a corner, the way you
sheens suck-up to the spooks.
Steve Baker - 19 Jan 2006 00:11 GMT
> > This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> -------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> your abuse of them.
> Steve

You sir, are a racist! No where in the OP's message was there any
mention of race... real or implied. It only mentioned Liberal mindset
and Lions.

Al
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 03:45 GMT
> > > This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> > -------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Al
------------------------
It's easy to see where a slack-jawed mindless bigot is going to go.
He goes the same place every time.
Steve
I. M. White - 19 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT
>> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> -------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> your abuse of them.
> Steve

NIGGERS are not "people."  They are wild sub-human animals.

Signature

What NIGGERS are missing leaves the NIGGERS without an ability to think
about what NIGGERS are missing.

Therefore, NIGGERS need not respond.

I. M. White

Bob LeChevalier - 19 Jan 2006 18:58 GMT
>NIGGERS are not "people."  They are wild sub-human animals.

Nazi racists are not "people."  They are sub-human slime that are
beneath the label "animals".

lojbab
I. M. White - 20 Jan 2006 17:14 GMT
>>NIGGERS are not "people."  They are wild sub-human animals.
>
> Nazi racists are not "people."  They are sub-human slime that are
> beneath the label "animals".
>
> lojbab

non sequitur.

Signature

What NIGGERS are missing leaves the NIGGERS without an ability to think
about what NIGGERS are missing.

Therefore, NIGGERS need not respond.

I. M. White

R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 23:12 GMT
> >>NIGGERS are not "people."  They are wild sub-human animals.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> non sequitur.
-----------------
You only think so because you're too stupid to understand it.
Steve
Bob LeChevalier - 21 Jan 2006 07:22 GMT
>>>NIGGERS are not "people."  They are wild sub-human animals.
>>
>> Nazi racists are not "people."  They are sub-human slime that are
>> beneath the label "animals".
>
>non sequitur.

Quite sequitur.  If they are animals, and you are beneath the animals,
then you are criticizing your betters.   For shame!

lojbab
I. M. White - 25 Jan 2006 14:12 GMT
>>>>NIGGERS are not "people."  They are wild sub-human animals.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> lojbab

non sequitur.

Signature

What NIGGERS are missing leaves the NIGGERS without an ability to think
about what NIGGERS are missing.

Therefore, NIGGERS need not respond.

I. M. White

R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 03:46 GMT
> >> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a liberal mindset.
> > -------------------------
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> NIGGERS are not "people."  They are wild sub-human animals.
----------------------------
No, YOU'RE the sub-human sh.t whom we should cull from the species.
Steve
Bob LeChevalier - 18 Jan 2006 23:23 GMT
This fable explains the destructive thinking of a Nazi mindset.

ONE DAY, a man and a woman were sitting in their living room when an
Nazi pestilence, escaped from a test tube, wandered through their
screen door and into their baby's room. The man whispered, "We've got
to save our baby!" and leaped for his antibiotic.  Alas, the Nazi
pestilence was too virulent, and destroyed the man, the woman, the
baby, and all of civilization.

The End.

That is what comes of tolerating Nazi pestilence existing in any form.

lojbab
I. M. White - 19 Jan 2006 16:49 GMT
> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a Nazi mindset.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> lojbab

Why some people will never accept the 'racist' agenda or den­y
'homosexuality as a risk

It basically boils down to one simple thing.  The way that p­eople think.
There are basically two types of people in the way of thinki­ng.  There are
the 'logical' people, and there are the 'feeling' people.

The 'Logical' People

The Logical People are generally people that think things ou­t in a logical
way.  Logicals are generally quite adept at mathematic funct­ions, physics,
performing logical functions, and they are excellent at usin­g logic and
statistics in making their arguments.  Logicals make up appr­oximately one
third of the overall population.

Logicals are very often regarded as being smart and usually ­have a higher
than average IQ.  The good thing about Logicals is that you ­can quite often
win an argument with them by using logic, statistics, math, ­and hard proven
facts.  Logicals are usually Introverts.  If you want to sel­l something to
a
Logical, just explain to him why he needs it and how useful ­it may be to
him.  Logicals are often of the Republican party.

The 'Feeling' People

The Feeling People, hereon out referred to as the 'Absurds',­ are people
that
think things out with feeling.  The Absurds rarely use logic­ in their
thinking.  Their philosophy is that everything must 'feel' r­ight.  Absurds
make up approximately two thirds of the overall population.

Absurds usually regarded as having 'average' intelligence (a­nd some may
even
bring the IQ average down a bit).  The thing about Absurds i­s that you can
usually win an argument with them by using 'feeling'.  Absur­ds are usually
Extraverts.  You want to sell an Absurd something?  Just use­ feeling,
you'll
get it across eventually.  Absurds are usually good Pop musi­cians, and
Dancers and usually try for that as a profession (despite th­e Logic that
such a career will fail 99.99% of the time).  Absurds are qu­ite often
Democrats.

To use feeling is rather simple, you just put on some soothi­ng or 'feel
good
' music.  The rhythm depends on the feeling you wish to gene­rate.  Put on a
good video, have a 'feel good' party or conference, and you ­will get your
message across.  Huge "selling" conferences are often organi­zed this way
and
are almost always a huge success.  The item you are selling ­does not need
to
be anything you need, and it doesn't even have to be useful ­for anything.
All you have to do is make the Absurd feel good about buying­ it.

The cigarette and alcohol industries caught on to this quite­ early which is
the reason why almost every single advertisement by these in­dustries
illustrates an Absurd drinking and having a good time and fe­eling good with
other Absurds.  The people who make these advertisements poc­ket the money,
laugh at the Absurd for falling for such a stupid trick, and­ go about
finding more ways to rid the fools of their money.  The Absu­rds may suspect
this is the case, but will not believe or acknowledge it, so­ long as it
feels good.

Absurds often do some of the stupidest things on God's Green­ Earth in the
name of feeling good.  For example, there was a case of when­ an Absurd
pilot, flying a commercial airliner jet, told his companions­ that he could
land the plane with the blinds in place (used to block the s­un while
flying).  The Absurd put the blind in place and attempted to­ land it based
on feeling and his instruments.  He didn't make it.  Needles­s to say, the
reason he did it and the reason he thought he could get away­ with it is
because he FELT 'comfortable' and 'good' about his ability t­o do it.  Never
mind the fact that it was illogical to put one's job and lif­e, and all the
lives of the passengers, and a multi-million dollar jet at r­isk.  The same
people quite often drive cars while talking on the cell phon­es, often with
disastrous results.

With Absurds, it feels good just to go along with the crowd.­  No logic is
needed.  It is VERY MUCH the case that if a group of Absurds­ were to commit
suicide by jumping off a cliff, that millions of other Absur­ds will gladly
follow them, so long as they feel good about it.

If you make an Absurd feel bad by using logic to make an arg­ument, the
Absurd will more often than not insult you and try to make y­ou feel as you
have made him/her feel.  Using logic with an Absurd will not­ work as the
Absurd has been taught will feeling that certain subjects ar­e taboo and
must
be avoided at all cost.

The Argument

Back in the 1950's and 1960's, the majority of the people di­d NOT want
integration of blacks with whites.  It was well known even t­hen how
dangerous blacks can be.  It was well known that blacks are ­more often than
not much less intelligent and more violent.  It was also kno­wn that mix
breeding with blacks would be quite disastrous for the same ­reasons.

The Government however, in an effort to bring the whites and­ blacks
together, caught on quick about how to convince them of doin­g so.  They
knew
that they would not be able to convince the Logicals with lo­gic, as any
hard
facts and statistics would easily show that blacks on averag­e are much less
intelligent, more violent, more likely to commit a crime and­ end up in
prison, and make less money (or not work at all).  Their onl­y way was with
the Absurds.

The Government began with their propaganda about how wrong i­t was to keep
blacks down and showed videos and gave stories of the few ti­mes that whites
would resist blacks.  (They NEVER showed that the majority o­f racial crime
has always been committed by blacks against whites).  They d­id everything
they could to keep the hard facts and statistics hidden, and­ pushed their
campaign of 'feeling' against the Absurds.

Of course, eventually, the Absurds fell for it (as they woul­d with anything
that would make them feel good).  What we have now is a bunc­h of Absurds
that will not listen to logic and reason.  In fact, an Absur­d could easily
be raped and robbed by blacks and it would never once click ­that perhaps
blacks on average are much more dangerous than whites.

Recently (since about the 1970s and 1980s) homosexuals have ­pursued the
same
agenda.

"At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitiz­ation and
nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full 'appre­ciation' or
'understanding' of homosexuality from the average American. ­You can forget
about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a ­good thing. But
if only you can get them to think that it is just another th­ing...then your
battle for legal and social rights is virtually won" (The Ov­erhauling of
Straight America." Guide Magazine. November, 1987.)

Signature

What NIGGERS are missing leaves the NIGGERS without an ability to think
about what NIGGERS are missing.

Therefore, NIGGERS need not respond.

I. M. White

Bob LeChevalier - 19 Jan 2006 19:13 GMT
>The Logical People are generally people that think things ou­t in a logical
>way.  Logicals are generally quite adept at mathematic funct­ions, physics,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>win an argument with them by using logic, statistics, math, ­and hard proven
>facts.

Those who actually have skill in logic know that logic is based on
assumptions or postulates or axioms.  Different ones lead to different
and often contradictory results.

Those who have skill in statistics know about the perils of misuse of
statistics, and how easy it is to lie with statistics.  The use of
statistics to prove something is generally evidence of a LACK of
ability to "logically" prove that point.

"Facts" are not proven, thereby demonstrating that you aren't one of
the logical ones.

>Logicals are usually Introverts.  If you want to sel­l something to
>a Logical, just explain to him why he needs it and how useful ­it may be to
>him.

That sounds like a "pragmatist" not a "logical".  A "logical" would
simply slam the door on the salesperson, since that salesperson made
the faulty assumption that they were interested in buying anything.

>The Feeling People, hereon out referred to as the 'Absurds', are people
>that think things out with feeling.

The proper label for those is "human beings".  Computers may be able
to think things out without feeling, but human beings are incapable of
doing so, since emotion is instinctive in human beings.

>You want to sell an Absurd something?  Just use feeling, you'll
>get it across eventually.  Absurds are usually good Pop musi­cians, and
>Dancers and usually try for that as a profession (despite th­e Logic that
>such a career will fail 99.99% of the time).  Absurds are qu­ite often
>Democrats.
...
>The cigarette and alcohol industries caught on to this quite­ early which is
>the reason why almost every single advertisement by these in­dustries
>illustrates an Absurd drinking and having a good time and fe­eling good with
>other Absurds.

And yet I suspect that smokers and alcoholics are more likely to be
Republicans than Democrats.

[remaining racist tripe deleted]

lojbab
I. M. White - 20 Jan 2006 17:05 GMT
>>The Logical People are generally people that think things ou­t in a
>>logical
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
>
> lojbab

Allow me to dumb it down further for your liberal mindset to comprehend.

Question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two
small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes
around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In
your hand is a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds
before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Liberal Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man
look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring
him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the
kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of
his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Is it possible he'd
be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would
he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on,
could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so
confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to
come to a conclusion.

Conservative Answer:

BANG!

Signature

What NIGGERS are missing leaves the NIGGERS without an ability to think
about what NIGGERS are missing.

Therefore, NIGGERS need not respond.

I. M. White

R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 23:11 GMT
> >>The Logical People are generally people that think things ou­t in a
> >>logical
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>
> Allow me to dumb it down further for your liberal mindset to comprehend.
----------------------
You're far too stupid to attempt any "dumbing down" any further.

> Question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two
> small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes
> around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities.
> In
> your hand is a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds
> before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

> Liberal Answer:
---------------------
That's an illegitimate strawman. You don't get to dictate your
own opponent's nature, how matter how delusional you are.

Everybody would shoot, so you're strawman is irrelevant and you
are merely deluded as to your opponent's nature.

But whether we'd shootis irrelevant, because that circumstances
bears NO RESEMBLANCE to ANY current sociological situation.

Your crap is called a strawman's argument because it's the argument
YOU, a COWARD, would PREFER to face, instead of the REAL issues!!

You see, any coward like you can knock down your own strawman
scare-crow, and its phony threat, so it's meaningless and
unrelated to reality!!
Steve
Bob LeChevalier - 21 Jan 2006 07:26 GMT
>Allow me to dumb it down further for your liberal mindset to comprehend.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Liberal Answer:

Why would I have a Glock .40 in my hand?

lojbab
Tommy - 20 Jan 2006 22:42 GMT
>>Allow me to dumb it down further for your liberal mindset to comprehend.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Why would I have a Glock .40 in my hand?

Maybe you wanted to visit your daughter who lives in "Da Hood" You wouldn't
go into an all black neighborhood unarmed would ya Bob?
Bob LeChevalier - 21 Jan 2006 19:49 GMT
>>>Allow me to dumb it down further for your liberal mindset to comprehend.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Maybe you wanted to visit your daughter who lives in "Da Hood"

That would violate your scenario, which has my "small children" with
me.

>You wouldn't go into an all black neighborhood unarmed would ya Bob?

Yes.  (not least because carrying a gun in my hand would likely get me
arrested if not shot)  

Of course your scenario did not specify anything about the
neighborhood, other than the street being deserted, which is the norm
here in my suburb where people mostly stay indoors except when doing
yardwork on weekends.

lojbab
Roger - 21 Jan 2006 21:15 GMT
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
  (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
     someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
        in message <3647434.sIgDYQdTWL@FreeBSD>:
 
Oh, good -- you're back.

Have you found that photograph of Gordon wearing his sunglasses at
shortly after midnight that night?

Or maybe you can tell us why you tried to claim that the Shuttle is
landed by remote control?

Or...?
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 03:39 GMT
> > This fable explains the destructive thinking of a Nazi mindset.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Why some people will never accept the 'racist' agenda
--------------------------
Gee. We accept yours just fine, shithead.

> or den­y 'homosexuality as a risk
--------------------------
HIV is a risk. If you take 100 gay young virgin men and have them
f.ck each other in the a.s every day for 100 years, NONE of them
will get it. HIV is the risk, not homosexuality.


> It basically boils down to one simple thing.  The way that p­eople think.
----------------------------
Sure, some are right, and some are wrong. You're wrong.

> There are basically two types of people in the way of thinki­ng.  There are
> the 'logical' people, and there are the 'feeling' people.
------------------------------
My thoughts exactly, so you should START THINKING AND STOP FEELING
your stupid backward sh.t.


> The 'Logical' People
[]
> Logicals are very often regarded as being smart and usually ­have a higher
> than average IQ.
----------------------
Like me, for example, 170.

> Logicals are usually Introverts.  
-----------------------
You imagine you're introverted because you can't express your ignorant
bigotry well without feeling set upon by people who are more facile!
Actually you just can't think very well.

Logicals are often of the Republican party.
------------------------
That's purest nonsense. All rightist bigots wish to think their
views are "logical", when actually they are the VERY minority
whose views are used as prime examples of ILLOGIC in Logic Classes!!

> The 'Feeling' People
>
> The Feeling People, hereon out referred to as the 'Absurds',­ are people
> that
> think things out with feeling.
----------------
Which is how you came to be a rightist bigot.

> The Absurds rarely use logic­ in their
> thinking.  Their philosophy is that everything must 'feel' r­ight.  Absurds
> make up approximately two thirds of the overall population.
--------------------
No. You bigots only make up about 25%, but your fringe membership
grows slightly when confused to about 37%.

I know that you imagine you're speaking of "liberals", but you're
not. Whether you realize it or not, your ignorant prejudices arise
from blindly following the "feelings" you were raised with, due to
your severe abuse and humiliation at the hands of the people who
raised you, and your desperate need to join the ranks of your
abusers to avoid the truth of your victimhood. You imagine that your
sense of right and wrong is inherent, when it's actually just your
warped brainwashed "feelings" that aren't really feeling anything
at all, but are simply horrible prejudices, fears, and insecurities.


> Absurds usually regarded as having 'average' intelligence (a­nd some may
> even
> bring the IQ average down a bit).
-----------------
As is found to be generally true of rightists, you have lower IQ's.
As academic achievement rises, more Left-leaning conclusions are
reached, which galls you no end.

> The Argument
>
> Back in the 1950's and 1960's, the majority of the people di­d NOT want
> integration of blacks with whites.
--------------
Yes. They were ignorant of blacks and consequently afraid.

> It was well known even t­hen how dangerous blacks can be.
---------------
Due to their far greater abuse at the hands of white bigots,
of course.

> It was well known that blacks are ­more often than
> not much less intelligent and more violent.
------------------
Because of withheld academic opportunity and mistreatment.
We wished to end that.

> It was also kno­wn that mix
> breeding with blacks would be quite disastrous for the same ­reasons.
------------------------------
Now here's where you prove you're an ignorant brainwashed bigot
who works solely on a "feeling", because there's NO scientific
support WHATSOEVER for that belief.


> The Government however, in an effort to bring the whites and­ blacks
> together, caught on quick about how to convince them of doin­g so.  They
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> prison, and make less money (or not work at all).  Their onl­y way was with
> the Absurds.
------------------
No, the government at the time were Left-Populists, who saw that
blacks had been denied equality by you ignorant rightist bigots long
enough, and so they and the democratic majority who had fought WW-II
and KNEW from that war's integration of the armed forces that blacks
were fine people took measures to stop it.


> The Government began with their propaganda about how wrong i­t was to keep
> blacks down and showed videos and gave stories of the few ti­mes that whites
> would resist blacks.  (They NEVER showed that the majority o­f racial crime
> has always been committed by blacks against whites).  They d­id everything
> they could to keep the hard facts and statistics hidden, and­ pushed their
> campaign of 'feeling' against the Absurds.
------------------------
Everybody knew of "black crime", you liar, and MOST of us knew that
MOST black crime was against blacks, JUST LIKE most white crime was
against whites, and because each group was ghetto-ed together. We also
knew that the increased crime among blacks was due to natural forces
that would have been true of whites if whites had been similarly
disadvantaged, as that same kind of crime had been replicated among
whites time and time again in America's past when white groups like
the Irish and Italians were enduring prejudice and disenfranchisement.
All you're doing is trying to propagate what you KNOW is nothing but
a racist LIE!

The really SAD thing about little sh.t like you is that you actually
KNOW that you're LYING, and that you THINK that LYING is the only
way to say the kind of sh.t that you FEEL, (rather than THINK, of
course!)

> Recently (since about the 1970s and 1980s) homosexuals have ­pursued the
> same
> agenda.
-----------------------------
Yes, they want to be equally advantaged members of society!


> "At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitiz­ation and
> nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full 'appre­ciation' or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> battle for legal and social rights is virtually won" (The Ov­erhauling of
> Straight America." Guide Magazine. November, 1987.)
-----------------------
And that is true, it is exactly that, something that has always been
with us and is harmless, if not an important feature of humanity.


> What NIGGERS are missing leaves the NIGGERS without an ability to think
> about what NIGGERS are missing.
------------------------
Disdavantage has always been circular, which is WHY it takes the
outer society to end the disadvantage, rather than being the duty
solely of the disadvantaged group. Once you steal what a person has
it is monstrously difficult for him to pull himself up, having no
longer the tools to do the job.

> Therefore, NIGGERS need not respond.
>
> I. M. White
--------------------------
And that proves that you're nothing but a shitty little brainless
ignorant nut-fringe bigoted racist, promoting his childhood terrors
without knowledge or intelligence.
Steve
Tommy - 20 Jan 2006 01:00 GMT
> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a Nazi mindset.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> lojbab

Have a look at this Bob.
http://tinyurl.com/8molw
You will need to scroll down for the pics. Care to explain why the media is
silent? If the races were reversed, we would never hear the end of it.
Roger - 20 Jan 2006 01:39 GMT
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
  (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
     someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
        in message <uFWzf.159$2z6.22@fe05.lga>:

>Have a look at this Bob.
>http://tinyurl.com/8molw
>You will need to scroll down for the pics. Care to explain why the media is
>silent?

Because your claim that they are is a lie.

Why do you continue to post references that you *know* don't even tell
half the story?

>If the races were reversed, we would never hear the end of it.

Because you say so?

Hardly.
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 03:42 GMT
> > This fable explains the destructive thinking of a Nazi mindset.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Have a look at this Bob.
> http://tinyass.com/8molw
----------------------------
GOD I hope that this society gathers up all you bigots and kills
you real soon.
Steve
Tommy - 21 Jan 2006 00:10 GMT

>> Have a look at this Bob.
>> http://tinyass.com/8molw
> ----------------------------
> GOD I hope that this society gathers up all you bigots and kills
> you real soon.
> Steve

Wart, you and I both know that blacks are feral. Some point this out, others
such as yourself excuse it, don't threaten death upon those that point out
the obvious.
Roger - 21 Jan 2006 21:16 GMT
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
  (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
     someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
        in message <2020362.CPuO4o11B4@FreeBSD>:

>Wart, you and I both know that blacks are feral. Some point this out, others
>such as yourself excuse it, don't threaten death upon those that point out
>the obvious.

Maybe *now* we can back to your idiocy that "whites" and "blacks"
aren't the same biological Family?
R. Steve Walz - 23 Jan 2006 07:11 GMT
> >> Have a look at this Bob.
> >> http://tinyass.com/8molw
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Wart, you and I both know that blacks are feral.
-------------------
Obviously you don't even know the meaning of the word.
Steve
Tommy - 23 Jan 2006 11:29 GMT
>> >> Have a look at this Bob.
>> >> http://tinyass.com/8molw
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Obviously you don't even know the meaning of the word.
> Steve

Unlike you, I didn't have to look the word up.
Roger - 24 Jan 2006 00:25 GMT
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
  (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
     someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
        in message <GJdBf.365$F16.107@fe04.lga>:

>Unlike you, I didn't have to look the word up.

But you *did* have to look up those lies about the Shuttle -- where
*did* you get them?
R. Steve Walz - 23 Jan 2006 12:37 GMT
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> But you *did* have to look up those lies about the Shuttle -- where
> *did* you get them?

You're a sh.t f.cking LIAR! I didn't write that Roger.
Roger - 24 Jan 2006 01:18 GMT
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
  (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
     someone claiming to be R. Steve Walz wrote
        in message <qJeBf.120$772.115@fe05.lga>:
 

>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>       someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
>>          in message <GJdBf.365$F16.107@fe04.lga>:

>>>Unlike you, I didn't have to look the word up.

>> But you *did* have to look up those lies about the Shuttle -- where
>> *did* you get them?

>You're a sh.t f.cking LIAR! I didn't write that Roger.

Nor did I claim that you had.

"someone claiming to be Tommy wrote"

See?
R. Steve Walz - 24 Jan 2006 04:26 GMT
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>    (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> See?
--------------
Roger, look at the header, that wasn't me.
Tommy's losing so he's playing sock-puppet games.
Steve
Tommy - 24 Jan 2006 09:24 GMT
> Roger, look at the header, that wasn't me.
> Tommy's losing so he's playing sock-puppet games.
> Steve

I'm not losing anything..

Collapse of U.S. Economy Imminent

In its attempt to establish a world empire dominating every nation on the
planet, the U.S. has exhausted its ability to finance the expansion and the
country now faces imminent financial collapse. From all indications, it
looks like 2006 will spell the end for America.

Consider these five important points:

Point #1 The U.S., Great Britain and Israel are preparing to attack Iran. As
it appears the main reason for invading Iraq was to stop it from selling
oil in Euros, likewise Iran has plans to dump the dollar come March 2006.

Point #2 U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow issued a warning recently that
the U.S. Government is on the verge of collapse - as the statutory debt
limit imposed by Congress of $8.184 trillion dollars would be reached in
mid-February - the government would then be unable to continue its normal
operations. Considering the current total U.S. debt stands at $8.162
trillion dollars, once the official debt ceiling ($8.184 trillion) is
reached, the U.S. government’s credit abroad (its borrowing power) is gone.
Those countries (mainly China) who presently keep America afloat by holding
U.S. Treasury Notes, will most likely no longer continue doing so.

Point #3 Bank Of America and Compass Bank managers (probably all other U.S.
banks too) have been instructing their employees in the last few weeks on
how to respond to customer demands in the event of a collapse of the U.S.
economy - specifically telling the employees that only agents from the
Department Of Homeland Security will have authority to decide what
belongings customers may have from their safe deposit boxes - and that
precious metals and other valuables will not be released to U.S. citizens.
The bank employees have been strictly prohibited from revealing the banks’
new "guidelines" to anyone. (however, employees have been talking to
friends and family)

The next time you visit your bank, ask them about it - then ask yourself,
why is this information being kept secret from customers and the public -
what’s really going on?

Point #4 FEMA has activated and is currently staffing its vast network of
empty internment camps with armed military personnel - unknown to most
Americans, these large federal facilities are strategically positioned
across the U.S. landscape to "manage" the population in the event of a
"terrorist" attack, a civilian uprising, large-scale dissent ,or an
insurrection against the government. Some of these razor-wired facilities
have the capacity of detaining a million people.

Point #5 The Patriot Act and the US Senate’s vote to ban habeas corpus (Nov
14th) - along with George W. Bush having signed executive orders giving him
sole authority to impose martial law, suspend habeas corpus and ignore the
Posse Comitatus Act, have together pretty much destroyed any notions of
freedom and justice for Americans.

Summary: The U.S. economy is broken, the United States is bankrupt - the
unchecked spending by this administration, the illegally waged wars against
Afghanistan and Iraq, the cost of unprecedented weapons and military
build-up - have all contributed to an irreversible emergency which is
threatening our nation’s existence and our very lives.

Hospitals are closing, major corporations are declaring bankruptcy and/or
moving their companies overseas, the monopolized news media spews nothing
but lies, and our fearless leaders have turned out to be only ruthless
criminals hell-bent on destabilizing our country and robbing us all.

Be aware - we stand at the threshold of total ruin - the international
bankers and war profiteers care little for our lives and families - these
demons worship money and all things vile and evil - they have very much to
gain from war, misery, disease, famine, chaos and death (our deaths).

We are right on the edge - the Treasury is already overextended - the U.S.
government cannot (and will not) care for its own citizens’ needs, nor
secure our borders against illegal aliens - plus, the whole "terrorist"
thing is a cruel hoax perpetrated against a trusting citizenry - and only
designed to instill fear and garner support for the genocide taking place
in Iraq.

Should America (along with British & Israeli forces) launch a war against
Iran, or another country, without yet paying for, or even recovering from
the current losses in Iraq and elsewhere - the costs of such of an invasion
will overwhelm an already crippled economy and push the U.S. over the edge
into oblivion.

Question: Considering the U.S. Treasury Notes that China currently holds
(which keeps the U.S. economy going)...

Do you think China will continue to support a country’s economy (the U.S.)
whose military launches a nuclear strike against its neighbor (Iran) - thus
delivering a blanket of radioactive fallout over western Chinese provinces
- killing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of its citizens?

I think not.

Factoring in the aforementioned points of "preparation" engineered by U.S.
authorities, I’d say there’s a stinking rat in the woodpile ...can you
smell it too?

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=9995
R. Steve Walz - 24 Jan 2006 22:37 GMT
> > Roger, look at the header, that wasn't me.
> > Tommy's losing so he's playing sock-puppet games.
> > Steve
>
> I'm not losing anything..
--------------------
Sure you are.
You do that every time we hit the nail on the head about you.
Steve
R. Steve Walz - 24 Jan 2006 04:25 GMT
> You're a sh.t f.cking LIAR! I didn't write that Roger.
----------------
That's not me, I'm not rsw@yahoo.com .

I use ONLY rstevew@armory.com .
Steve
R. Steve Walz - 24 Jan 2006 04:23 GMT
> >> >> Have a look at this Bob.
> >> >> http://tinyass.com/8molw
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Unlike you, I didn't have to look the word up.
----------------------------------
No I didn't have to, I just knew,
you needed to, but didn't, and that's why you didn't know!
Steve
Tommy - 24 Jan 2006 09:13 GMT
> No I didn't have to, I just knew,
> you needed to, but didn't, and that's why you didn't know!
> Steve

I did use the word in it's correct context.

"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign
policy."
- Henry Kissinger, quoted in "Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States
Betrayed Its Own POW's in Vietnam"
 
 
This week the American Free Press dropped a "dirty bomb" on the Pentagon by
reporting that eight out of 20 men who served in one unit in the 2003 U.S.
military offensive in Iraq now have malignancies. That means that 40
percent of the soldiers in that unit have developed malignancies in just 16
months.
 
Since these soldiers were exposed to vaccines and depleted uranium (DU)
only, this is strong evidence for researchers and scientists working on
this issue, that DU is the definitive cause of Gulf War Syndrome. Vaccines
are not known to cause cancer. One of the first published researchers on
Gulf War Syndrome, who also served in 1991 in Iraq, Dr. Andras
Korényi-Both, is in agreement with Barbara Goodno from the Department of
Defense's Deployment Health Support Directorate, that in this war soldiers
were not exposed to chemicals, pesticides, bioagents or other suspect
causes this time to confuse the issue.
 
This powerful new evidence is blowing holes in the cover-up perpetrated by
the Pentagon and three presidential administrations ever since DU was first
used in 1991 in the Persian Gulf War. Fourteen years after the introduction
of DU on the battlefield in 1991, the long-term effects have revealed that
DU is a death sentence and very nasty stuff.
 
Scientists studying the biological effects of uranium in the 1960s reported
that it targets the DNA. Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist retired
from the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab and formerly involved with the
Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in soldiers
from the 2003 war as "spectacular ... and a matter of concern."
 
This evidence shows that of the three effects which DU has on biological
systems - radiation, chemical and particulate - the particulate effect from
nano-size particles is the most dominant one immediately after exposure and
targets the Master Code in the DNA. This is bad news, but it explains why
DU causes a myriad of diseases which are difficult to define.
 
In simple words, DU "trashes the body." When asked if the main purpose for
using it was for destroying things and killing people, Fulk was more
specific: "I would say that it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of
people."
 
Soldiers developing malignancies so quickly since 2003 can be expected to
develop multiple cancers from independent causes. This phenomenon has been
reported by doctors in hospitals treating civilians following NATO bombing
with DU in Yugoslavia in 1998-1999 and the U.S. military invasion of Iraq
using DU for the first time in 1991. Medical experts report that this
phenomenon of multiple malignancies from unrelated causes has been unknown
until now and is a new syndrome associated with internal DU exposure.
 
Just 467 U.S. personnel were wounded in the three-week Persian Gulf War in
1990-1991. Out of 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are
dead, and by 2000 there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability. This
astounding number of disabled vets means that a decade later, 56 percent of
those soldiers who served now have medical problems.
 
The number of disabled vets reported up to 2000 has been increasing by
43,000 every year. Brad Flohr of the Department of Veterans Affairs told
American Free Press that he believes there are more disabled vets now than
even after World War II.
 
They brought it home
 
Not only were soldiers exposed to DU on and off the battlefields, but they
brought it home. DU in the semen of soldiers internally contaminated their
wives, partners and girlfriends. Tragically, some women in their 20s and
30s who were sexual partners of exposed soldiers developed endometriosis
and were forced to have hysterectomies because of health problems.
 
In a group of 251 soldiers from a study group in Mississippi who had all had
normal babies before the Gulf War, 67 percent of their post-war babies were
born with severe birth defects. They were born with missing legs, arms,
organs or eyes or had immune system and blood diseases. In some veterans'
families now, the only normal or healthy members of the family are the
children born before the war.
 
The Department of Veterans Affairs has stated that they do not keep records
of birth defects occurring in families of veterans.
 
How did they hide it?
 
Before a new weapons system can be used, it must be fully tested. The
blueprint for depleted uranium weapons is a 1943 declassified document from
the Manhattan Project.
 
Harvard President and physicist James B. Conant, who developed poison gas in
World War I, was brought into the Manhattan Project by the father of
presidential candidate John Kerry. Kerry's father served at a high level in
the Manhattan Project and was a CIA agent.
 
Conant was chair of the S-1 Poison Gas Committee, which recommended
developing poison gas weapons from the radioactive trash of the atomic bomb
project in World War II. At that time, it was known that radioactive
materials dispersed in bombs from the air, from land vehicles or on the
battlefield produced very fine radioactive dust which would penetrate all
protective clothing, any gas mask or filter or the skin. By contaminating
the lungs and blood, it could kill or cause illness very quickly.
 
They also recommended it as a permanent terrain contaminant, which could be
used to destroy populations by contaminating water supplies and
agricultural land with the radioactive dust.
 
The first DU weapons system was developed for the Navy in 1968, and DU
weapons were given to and used by Israel in 1973 under U.S. supervision in
the Yom Kippur war against the Arabs.
 
The Phalanx weapons system, using DU, was tested on the USS Bigelow out of
Hunters Point Naval Shipyard in 1977, and DU weapons have been sold by the
U.S. to 29 countries.
 
Military research report summaries detail the testing of DU from 1974-1999
at military testing grounds, bombing and gunnery ranges and at civilian
labs under contract. Today 42 states are contaminated with DU from
manufacture, testing and deployment.
 
Women living around these facilities have reported increases in
endometriosis, birth defects in babies, leukemia in children and cancers
and other diseases in adults. Thousands of tons of DU weapons tested for
decades by the Navy on four bombing and gunnery ranges around Fallon,
Nevada, is no doubt the cause of the fastest growing leukemia cluster in
the U.S. over the past decade. The military denies that DU is the cause.
 
The medical profession has been active in the cover-up - just as they were
in hiding the effects from the American public - of low level radiation
from atmospheric testing and nuclear power plants. A medical doctor in
Northern California reported being trained by the Pentagon with other
doctors, months before the 2003 war started, to diagnose and treat soldiers
returning from the 2003 war for mental problems only.
 
Medical professionals in hospitals and facilities treating returning
soldiers were threatened with $10,000 fines if they talked about the
soldiers or their medical problems. They were also threatened with jail.
 
Reporters have also been prevented access to more than 14,000 medically
evacuated soldiers flown nightly since the 2003 war in C-150s from Germany
who are brought to Walter Reed Hospital near Washington, D.C.
 
Dr. Robert Gould, former president of the Bay Area chapter of Physicians for
Social Responsibility (PSR), has contacted three medical doctors since
February 2004, after I had been invited to speak about DU. Dr. Katharine
Thomasson, president of the Oregon chapter of the PSR, informed me that Dr.
Gould had contacted her and tried to convince her to cancel her invitation
for me to speak about DU at Portland State University on April 12. Although
I was able to do a presentation, Dr. Thomasson told me I could only talk
about DU in Oregon "and nothing overseas ... nothing political."
 
Dr. Gould also contacted and discouraged Dr. Ross Wilcox in Toronto, Canada,
from inviting me to speak to Physicians for Global Survival (PGS), the
Canadian equivalent of PSR, several months later. When that didn't work, he
contacted Dr. Allan Connoly, the Canadian national president of PGS, who
was able to cancel my invitation and nearly succeeded in preventing Dr.
Wilcox, his own member, from showing photos and presenting details on
civilians suffering from DU exposure and cancer provided to him by doctors
in southern Iraq.
 
Dr. Janette Sherman, a former and long-standing member of PSR, reported that
she finally quit some time after being invited to lunch by a new PSR
executive administrator. After the woman had pumped Dr. Sherman for
information all through lunch about her position on key issues, the woman
informed Dr. Sherman that her last job had been with the CIA.
 
How was the truth about DU hidden from military personnel serving in
successive DU wars? Before his tragic death, Sen. Paul Wellstone informed
Joyce Riley, R.N., B.S.N., executive director of the American Gulf War
Veterans Association, that 95 percent of Gulf War veterans had been
recycled out of the military by 1995. Any of those continuing in military
service were isolated from each other, preventing critical information
being transferred to new troops. The "next DU war" had already been
planned, and those planning it wanted "no skunk at the garden party."
 
The US has a dirty (DU) little (CIA) secret
 
A new book just published at the American Free Press by Michael Collins
Piper, "The High Priests of War: The Secret History of How America's
Neo-Conservative Trotskyites Came to Power and Orchestrated the War Against
Iraq as the First Step in Their Drive for Global Empire," details the early
plans for a war against the Arab world by Henry Kissinger and the neo-cons
in the late 1960s and early 1970s. That just happens to coincide with
getting the DU "show on the road" and the oil crisis in the Middle East,
which caused concern not only to President Nixon. The British had been
plotting and scheming for control of the oil in Iraq for decades since
first using poison gas on the Iraqis and Kurds in 1912.
 
The book details the creation of the neo-cons by their "godfather" and
Trotsky lover Irving Kristol, who pushed for a "war against terrorism" long
before 9/11 and was lavishly funded for years by the CIA. His son, William
Kristol, is one of the most influential men in the United States.
 
Both are public relations men for the Israeli lobby's neo-conservative
network, with strong ties to Rupert Murdoch. Kissinger also has ties to
this network and the Carlyle Group, who, one could say, have facilitated
these omnicidal wars beginning from the time former President Bush took
office. It would be easy to say that we are recycling World Wars I and II,
with the same faces.
 
When I asked Vietnam Special Ops Green Beret Capt. John McCarthy, who could
have devised this omnicidal plan to use DU to destroy the genetic code and
genetic future of large populations of Arabs and Moslems in the Middle East
and Central Asia - just coincidentally the areas where most of the world's
oil deposits are located - he replied: "It has all the handprints of Henry
Kissinger."
 
In Zbignew Brzezinski's book "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its
Geostrategic Imperatives," the map of the Eurasian chessboard includes four
regions strategic to U.S. foreign policy. The "South" region corresponds
precisely to the regions now contaminated permanently with radiation from
U.S. bombs, missiles and bullets made with thousands of tons of DU.
 
A Japanese professor, Dr. K. Yagasaki, has calculated that 800 tons of DU is
the atomicity equivalent of 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The U.S. has used more
DU since 1991 than the atomicity equivalent of 400,000 Nagasaki bombs. Four
nuclear wars indeed, and 10 times the amount of radiation released into the
atmosphere from atmospheric testing!
 
No wonder our soldiers, their families and the people of the Middle East,
Yugoslavia and Central Asia are sick. But as Henry Kissinger said after
Vietnam when our soldiers came home ill from Agent Orange, "Military men
are just dumb stupid animals to be used for foreign policy."
 
Unfortunately, more and more of those soldiers are men and women with brown
skin. And unfortunately, the DU radioactive dust will be carried around the
world and deposited in our environments just as the "smog of war" from the
1991 Gulf War was found in deposits in South America, the Himalayas and
Hawaii.
 
In June 2003, the World Health Organization announced in a press release
that global cancer rates will increase 50 percent by 2020. What else do
they know that they aren't telling us? I know that depleted uranium is a
death sentence ... for all of us. We will all die in silent ways.
 
To learn more
 
Sources used in this story that readers are encouraged to consult:
 
American Free Press four-part series on DU by
Christopher Bollyn.
Part I: "Depleted Uranium: U.S. Commits War Crime
Against Iraq, Humanity,"
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/depleted_uranium.html
 
Part II: "Cancer Epidemic Caused by U.S. WMD: MD Says
Depleted Uranium Definitively
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/cancer_epidemic_.html
 
Part III: "DU Syndrome Stricken Vets Denied Care:
Pentagon Hides DU Dangers to Deny Medical Care toVets",
 
 
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/du_syndrome.html
Part IV: "Pentagon Brass Suppresses Truth About Toxic
Weapons: Poisonous Uranium Munitions Threaten World",
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/pentagon_brass.html
 
August 2004 World Affairs Journal. Leuren Moret:
"Depleted Uranium: The Trojan Horse of Nuclear War,"
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/DU-Trojan-Horse1jul04.htm
 
August 2004 Coastal Post Online. Carol Sterrit: "Marin
Depleted Uranium Resolution Heats Up - GI's Will Come Home To A Slow Death,"
http://www.coastalpost.com/04/08/01.htm
 
World Depleted Uranium Weapons Conference, Hamburg,
Germany, October 16-19, 2004:
http://www.uraniumweaponsconference.de/speakers.htm
 
International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan.
Written opinion of Judge Niloufer Baghwat:
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Afghanistan-Criminal-Tribunal10mar04.htm
 
"Discounted Casualties: The Human Cost of Nuclear War"
by Akira Tashiro, foreword by Leuren Moret,
http://www.chugoku-np.co.jp/abom/uran/index_e.html
 
Leuren Moret is a geoscientist who has worked around the world on radiation
issues, educating citizens, the media, members of parliaments and Congress
and other officials. She became a whistleblower in 1991 at the Livermore
Nuclear Weapons Lab after experiencing major science fraud on the Yucca
Mountain Project. An environmental commissioner in the City of Berkeley,
she can be reached at leurenmoret@yahoo.com.
 
http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml
 
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=9993
Roger - 24 Jan 2006 22:34 GMT
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
  (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
     someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
        in message <2QwBf.988$wH6.568@fe05.lga>:

>> No I didn't have to, I just knew,
>> you needed to, but didn't, and that's why you didn't know!

>I did use the word in it's correct context.

That's "its," and now you didn't.

Anymore than you used your lies about the Shuttle in the context of
your lies about the Moon landings correctly.

Is there a reason you are running from discussing *those*?
R. Steve Walz - 24 Jan 2006 22:35 GMT
> > No I didn't have to, I just knew,
> > you needed to, but didn't, and that's why you didn't know!
> > Steve
>
> I did use the word in it's correct context.
-----------------------
African Americans are not raised in the wild or by wild animals
after previous civilized domesticity, so no you're not.

You're just a sh.t-licking racist smarming again.
Steve
Bob LeChevalier - 20 Jan 2006 04:51 GMT
>> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a Nazi mindset.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>You will need to scroll down for the pics. Care to explain why the media is
>silent?

The media is not silent
http://westtexas.cox.net/cci/newslocal/local?_mode=view&view=LocalNewsArticleVie
w&articleId=1222785

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/localnews/news8/stories/wfaa060117_mo
_rollerdervy.1320d250.html

and others.  It appears that there are conflicting versions of what
happened (most of them not mentioning race), and I for one tend to
believe the police over a bunch of subhuman racist slime Nazis.  One
article with considerable details seems to be saying that the girl who
was arrested is NOT complaining of brutality, or saying much of
anything.  So maybe there is less to this story than meets the eye,
and someone just has a knack for taking pictures that make it look
worse than what really happened.

>If the races were reversed, we would never hear the end of it.

Racist slimes keep saying that, but without evidence.  Relatively few
cases of cops being rough on someone resisting arrest make the news,
unless someone dies.

lojbab
R. Steve Walz - 20 Jan 2006 02:59 GMT
> This fable explains the destructive thinking of a Nazi mindset.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> lojbab
-------------------
Now THAT'S baloney illogic that just HAPPENS to be RIGHT!

But of course that's a truth unrelated to its content.
Steve
 
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