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Family Forum / Parenting / Parenting / April 2006At Will employment law sucks!!!
Its strange why employment is "At Will" (except for those with contracts or those in labor unions) while education is not. When I go to Bob Jones, I cannot just be terminated from my employment for no reason (I will soon sign a 2 year contract as a research analyst) nor can I be expelled from the seminary without "Just Cause." This means that I have to do a number of things to a) get fired form my job, or b) get expelled from the school. Some of these things can be. 1) Breaking the rules 2) Insubordination 3) Not showing up on time 4) Poor Performance But with a "At Will" job, one can do the best job in the world, and follow every rule, and yet be fired because he or she shares a different religion, or because he or she is not liked, or whatever. Only stupid employers share reasons for termination with a employee. So its very easy to terminate based on religion, yet not tell about it. Back in 2004 I was terminated from a job my first week. I believe the reasons for termination were because of a different religious conviction. In the interview, the employer asked why I provided so many Christian refs, and asked me to provide some non Christian refs, because he did not like Christians. Sadly I went through with it, and did not report this person. But 2 days later he decided it would be better to fire me. I shook the dust of my feet, but should have reported this person, for his discrimination against Christians. But since the job was "At Will" he could have claimed another reason for his terminating of my employment. In a Just Cause state like Montana, this employer would not have been able to get away with his crime. John --- Sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries Founder and director http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible > Its strange why employment is "At Will" (except for those with contracts or > those in labor unions) while education is not. When I go to Bob Jones, I [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > John You had better get used to it with Republicans in control of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the destruction of the workers compensation laws, and time and one half overtime laws are the cherished dreams of corporate americans. I'd suggest you get involved and help us to change these things before corporate america has they way permanently. Rod Rod there are plenty of republicans in labor unions and in favor of them. There are plenty of republicans that want healthy and fair work environments. I personally know of one ultra conservative right wing guy that worked for Safeway for years. Then 2-3 years ago he learned what life was like for most of the us, after he left Safeway. He learned that management could fire at will, cut hours at will, and do just about anything at will He complained, but I think eventually he got the picture that union jobs are rare. But they are the best for many, when you get them.  Signature1 Pet 3:15-But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries Founder and director http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible >> Its strange why employment is "At Will" (except for those with contracts >> or those in labor unions) while education is not. When I go to Bob [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Rod > Rod there are plenty of republicans in labor unions and in favor of them. ------------------ That's because Republicans are typically confused. Steve > Rod there are plenty of republicans in labor unions and in favor of them. There are only a very few that I know of personally, but the vast majority of republicans in my home state are against organised labor and workers comp, with little to no laws to protect employees from wrong doers. This isn't supposition on my part, it's facts I have uncovered firsthand as a civic activist. Yes John, there are good people in both parties, and they are also few and far between, to few and to far apart when money interests want control. > There are plenty of republicans that want healthy and fair work > environments. I personally know of one ultra conservative right wing guy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > at will He complained, but I think eventually he got the picture that union > jobs are rare. John I am telling you what I KNOW from experience here in Kansas. Since I retired from driving a truck I have been working 4 days a week at the capitol, Topeka Kansas, as a public activist for employees rights. At the moment, big money interests have control of the ears of the state congress, we have had 3 democrats and 12 republicans indicted for accepting bribes from lobbyists, and more are on the way. But they are the best for many, when you get them. John, Americans can really use your help if you're willing to share your time. At any rate, I really appreciate your answer. Please think it over. Rod >Rod there are plenty of republicans in labor unions and in favor of them. The Republican party has shown that it does not like labor and the results since Reagan became president have shown that labor is poorer while the rich are richer. It is economic suicide for labor to vote for Republicans. >There are plenty of republicans that want healthy and fair work >environments. No, the Republican party has made it quite clear that it wants labor to have no power at all. Fairness is their code word for destroying the labor movement. >I personally know of one ultra conservative right wing guy >that worked for Safeway for years. Then 2-3 years ago he learned what life >was like for most of the us, after he left Safeway. He learned that >management could fire at will, cut hours at will, and do just about anything >at will He complained, but I think eventually he got the picture that union >jobs are rare. But they are the best for many, when you get them. Then why in the world would he vote for those who made it possible to exploit him? > Rod there are plenty of republicans in labor unions and in favor of them. > There are plenty of republicans that want healthy and fair work [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > at will He complained, but I think eventually he got the picture that union > jobs are rare. But they are the best for many, when you get them. John, those republicans supporting workers rights, labor unions and workers comp laws are the exception, and not the rule. Free Lunch is entirely corrwect in what he is saying, and you shouldn't simply brush it off. These are the facts as they are, not as we would have them be. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" > Matthew 5:43-45a > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > persecute you; That ye may be the children of your > Father which is in heaven" --------------- Hogwash written into the bible by the rich who want the poor to forgive them their theft of their rightful inheritance and their labor for a pittance. Pacifism has always been given lip-service by the ruling class, while they steal and connive to deprive the rest of us of our world. Steve >>Matthew 5:43-45a >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > to deprive the rest of us of our world. > Steve At least you are honest about what you believe, I respect that. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in Socialist Europe or Communist China and Russia >> Its strange why employment is "At Will" (except for those with contracts >> or those in labor unions) while education is not. When I go to Bob [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Rod > If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in Socialist > Europe or Communist China and Russia I change things that are not right, and I start at the source. I'm not all smoke and no fire, Geek, and I was born here in this land and I love it. I'll die before I'll give it to self serving cretins of any political party, including you. You want me gone, remove me yourself.. >> If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in Socialist >> Europe or Communist China and Russia [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I love it. I'll die before I'll give it to self serving cretins of any > political party, including you. You want me gone, remove me yourself.. And besides, why travel thousands of miles to live in a totalitarian fascist dictatorship when we have one right here? > >> If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in > >> Socialist [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > And besides, why travel thousands of miles to live in a totalitarian > fascist dictatorship when we have one right here? That's what's so amusing about libs. If someone stands up for what they believe, and converts that to actions and plans, their a totalitarian fascist dictatorship. If they don't take any actions, they're incompetant. No one can fulfill a lib's catch-22 theology....except another do-nothing lib. Libs like do-nothings. That's why they liked Klintoon. He spent his time dorking his staff, while terrorists ran amok. >That's what's so amusing about libs. If someone stands up for what they >believe, and converts that to actions and plans, their a totalitarian [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >dorking >his staff, while terrorists ran amok. Do you know who was President on 9/11? ************************************************ RICHARD BEN-VENISTE, COMMISSION MEMBER: Good morning, Dr. Rice. RICE: Good morning. BEN-VENISTE: Nice to see you again. RICE: Nice to see you. BEN-VENISTE: I want to ask you some questions about the August 6, 2001, PDB. We had been advised in writing by CIA on March 19, 2004, that the August 6 PDB was prepared and self-generated by a CIA employee. Following Director Tenet's testimony on March 26 before us, the CIA clarified its version of events, saying that questions by the president prompted them to prepare the August 6 PDB. Now, you have said to us in our meeting together earlier in February, that the president directed the CIA to prepare the August 6 PDB. The extraordinary high terrorist attack threat level in the summer of 2001 is well-documented. And Richard Clarke's testimony about the possibility of an attack against the United States homeland was repeatedly discussed from May to August within the intelligence community, and that is well-documented. You acknowledged to us in your interview of February 7, 2004, that Richard Clarke told you that al Qaeda cells were in the United States. BEN-VENISTE: Did you tell the president, at any time prior to August 6, of the existence of al Qaeda cells in the United States? RICE: First, let me just make certain... BEN-VENISTE: If you could just answer that question, because I only have a very limited... RICE: I understand, Commissioner, but it's important... BEN-VENISTE: Did you tell the president... RICE: ... that I also address... It's also important that, Commissioner, that I address the other issues that you have raised. So I will do it quickly, but if you'll just give me a moment. BEN-VENISTE: Well, my only question to you is whether you... RICE: I understand, Commissioner, but I will... BEN-VENISTE: ... told the president. RICE: If you'll just give me a moment, I will address fully the questions that you've asked. First of all, yes, the August 6 PDB was in response to questions of the president -- and that since he asked that this be done. It was not a particular threat report. And there was historical information in there about various aspects of al Qaeda's operations. Dick Clarke had told me, I think in a memorandum -- I remember it as being only a line or two -- that there were al Qaeda cells in the United States. Now, the question is, what did we need to do about that? And I also understood that that was what the FBI was doing, that the FBI was pursuing these al Qaeda cells. I believe in the August 6 memorandum it says that there were 70 full field investigations under way of these cells. And so there was no recommendation that we do something about this; the FBI was pursuing it. I really don't remember, Commissioner, whether I discussed this with the president. BEN-VENISTE: Thank you. RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about. BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB? RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." > >That's what's so amusing about libs. If someone stands up for what they > >believe, and converts that to actions and plans, their a totalitarian [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Do you know who was President on 9/11? and you think they planned this on 9/11? Tell me, how many attacks have we had SINCE 9/11? And these "cells" were formed when WHO was in office there brainy? Who was in office when the WTC was bombed? The USS Cole, the embassy? etc..... And we should have what..........closed the entire country? Put it under Marshall law? NO SPECIFICS! "Possible attacks" WHERE?????!!! Your worthless post is noted. >> >That's what's so amusing about libs. If someone stands up for what they >> >believe, and converts that to actions and plans, their a totalitarian [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Marshall >law? Should we? You tell me. >NO SPECIFICS! "Possible attacks" WHERE?????!!! I believe you mentioned that the WTC had already been attacked once. There was even a prosecution in that case. Has Bush captured Bin Laden yet? Hint: I doubt he's in Iraq. > >> >That's what's so amusing about libs. If someone stands up for what > >> >they [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Should we? You tell me. Don't be ridiculous. Based on that premise, we should keep it closed for.... hmmmm......ever? > >NO SPECIFICS! "Possible attacks" WHERE?????!!! > > I believe you mentioned that the WTC had already been attacked once. There > was > even a prosecution in that case. Can't prosecute dead people. > Has Bush captured Bin Laden yet? Hint: I doubt he's in Iraq. Bush is not responsible for capturing BL. Are you? The same military would still be in place trying to capture him even if Bush was not the pres. So your point is.............meaningless, as usual. >> Has Bush captured Bin Laden yet? Hint: I doubt he's in Iraq. > >Bush is not responsible for capturing BL. Then who is? Bush wants the privileges of being the Commander-in-Chief without the responsibilities. And you're eating it up. > >> Has Bush captured Bin Laden yet? Hint: I doubt he's in Iraq. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Bush wants the privileges of being the Commander-in-Chief without the > responsibilities. And you're eating it up. So tell me, when have you seen a president of the U.S. go out and hunt for a fugitive? That is the military's responsibility no matter what president is in place. Saying Bush is responsible for finding him is the same as saying the mayor is responsible for catching felons. Try not to be so silly. >> >> Has Bush captured Bin Laden yet? Hint: I doubt he's in Iraq. >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >and hunt for a fugitive? That is the military's responsibility no >matter what president is in place. Say it sloooowly. "Commander-in-Chief." The buck stops where? > >> >> Has Bush captured Bin Laden yet? Hint: I doubt he's in Iraq. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Say it sloooowly. "Commander-in-Chief." The buck stops where? Idiot. The president does not appoint military personnel. Especially at the level you're talking about. Try to grow up and get some sense, will ya? > > >> If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in > > >> Socialist [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > dorking > his staff, while terrorists ran amok. ------------- More lies and nonsense from the right-wing, the right-wing who can't fight a war without losing, who can't balance a budget even though they CLAIM to be fiscal conservatives, and who are opposed to everyone else's civil liberties except their "liberty" to get rich off inherited wealth and white-collar crime and corruption. Steve > > > >> If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in > > > >> Socialist [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > else's civil liberties except their "liberty" to get rich off inherited > wealth and white-collar crime and corruption. More ignorant comments by left-lib-loons. Lost what war, you mean like Jimmy "peanut" Cater in Cuba, JFK and LBJ in Viet Nam? LOL!!! I still have my civil liberties. Guess you have a problem. Got my tax break too. Lib-loons bitch about the wealthy, then turn right around and bitch about tax breaks everyone got as well. There's that ole CATCH-22 again! We do but we don't. We did but we didn't (Klintoon's infamous statement). You can have war (Dems voting in the senate), you can't have a war (Dems bitching about it). What a F..ing joke. > > > > >> If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in > > > > >> Socialist [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > More ignorant comments by left-lib-loons. ------------- More gibber-jabber by a wannabe rightwing talk show moron. You sh.t are the same as the third graders who think they're witty when they modify people's "funny" last mames as epitthets because you can't think of what to say. > Lost what war, you mean like > Jimmy "peanut" Cater in Cuba, JFK and LBJ in Viet Nam? LOL!!! -------------- Nope, talking about Iraq. As for the past, you'll find that rightists started all the brushwars, looted the US economy of the times, and then left it for Democrats to repair when the people figured them out. > I still have my civil liberties. ---------------- Then you got nuthin'. > Lib-loons bitch about the wealthy, then turn right around and bitch > about tax breaks everyone got as well. There's that ole CATCH-22 again! ------------------- More erronoeus gibber-jabber. There were no tax breaks for most people. It was an excuse to send windfall checks to the rich. > We do but we don't. We did but we didn't (Klintoon's infamous statement). ---------------------- And YOU didn't even understand it. > You can have war (Dems voting in the senate), you can't have a war > (Dems bitching about it). ------------------------------ When a republican blows a war, it is difficult to say to dummies like you that the current manner the war is being prosecuted is wrong in concept. You keep thinking it has to be right or wrong, because you're so ignorant and irrational. Steve > > > > > >> If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in > > > > > >> Socialist [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > witty when they modify people's "funny" last mames as epitthets > because you can't think of what to say. Don't have a talk show, don't want one. The truth does hurt sometimes. > > Lost what war, you mean like > > Jimmy "peanut" Cater in Cuba, JFK and LBJ in Viet Nam? LOL!!! > -------------- > Nope, talking about Iraq. As for the past, you'll find that rightists > started all the brushwars, looted the US economy of the times, and > then left it for Democrats to repair when the people figured them out. Would that history book be by Aesop? > > I still have my civil liberties. > ---------------- > Then you got nuthin'. Speak for yourself twit. > > Lib-loons bitch about the wealthy, then turn right around and bitch > > about tax breaks everyone got as well. There's that ole CATCH-22 again! > ------------------- > More erronoeus gibber-jabber. > There were no tax breaks for most people. > It was an excuse to send windfall checks to the rich. Well I got a check. What's your problem? Never mind, you don't need to answer that. > > We do but we don't. We did but we didn't (Klintoon's infamous > > statement). > ---------------------- > And YOU didn't even understand it. Oh I did, but Klintoon didn't. He's still trying to figure out what sex is. > > You can have war (Dems voting in the senate), you can't have a war > > (Dems bitching about it). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > concept. You keep thinking it has to be right or wrong, because you're > so ignorant and irrational. Gosh, you should have run for president then huh goober? Whining bitching libs. All bitching, no answers. Typical. >Well I got a check. How many gallons of $3 gas will it cover? > >Well I got a check. > > How many gallons of $3 gas will it cover? So you're trying to tie the tax rebate to the gas price? LOL!!!! >> >Well I got a check. >> >> How many gallons of $3 gas will it cover? > >So you're trying to tie the tax rebate to the gas price? LOL!!!! You sold out, and you took a net loss in the process. Still laughing? > >> >Well I got a check. > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You sold out, and you took a net loss in the process. Still laughing? At you, yes. >> >> >Well I got a check. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >At you, yes. Drive a solar powered car do you? Electric, heating and cooling bills haven't gone up? That check of yours is loooooong gone. > >> >> Has Bush captured Bin Laden yet? Hint: I doubt he's in Iraq. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Say it sloooowly. "Commander-in-Chief." The buck stops where? Last I checked, that was called free market economy. Which has nothing to do with tax refunds doofus. Would you rather go back to the 70's when they froze gas prices and no one could get gas? Moron. If you want to bitch, try bitching to the right people. Like congress lowering the gas taxes. What an idiot! > > > > > > >> If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in > > > > > > >> Socialist [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Don't have a talk show, don't want one. ------------- Sure you do, that's why you spew your filth here, they won't let you anywhere else. > The truth does hurt sometimes. --------------- NOW you're delusional enough to think you know the truth. You're truly too ignorant to know you are. > > > Lost what war, you mean like > > > Jimmy "peanut" Cater in Cuba, JFK and LBJ in Viet Nam? LOL!!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > then left it for Democrats to repair when the people figured them out. > Would that history book be by Aesop? -------------------------- Aesop didn't write history, and neither do you. > > > I still have my civil liberties. > > ---------------- > > Then you got nuthin'. > > Speak for yourself twit. ----------------------------- A rightwing racist can only survive in freedom, because everywhere else they just kill him. > > > Lib-loons bitch about the wealthy, then turn right around and bitch > > > about tax breaks everyone got as well. There's that ole CATCH-22 again! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well I got a check. What's your problem? ---------------------- You didn't deserve one. > > > We do but we don't. We did but we didn't (Klintoon's infamous > > > statement). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh I did, but Klintoon didn't. He's still trying to figure out what > sex is. -------------------------- YOU'RE still trying to figure out what Clinton is. > > > You can have war (Dems voting in the senate), you can't have a war > > > (Dems bitching about it). [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Gosh, you should have run for president then huh goober? > Whining bitching libs. All bitching, no answers. Typical. ----------------------------- You're so stupid you can't even think of anything coherent to say! Steve > > > > > > > >> If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live > > > > >in [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > Sure you do, that's why you spew your filth here, they won't let you > anywhere else. Nope. Just here to dispute your filth. You're here. > > The truth does hurt sometimes. > --------------- > NOW you're delusional enough to think you know the truth. > You're truly too ignorant to know you are. Zzzzzzzzzz...... > > > > Lost what war, you mean like > > > > Jimmy "peanut" Cater in Cuba, JFK and LBJ in Viet Nam? LOL!!! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -------------------------- > Aesop didn't write history, and neither do you. Oh yeah. He wrote your version. > > > > I still have my civil liberties. > > > ---------------- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A rightwing racist can only survive in freedom, because everywhere > else they just kill him. Considering my wife is black, your ignorance shines even more there goober. > > > > Lib-loons bitch about the wealthy, then turn right around and bitch > > > > about tax breaks everyone got as well. There's that ole CATCH-22 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ---------------------- > You didn't deserve one. Okay kiddies, it's Steve's kindergarden time!!! > > > > We do but we don't. We did but we didn't (Klintoon's infamous > > > > statement). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -------------------------- > YOU'RE still trying to figure out what Clinton is. Oh I know what Klintoon was. > > > > You can have war (Dems voting in the senate), you can't have a war > > > > (Dems bitching about it). [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ----------------------------- > You're so stupid you can't even think of anything coherent to say! No. Just trying to see if you had any intelligent ideas. Of course you don't. But you are really good at bitching and whining. As are most libs. > -------------- > Nope, talking about Iraq. As for the past, you'll find that rightists > started all the brushwars, looted the US economy of the times, and > then left it for Democrats to repair when the people figured them out. The dims never repaired anything since they can't get anything done as a party. They offer complaints not solutions. What did the right 'loot' from the US economy? More typical liberal bitching about the rich. > > I still have my civil liberties. > ---------------- > Then you got nuthin'. Figures a closet commie has no value for civil liberties; move to Cuba please. > > Lib-loons bitch about the wealthy, then turn right around and bitch > > about tax breaks everyone got as well. There's that ole CATCH-22 again! > ------------------- > More erronoeus gibber-jabber. > There were no tax breaks for most people. > It was an excuse to send windfall checks to the rich. Really? I got a check and I'm middle class. More bitching by a liberal faggot. > > -------------- > > Nope, talking about Iraq. As for the past, you'll find that rightists [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a party. They offer complaints not solutions. What did the right > 'loot' from the US economy? -------------------------- All that they pretend to own, which they obtained illicitly. It is HOW they got Rich, dummy! > More typical liberal bitching about the rich. --------------------------------- That's like saying "more victims bitching about crime", you a.s! > Figures a closet commie has no value for civil liberties; move to Cuba > please. -------------------------------- The so-called "civil liberties" here are trivial and useless. The rich have stolen all the money they use to out-shout you. Cuba has nothing to do with anything. It's a ritght-wing diversion. Steve > > > -------------- > > > Nope, talking about Iraq. As for the past, you'll find that rightists [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > All that they pretend to own, which they obtained illicitly. > It is HOW they got Rich, dummy! You have proof of this? Of course not. More liberal ignorant spewing and delusional thinking. > > More typical liberal bitching about the rich. > --------------------------------- > That's like saying "more victims bitching about crime", you a.s! CRIME??!!! Did I hear CRIME??!!! So nitwit, tell us..... The trial is....................???? The charges are...........???? More lib-loon delusional thinking. > > Figures a closet commie has no value for civil liberties; move to Cuba > > please. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cuba has nothing to do with anything. It's a ritght-wing diversion. If they're so useless, what are you doing here? Leave moron. Stevie would rather stay here and bitch and whine like a bubba. > > > > Nope, talking about Iraq. As for the past, you'll find that rightists > > > > started all the brushwars, looted the US economy of the times, and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You have proof of this? Of course not. > More liberal ignorant spewing and delusional thinking. ------------------------ FOLLOW THE MONEY, STUPID!! When something winds up somewhere, it had to get there somehow! QED!!!!! They didn't do all the work, the poor and lower middle class did! > > > More typical liberal bitching about the rich. > > --------------------------------- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The trial is....................???? > The charges are...........???? ------------------------------------ Crime was still crime long before it was illegal. Things are changing. > More lib-loon delusional thinking. ------------------------------ More of your meaningless nonsense blathering. > > > Figures a closet commie has no value for civil liberties; move to Cuba > > > please. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If they're so useless, what are you doing here? Leave moron. > Stevie would rather stay here and bitch and whine like a bubba. ------------------------- You just smarmily blathered insane meaningless nonsense. You've proved your out of ideas. Steve > > > > > Nope, talking about Iraq. As for the past, you'll find that > > > > >rightists [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > had to get there somehow! QED!!!!! They didn't do all the work, > the poor and lower middle class did! You're claiming illegal activities here. I'm asking where the proof is, and you're giving me stupid conjecture and mindless accusations backed up with nothing. Look in the mirror STUPID! > > > > More typical liberal bitching about the rich. > > > --------------------------------- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Crime was still crime long before it was illegal. > Things are changing. Really? Like....................???? > > More lib-loon delusional thinking. > ------------------------------ > More of your meaningless nonsense blathering. Ditto. > > > > Figures a closet commie has no value for civil liberties; move to > > > > Cuba [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You just smarmily blathered insane meaningless nonsense. > You've proved your out of ideas. No, you're a typical lib whiner/bitcher. DO SOMETHING about it other than bat your babbling gums. > > > > > What did the right > > > > > 'loot' from the US economy? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You're claiming illegal activities here. -------------------- Liar. You distort consistently. > > You just smarmily blathered insane meaningless nonsense. > > You've proved your out of ideas. > > No, you're a typical lib whiner/bitcher. ------------------- All you do is spew the same lies over and over. Steve > > > > > > What did the right > > > > > > 'loot' from the US economy? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -------------------- > Liar. You distort consistently. Stevie: "All that they pretend to own, which they obtained illicitly." Back up your claims Moron. > > > You just smarmily blathered insane meaningless nonsense. > > > You've proved your out of ideas. > > > > No, you're a typical lib whiner/bitcher. > ------------------- > All you do is spew the same lies over and over. Denial and ignorance really works for you doesn't it Stevie boy. Your own whining, bitching posts portray your true nature. > > > > > > > What did the right > > > > > > > 'loot' from the US economy? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Back up your claims Moron. -------------- I said illicitly, NOT illegally, they have controlled the laws as well. Illicit is the non-co-opted term. Steve > > > > > > > > What did the right > > > > > > > > 'loot' from the US economy? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I said illicitly, NOT illegally, they have controlled > the laws as well. Illicit is the non-co-opted term. Still have it up your a.s don't you bubba..... llicit - adjective illegitimate, illicit, outlaw, outlawed, unlawful, contrary to or forbidden by law; "an illegitimate seizure of power"; "illicit trade"; "an outlaw strike"; "unlawful measures" NOTE FOR STUPID: "OUTLAW", "UNLAWFUL", "FORBIDDEN BY LAW", etc....... Wanna try again Stevie? > > > > > > > > > What did the right > > > > > > > > > 'loot' from the US economy? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > illegitimate, illicit, outlaw, outlawed, unlawful, contrary to or forbidden > by law; ---------------------- You don't seem to grasp the nature of metaphor, maybe you could indicate some similes you'd fathom. You Moron. Steve > > > > > > > > > > What did the right > > > > > > > > > > 'loot' from the US economy? [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > You don't seem to grasp the nature of metaphor, maybe you could > indicate some similes you'd fathom. Nice try. Typical too. Make an assinine comment, then make excuses for it. Real original. Real dumb. > > > > > > > > > > > What did the right > > > > > > > > > > > 'loot' from the US economy? [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Nice try. Typical too. Make an assinine comment, then make > excuses for it. Real original. Real dumb. ---------------------------- Well you deserve it! You keep avoiding what everybody ELSE KNOWS I'm conveying to you, that wealth is wholly criminal in the beyond- current-law sense, and that in the future it will be seen as a serious crime against humankind, children, nature, and the Infinite, and that it is an obvious violation of Human Rights. Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > What did the right > > > > > > > > > > > > 'loot' from the US economy? [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > serious crime against humankind, children, nature, and the Infinite, > and that it is an obvious violation of Human Rights. Well that's off the deep end. Let's see here........... Wealth is "wholly criminal". Guess you need to move to a true socialst country. Aren't many of them left, so you better hurry. And then we manage somehow, in our deluded mind, to tie weath to human rights violations....hmmmmmmm... Interesting, since most human rights violations usually occur in socialist countries. Guess your more f'd up than I originally thought. Oh... and everyone else hasn't confirmed your B.S. either. > > > > You don't seem to grasp the nature of metaphor, maybe you could > > > > indicate some similes you'd fathom. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Wealth is "wholly criminal". Guess you need to move to a true > socialst country. Aren't many of them left, so you better hurry. ---------------------------- You mean like maybe *ALL OF EUROPE*, or CANADA! And the dominos are falling in central and south America and GWB's friends can't stop it any more! Then there's China, and even Russia is tending that way now that they have a taste of the brutality of cutthroat capitalism. And impoverished Africa finally will have no choice. You kinda mean EVERYBODY BUT THE U.S., now dontcha, you little liar. Your pretense that they were disappearing is just your LIE! > And then we manage somehow, in our deluded mind, to tie > weath to human rights violations....hmmmmmmm... ------------------------------- That's how it is acquired. That is, in fact, the ONLY way it CAN be acquired! > Interesting, since most human rights violations usually occur > in socialist countries. --------------------------- That's just your fantasy in which you try to define the unfair acquisition of wealth as a "right". Human Rights violations were literally DEFINED by the heart of Socialist Europe and its World Court! > Guess your more f'd up than I originally thought. --------------------------------- You can't think! > Oh... and everyone else hasn't confirmed your B.S. either. -------------------------- So you imagine everyone else is on your side? How insipid and immature of you. Steve >> And besides, why travel thousands of miles to live in a totalitarian >> fascist dictatorship when we have one right here? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > dorking > his staff, while terrorists ran amok. Your posting wasn't clear to me whether you think I'm a Clinton fan. I'm not. I've written against the ideology of his administration beginning in 1993. I presume that Monica screamed as she did because she didn't want to get assassinated. Clinton kept sanctions going against Iraq against the advice of many scholors, such as Hugh Marshall at Stanford. A likely result was Iraq's drift towards the Euro that made the U.S. invasion possibly the only alternative to avoid losing control over Iraq's eleven per cent of the world's oil supply. IMHO. > If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in Socialist > Europe or Communist China and Russia -------------------- That's nothing but an ignorant over the top posturing. Criminalizing the abuse of, and regulating the treatment of workers is the legal province of any democratic nation. Europe is MORE democratic than we are, NOT less. And so-called "communist" China/Russia NEVER were. Both of them had/have powerful rich classes, and communisms DO NOT HAVE those, by definition. They don't permit them to exist. The "evil failure called communism" is nothing but an Amerikan Myth. It never happened, it was used to scare your grandparents and parents out of voting Socialist or Communist in the 30's, 40's and 50's. It was a Myth sponsored vastly by the rich in Amerika, and it is documented! They spent their money and influence to have the media and the textbooks tell their myth their way, several of the biggest personal fortunes in Amerika were used to promote it. China/Russia were MORE oligarchically feudalistic than Amerikan Capitalism, but not more than Amerikan Capitalism WANTS to be! The only "communist equality" in Soviet Russia and "Red" China was that 80% of the people were equally POOR. They were NEVER "communist". Ask any first year political economy major. Steve > You had better get used to it with Republicans in control > of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rod The sound of a true Democrat = liberal = socialist = communist = fascist twit. Personal freedoms go like this starting with the most. Libertarian, Republican, Democrat with a wide separation between libertarian and Republican. The typical takeover strategy by the "SUPER RICH" is to blame corporate America. The simple minded follow right along. >> You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >> of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The sound of a true Democrat = liberal = socialist = communist = fascist > twit. I'm not democrat, republican, or libertarian. I'm an American that cares very much for his people and country, and one that knows when he has encountered one of these self serving people like you. I've got some news for you vern, Christianity SMACKS LOUD AND CLEAR of taking care of the poor and your neighbors, and that my dear little hypocrite IS socialism is it's finest form ! So in closing this paragraph, if you don't wish to be associated with socialism you had better leave Christianity behind. > Personal freedoms go like this starting with the most. If I were out to take your freedoms away, I would begin with your freedom of speech, but I am not. What I do tell you is that you had best stop your lying about me, because freedom of speech does not include the freedom to lie. In spite of what the modern churches teach, one can lose there salvation for deliberate sin, which includes lying as you have done above. And what was the lie ? "The sound of a true Democrat = liberal = socialist = communist = fascist twit." > Libertarian, Republican, Democrat with a wide separation between libertarian > and Republican. Your guesswork is far off. I am a follower of Christ, not of self serving peoples of all the political parties. It is reason and truth that will eventually break the death grip that party control has on American minds. > The typical takeover strategy by the "SUPER RICH" is to blame corporate > America. This is true to an extent, but it's the exception and NOT the rule. Corporate America has it's share of blame in raping the country, as do many others. ENRON, Worldcom, and the list goes on to detail whom, what, where, when, and how much. The simple minded follow right along. The simple minded have had only one desire all along, to have a good life for a loving family. Many of the greedy in this country are putting it beyond there reach. The difference between those of us that care for them, and those who do not IS where the line is drawn in the sand between right and wrong. Those you support use lies to obscure the lines between truth and fiction, driving the poor, needy and simple like cattle to be herded for the sake of your interests. Where there is money to be made by cheap labor, there is also power to be had thru the manipulation of these people and their vast resouces. God Himself will hold you and yours to account for the treatment and exploitation of these people unless you repent. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" >>> You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >>> of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > knows when he has encountered one of these self serving people > like you. Yep, you are nothing and don't even know enough to classify yourself if you were something. You are just the simple minded lemming that blames it all on "them". You are even too ignorant to know the difference between personal responsibility and sloughing it off to the government "Them". Christianity = self reliant and self giving. The OPPOSITE of socialism. Socialism = the government owns and controls everything. Yes, I know, poor little you can't understand that. >>>> You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >>>> of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Yes, I know, poor little you can't understand that. Vernon, a liar as yourself has nothing to offer except more of the same. I advise you to repent for your sake, I forgive you that God may hold NOTHING concerning me to your charge. Goodbye, I have work to do. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" > You are even too ignorant to know the difference between personal > responsibility and sloughing it off to the government "Them". > > Christianity = self reliant and self giving. > The OPPOSITE of socialism. > Socialism = the government owns and controls everything. ----------------- Xtianity, the rich thieves get to steal and then DECIDE whether to give it back or not, and they always decide not to give back more than a tiny pittance because they don't have to. They'd rather be rich and deprive others of a decent life and pretend those folks just didn't "try hard enough", even though they do all the work. Socialism/Communism, fairness is decided by the Democratic will of the Poeple who are the rightful collective ownership of the world. This Absolute Democracy, in order to remain Popular, authorizes Fair Limited Private Property, which is the instant unsellable ownership of everyone's home by that home's residents who live in them, rather than feudalist rental or mortgage, in which you pay the monthly tribute to the rich for your home all your life, but never quite actually OWN it, which is how the rich enslave the rest of us. Such a Democracy requires that in order to access groceries, one HAS to work a certain minimum number of hours a week at an actually productive job, rather than some overpaid hobby, and that everyone be paid the same per hour for that work! -- Democracy takes us immediately in the direction of Democratic Communism. It has always been the inevitable inheritance of Democracy and its purpose, to end in Democratic Communism. The reason Democracy was invented was to oppose theft by the rich! An old experienced Democracy always votes for more and more Equality. The inevitable direction of the Rich and Powerful's RightWing Fascism is toward literal or economic slavery for everyone but Them. If they could they'd put a bomb in your chest that they controlled and deprive you of a vote. They want your children and your grandchildren to be their slaves. They used to be the criminals so-called "nobility" and have direct philosophical descent from the bandit warlords who used to run Europe and owned your ancestors, which they want to do again some day!! Steve >>>> You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >>>> of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Yes, I know, poor little you can't understand that. True enough, christianity is nothing like the form of government most feared by Lenin - socialism. Christ's order to sell everything and take only what you need is much more akin to communism. But the history of this nation shows that christianity supported management for the most part. The man who gave us libraries and owned steel mills crushed labor unions, forced his people to work 14 hours a day, seven days a week, with a 24 hour shift tossed in every two weeks or so. >>>>> You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >>>>> of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > True enough, Not quite true enough, in fact what vernon has said is an outright lie about many of us, yet he doesn't hesitate to do it. If one stops to consider it which some like vernon will not, God owns everything. It was His from the start and He gives it to whom He pleases. He also commands us to love our neighbors as ourselves, and to help and share with the needy. Up to the 4th century properties were held and owned in communal fashion among Christians and families, the Patriarch owned it and divided it among the siblings. christianity is nothing like the form of government most feared > by Lenin - socialism. Another falacy. > Christ's order to sell everything and take only what you need is much more > akin to communism. Main Entry: so·cial·ism Pronunciation: 'sO-sh&-"li-z&m Function: noun 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done Main Entry: com·mu·nism Pronunciation: 'käm-y&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Etymology: French communisme, from commun common 1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed 2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively > But the history of this nation shows that christianity supported management > for the most part. Making a case for the good in Christianity won't work on uselessnet, it's a tainted jury that doesn't know or care about justice. > The man who gave us libraries and owned steel mills > crushed labor unions, forced his people to work 14 hours a day, seven days a > week, with a 24 hour shift tossed in every two weeks or so. Carnegie deeds doesn't speak for those of us that DO care, nor can I or many others expect justice at your hands. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" >>>>>> You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >>>>>> of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Another falacy. If you are going to comment, at least explain what you think is the fallacy. Reading Lenin's work will validate what I said about his fear of socialism. Naturally reading the bible will give you any idea you want but history shows that many think what christ said is akin to communism, the Peasants revolt is but one such example. >> Christ's order to sell everything and take only what you need is >> much more akin to communism. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > uselessnet, it's a tainted jury that doesn't know or > care about justice. Poor persecuted christians. How come you are the vast majority when claiming one thing and the persecuted minority when claiming something else? There is good in christianity but history shows the evil out weighs it. >> The man who gave us libraries and owned steel mills >> crushed labor unions, forced his people to work 14 hours a day, >> seven days a week, with a 24 hour shift tossed in every two weeks or >> so. > Carnegie deeds doesn't speak for those of us that DO care, > nor can I or many others expect justice at your hands. Carnegie was supported by the churches. >>>>>>>You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >>>>>>>of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > If you are going to comment, at least explain what you think is the fallacy. Sorry, I didn't have the spell checker on. > Reading Lenin's work will validate what I said about his fear of socialism. I'll pass on that one, thanks just the same. > Naturally reading the bible will give you any idea you want but history > shows that many think what christ said is akin to communism, the Peasants > revolt is but one such example. So in essence, you are opposed to Christ and His teachings ? Look, I am not in this for the debate. I would like to help make life better for some that have no life to speak of. I don't want to take anything away from you or anyone, just correct some wrongs with doing more wrong. You don't like my religion, fine, you have made a choice and I can respect that. Things can be improved for many without taking from someone else or making millions off the sweat of others. This is what Christ stood for, compassion and love for man, particularly the poor. I've cut any political ties that I've had to do faith based work on a volunteer basis as an activist, to be an asset to Christ. I'm not a democrat, republican, or whatever else is out their. I'm just me, an ordinary guy trying to leave something good for someone else before I die. I don't have a lot of time left. >>>Christ's order to sell everything and take only what you need is >>>much more akin to communism. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > There is good in christianity but history shows the evil out weighs it. Then please let the good in it thrive and grow. >>>The man who gave us libraries and owned steel mills >>>crushed labor unions, forced his people to work 14 hours a day, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Carnegie was supported by the churches. Carnegie was supported by certain members of the church, not by the "church". Carnegie made huge donations to clergy, and they rendered whatever services he needed, that doesn't mean he was accepted by all. The church is the people, not simply the clergy that run it. I am part of the church, i don't condone what Carnegie did, but I wasn't born at the time either. I CAN deal with the here and now though, and thats what I'm trying to do, but we need help from people just like you. You can't do a good work without the help of skilled people, and that is who we are trying to win over with the truth. It's very difficult when you have people making acusations about your character and motive in public, while they know nothing of your personal life, or morals, as in the case of vernon. I wish you well regardless. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" > So in essence, you are opposed to Christ and His teachings ? ------------------------------ We're sure he was a swell guy, let me tell you. But nobody knows if he actually existed, what he actually said, and whether that was rewritten by a long line of bandit warlords called involuntarily "the nobles" to indicate to people that they get to "Hebbin" by NOT hurting the people who were hurting and enslaving them, and that they shouldn't hurt rich people or "Gawd", whom NOBODY has ACTUALLY EVER provably talked to, would be MAD at them! You see the problem with a "Gawd" who only spoke to a few long ago and far away is that this is the kind of Lie told by Lying Corrupt Humans wishing undeserved control of society for their own greedy ends. > Look, I am not in this for the debate. I would like to help make life > better for some that have no life to speak of. I don't want to take [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > or making millions off the sweat of others. This is what Christ > stood for, compassion and love for man, particularly the poor. ----------------- Totally and completely ridiculous nonsense. The reason working people don't have what they need is because others steal it. There's a fixed amount of it at any given moment, and the way it's distributed is the crime. KILL THE CRIMINALS! KILL THE RICH! Steve >> So in essence, you are opposed to Christ and His teachings ? > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > way it's distributed is the crime. KILL THE CRIMINALS! KILL THE RICH! > Steve Again, I appreciate your reply. I'm glad you don't have a problem expressing your feelings and getting your point across. It's always nice to hear another viewpoint. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" <snip> >> Naturally reading the bible will give you any idea you want but >> history shows that many think what christ said is akin to communism, >> the Peasants revolt is but one such example. > > So in essence, you are opposed to Christ and His teachings ? There is nothing original in christ or any of his teachings. All the ideas were common at the time and "do unto others" was ancient. > Look, I am not in this for the debate. Then stop responding and do something. <snip> > Then please let the good in it thrive and grow. I'm an atheist. I see nothing from yesterday, nothing from today and doubt I'll see any religion do more good than harm for the foreseeable future. >>>> The man who gave us libraries and owned steel mills >>>> crushed labor unions, forced his people to work 14 hours a day, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > in public, while they know nothing of your personal life, > or morals, as in the case of vernon. Your idea of the truth is the same as any other religious persons idea of the truth. The only difference between bombing an abortion clinic or shooting a doctor and bombing a member of another sect or shooting a soldier is that one group is willing to die for thier belief, while the other hides behind a legal system that does not remotely resemble the one taught in the bible. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > There is nothing original in christ or any of his teachings. All the ideas > were common at the time and "do unto others" was ancient. Mike, my religion requires me live in faith, and that is what I have been doing, just as you live by your own convictions. Do not fault me for practicing mine when you are doing likewise. >> Look, I am not in this for the debate. > > Then stop responding and do something. > <snip> I have been doing something Mike, I've been explaining myself to you, that you might better understand me as a person. If you wish me to cease, I will. >> Then please let the good in it thrive and grow. >> > I'm an atheist. So ? Lots of people publish the same stuff you do everyday, yet they've never become part of what I am and therein do not know the truth of our experiences with GOD. Reason says that if you isolate someone from your life you also isolate them from your ability to understand what they might think, feel, and experience. But heck, you're an atheist so showing what I believe and why means less than nothing to you. I see nothing from yesterday, nothing from today and doubt > I'll see any religion do more good than harm for the foreseeable future. Okay, you have me convinced of what you are. If you had stated so at the start I wouldn't have bothered to speak with you. You've been spoken to before, it didn't matter then and it won't matter now. So, why try to convince me that I'm wrong about my beliefs ? >>>>>The man who gave us libraries and owned steel mills >>>>>crushed labor unions, forced his people to work 14 hours a day, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> >>>Carnegie was supported by the churches. We are not. We are supported by individual taxpayers thru donations. >> Carnegie was supported by certain members of the church, >> not by the "church". Carnegie made huge donations to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Your idea of the truth is the same as any other religious persons idea of > the truth. Here you go again ! You haven't spoken to me at any length on personal convictions, and yet automatically know everything there is to know everything about my beliefs, fears, hopes and personal convictions ! How abosolutely amazing ! Are you a "psychic intuitive", or do you just learn it thru "osmosis"? > The only difference between bombing an abortion clinic or shooting a doctor > and bombing a member of another sect or shooting a soldier is that one group > is willing to die for thier belief, while the other hides behind a legal > system that does not remotely resemble the one taught in the bible. What do you care what the bible teaches, or how those believing it practice their faith ? It's a bunch of bull to you, is it not ? I mean, after all, by your standards GODs followers are devoid of any demonstrable intelligence, and act without any central guidance or planning. It's all just a bunch of imaginary crap, isn't it ? So why are you wasting your precious energies on fiction, eh ? Why, if your beliefs are so firm, haven't you been out trying to make things better for other atheists and the needy ? I don't just go out onto the street and shove a bible up someones backside, whether they want it or not ! I'm not preaching or speaking about GOD, I'm talking to senators and representatives at the state level about laws limiting help and insurance coverage to working people. Trying to stop certain corporations from weakening and destroying overtime laws, workers comp laws, fair housing laws, employment laws. I don't go about blowing up abortion clinics and murdering doctors and nurses ! What the hell is wrong with you, that you assume the absolute worst before knowing anything about the "person" or their convictions, or is this merely a public relations coup on your part ? If the latter is the case, it's a kind of cheesey thing to be doing, don't you think? I don't go around assaulting atheists by beating them over their head with bibles and religous literature, I know they won't believe it and that they're a waste of time. I'd rather talk with someone that is open to possibilities. Any damned fool can doubt, that doesn't take much mental effort ! Besides, the rules I have chosen to live by state that if a person has been told twice and they refused, not to speak with them a third time, but to pass them by. Thats fine with me. Just so you "KNOW", I do my work in the daytime so this response is on my time. On my time, I don't go about worrying about "fairytales"........ Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" <snip> > Mike, my religion requires me live in faith, and that is what I > have been doing, just as you live by your own convictions. Do > not fault me for practicing mine when you are doing likewise. <snip> > I have been doing something Mike, I've been explaining myself > to you, that you might better understand me as a person. If you > wish me to cease, I will. <snip> > So ? Lots of people publish the same stuff you do everyday, > yet they've never become part of what I am and therein do > not know the truth of our experiences with GOD. Reason > says that if you isolate someone from your life you also > isolate them from your ability to understand what they > might think, feel, and experience. > Your idea of the truth is the same as any other religious persons >> idea of the truth. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Are you a "psychic intuitive", or do you just learn it thru > "osmosis"? Nothing amazing, I read what you wrote and see nothing new about it. >> The only difference between bombing an abortion clinic or shooting a >> doctor and bombing a member of another sect or shooting a soldier is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > isn't it ? So why are you wasting your precious energies on > fiction, eh ? Because there are others reading and this will cause some of them to THINK. In general the results have caused a number of people to realize that they are in fact atheist rather than agnostic. It happened to me and Jason caused it to happen to several others. > Why, if your beliefs > are so firm, haven't you been out trying to make things better for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > corporations from weakening and destroying overtime laws, workers comp > laws, fair housing laws, employment laws. I do that here. As for helping the needy I do that at a minimum of eight hours of warehouse work every week with an additional five hours twice a month. I don't need a god to tell me it's the right thing to do. I also train, attend meetings and respond to emergencies as a volunteer firefighter/EMT. And again I need no gods to tell me right from wrong. > I don't go about blowing up abortion clinics and murdering doctors > and nurses ! What the hell is wrong with you, that you assume the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is the case, it's a kind of cheesey thing to be doing, don't you > think? A bit touchy about that? I simply stated I see no difference between the religious convictions of one group over another. > I don't go around assaulting atheists by beating them over their > head with bibles and religous literature, I know they won't believe [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to speak > with them a third time, but to pass them by. Thats fine with me. A damned fool does not doubt. Thinking and questioning is hard. Most christians seem to have spent more time deciding which brand of soap to use than which brand of religion to follow. > Just so you "KNOW", I do my work in the daytime so this response > is on my time. On my time, I don't go about worrying about > "fairytales"........ Why would you mention something like that? > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > A bit touchy about that? I simply stated I see no difference between the > religious convictions of one group over another. Yea, I'm a bit touchy about killing anything. My mother was mudered in front of me when I was only 11 years old, and I couldn't stop it from happening. Yea Mike, I DAMNED touchy about many things. >> I don't go around assaulting atheists by beating them over their >>head with bibles and religous literature, I know they won't believe [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > christians seem to have spent more time deciding which brand of soap to use > than which brand of religion to follow. Thats your version, tainted with dislike. Keep it, it stinks ! >> Just so you "KNOW", I do my work in the daytime so this response >>is on my time. On my time, I don't go about worrying about >>"fairytales"........ > > Why would you mention something like that? Goodbye. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" >>>> You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >>>> of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Yes, I know, poor little you can't understand that. Just exactly what do you have against me, vernon ? This is getting personal, and I'd like to understand why ? Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" >>>> You had better get used to it with Republicans in control >>>> of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Yes, I know, poor little you can't understand that. It would be so easy to just kill file you, but then I wouldn't get any answers as to what you actually have against me, that you would belittle me so. I have been going over your posting history and it seems that you do quite a lot of "belittling to just about anyone not sharing your views, while painting yourself as a bible authority to the public. Being an authority, as you've painted yourself, you should be aware that claiming to be a Christian means you also are required by GOD to conduct yourself as one. However, the posts I have been reading indicate that for a bible authority and Christian, you seem to constantly ignore Matthew 5:43-45a. It's on my sigline for those like you to benefit from it. Please have the decency to act decent. I would like very much to know what I've done to offend you that you belittled me so. Yes, it does bother me. Rod Signaturehttp://24.116.1.130/kc0oeb/ Mirror @ http://72.24.149.98 Matthew 5:43-45a "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven" > > You had better get used to it with Republicans in control > > of Congrees and the White House. The "at will clause, the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Libertarian, Republican, Democrat with a wide separation between libertarian > and Republican. --------------- Go study political science again. The Right are Feudal and Fascist, the Left are Democratic and Communist, and NO Communism has yet existed, and both so-called "communisms" have actually beem fascisms of thw wealthy and powerful which served the rich as well by being mislabeled "communisms" in order to disinform those who would change things. Both Soviet Russia and "Red" China were feudal fascisms by their wealthy pseudo-political oligarchies, NOT "communisms". Steve If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in Socialist Europe or Communist China and Russia > Its strange why employment is "At Will" (except for those with contracts > or those in labor unions) while education is not. When I go to Bob Jones, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Founder and director > http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible > If you don't like it then you are always welcome to go live in > Socialist Europe or Communist China and Russia Actually, that's not the American way at all. In America, those who control the money also control the freedoms through indirect measures. The rest of them just keep repeating to themselves over and over, "I free, I'm free, I'm free. The only ones leaving for foreign countries are GM, Ford, Microsoft, etc. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0615-3, 04/14/2006 > Its strange why employment is "At Will" (except for those with contracts or > those in labor unions) while education is not. When I go to Bob Jones, I > cannot just be terminated from my employment for no reason (I will soon sign > a 2 year contract as a research analyst) nor can I be expelled from the > seminary without "Just Cause." And you can't research the laws against wrongful termination! You're a joke, and will get the axe for bring inept. > This means that I have to do a number of things to a) get fired form my job, > or b) get expelled from the school. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > reasons for termination with a employee. So its very easy to terminate based > on religion, yet not tell about it. That is just stupid talk John. You should know you can't legally be fired for any discriminatory reason that includes race, religion, sex, or national origin discrimination. And you have never been told one of the above was the reason for your dismissals. ujb > Back in 2004 I was terminated from a job my first week. I believe the > reasons for termination were because of a different religious conviction. In [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Founder and director > http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible >Back in 2004 I was terminated from a job my first week. I believe the >reasons for termination were because of a different religious conviction. In [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >but should have reported this person, for his discrimination against >Christians. How much of your two days did you spend trying to convince other people of your beliefs? If he fired you because you were a Christian, why did he hire you in the first place, already knowing you were a Christian? I suspect there is something you are not telling us here. >>Back in 2004 I was terminated from a job my first week. I believe the >>reasons for termination were because of a different religious conviction. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > first place, already knowing you were a Christian? I suspect there is > something you are not telling us here. Not hard to figure out. He was preaching on the job and real people took offense. > Its strange why employment is "At Will" (except for those with > contracts or those in labor unions) while education is not. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > every rule, and yet be fired because he or she shares a different religion, > or because he or she is not liked, or whatever. Very good points, BJ. And similarly, it is outrageous that employees can fire their employers "At Will", also. Giving no reason, they can simply contract with another employer, for greed, or discrimination, anything! Or even fire him, and not replace him at all, just to save labor! Can you believe, it's perfectly legal for one private party to sever his relationship with another private party, arbitrarily? How can government allow people to make their own private decisions about who to associate with? We should follow the example of other countries, where employer-employee relationships are PERMANENT. As France recently showed... > In a Just Cause state like Montana, this employer would not > have been able to get away with his crime. And neither can the employee, one would hope... Mark > > Its strange why employment is "At Will" (except for those with > > contracts or those in labor unions) while education is not. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Mark --------------------------- The individual employee is immediately reliant upon that specific employment at which he is employed. If we had a employment pool and people were guaranteed a wage if they reported for employment, then arbitrary termination might be fine. But as it impacts the dependent children, it is the business of the State to control it for its most helpless citizens. Employers are NOT reliant upon any SPECIFIC employee, they have many, or the employee is eminently replacable. Offering the employment puts them in a controlling position, and the People must organize as government to ban the abuses attendant and possible from positions of unfair power. Now if the State was the only employer we could indeed require people to work until relieved if they wanted to change employment. The People being respondent, they wouild provide themselves a balance of that freedom, just as they provide for protecting everyone FROM that power as well. Democratic control of labor and business holds the key to balanaced controls on both. Steve > The individual employee is immediately reliant upon that specific > employment at which he is employed. If we had a employment pool and > people were guaranteed a wage if they reported for employment, then > arbitrary termination might be fine. But as it impacts the dependent > children, it is the business of the State to control it for its > most helpless citizens. Hi, we don't live in an entitlement state. Just because you are alive and breathing doesn't mean you are guaranteed a job, food, medical care, etc at the cost of someone else. It isn't the business of the state to control anything, that's not what this country was founded on. Thanks to people like you we have a mixed economy in the US. > Employers are NOT reliant upon any SPECIFIC employee, they have many, > or the employee is eminently replacable. Offering the employment > puts them in a controlling position, and the People must organize as > government to ban the abuses attendant and possible from positions of > unfair power. If you have the same skills as everybody else, guess who's fault that is? You want people with replacible, trivial, skills to be offered set wages with 100% job security with a powerless employer. What in gods name are you smoking. I'm sorry sir, you might want to move to a socialist state. > > The individual employee is immediately reliant upon that specific > > employment at which he is employed. If we had a employment pool and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Hi, we don't live in an entitlement state. --------------- Sure we do, just a lesser one. Democracy was INVENTED to control the crimes of the wealthy. It will decide who is entitled, by and by. > Just because you are alive > and breathing doesn't mean you are guaranteed a job, food, medical > care, etc at the cost of someone else. ------------------- Oh *I* SEE, you're under the ridiculous delusion that I imagine some "other" bunch of people must pay for everything, eh? Someone has told you nothing more than a stupid LIE about Socialism!! -- If you live and breathe you should be guaranteed a JOB at which you WORK, and that WORK will entitle you to a HOME and FOOD and POWER and WATER and TRANSPORT and HEALTH CARE and EDUCATION and RETIREMENT. And if you do NOT WORK, then you should be BANNED FROM ACQUIRING FOOD or being FED by ANYONE ELSE! You should not even be ALLOWED to ENTER a grocery store UNTIL you CAPITULATE TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND DEIGN TO WORK WITH THE REST OF US FOR OUR COMMON SUPPORT! If you do NOT, then you should be LEFT TO DIE OF STARVATION! So you SEE, OUR notion of Entitlement is that you are Entitled ONLY if you do what WE THE PEOPLE WANT you to do!! It has NOTHING to do with making somebody else support your stupid a.s! > It isn't the business of the state to control anything, that's not > what this country was founded on. ------------------------------- Garbage. Democracy was invented to control those who would otherwise cheat, rob, and enslave the rest of us. The People have all the rights because they are bigger than anyone else alone, and that gives them the right to have everything the way the Democratic Majority WANTS it to be, period! Political Power comes out of the barrel of a gun, and that means the Majority which outnumbers any army. > Thanks to people like you we have a mixed economy in the US. ------------------------------------ It's slowly progressing: From a Feudal Capitalism in which a Remnant Rich Nobility own all the land but "freed" all us "serfs" to wander around but then be re-enslaved by them when we got hungry enough. To: A Majority Democracy that has learned its True Power, the Power of the Majority to ELIMINATE BY DECREE the ownership of the Feudal Remnant Nobility called the Wealthy, by its Democratic Power, and to take Total Majority Democratic Control of all land, resources and industry so that the it can be controlled solely by the Will of the People for THEIR benefit, because THEY ALONE OWN THE EARTH! > If you have the same skills as everybody else, guess who's fault > that is? --------------------- The State, for not directing people with the requisite aptitude and inclinations to be Educated in the appropriate spectrum of skills. > You want people with replacible, trivial, skills ---------------------- All you're doing once again is telling specious Lies about Socialism. > to be offered set wages with 100% job security with a powerless > employer. --------------------- The real "Employer" is the State. No other is required or desired. The State as Employer is perfectly capable of requiring a troublesome employee to accept different and punitive work if they decline to perform better employment properly, and if they do not they can be starved to death! This is no different than currently, in actuality. Then you might ask, if the same, what good is Socialism, and the answer is that its offices are directed to meeting the desires of the People's Majority Democracy and NOT merely the personal greeds and self-aggrandizing ambitions of rich "owners"! > What in gods name are you smoking. ------------------------- Such a lame bumper sticker response means you're posturing impotently. You've run out of actual reasoned critique. > I'm sorry sir, you might want to move to a socialist state. ---------------------------- And now you're repeating yourself because you don't really have a political analysis of your own and haven't any idea what to say! This is what happens to brainwashed little capitalists, they were told a set of lies which they trot out as responses to Socialism/ Communism, and when those are contradicted they are flabberghasted that anyone could believe other than what they once had pounded into them, and they are then totally speachless and begin repeating themselves mindlessly. Steve > Sure we do, just a lesser one. Democracy was INVENTED to control the > crimes of the wealthy. It will decide who is entitled, by and by. Show me in the constitution(what this country was founded on) where it says every person alive and breating will be provided with entitlements? > Oh *I* SEE, you're under the ridiculous delusion that I imagine some > "other" bunch of people must pay for everything, eh? Someone has told > you nothing more than a stupid LIE about Socialism!! When you are on welfare, foodstamps, public healthcare, 'others' are paying for it, cause you sure as hell aren't. Do you think this stuff falls from trees? From whom do you expect to receive entitlements from? > If you live and breathe you should be guaranteed a JOB at which you > WORK, and that WORK will entitle you to a HOME and FOOD and POWER and > WATER and TRANSPORT and HEALTH CARE and EDUCATION and RETIREMENT. Jesus, do you want the government to whipe your a.s for you as well? Yea, you really do belong in france in the quasi-socialist la la land. What a f.cking waste of space you are. > And if you do NOT WORK, then you should be BANNED FROM ACQUIRING > FOOD or being FED by ANYONE ELSE! You should not even be ALLOWED to > ENTER a grocery store UNTIL you CAPITULATE TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE > AND DEIGN TO WORK WITH THE REST OF US FOR OUR COMMON SUPPORT! If you > do NOT, then you should be LEFT TO DIE OF STARVATION! That has been tried, it's called communism, and it claimed 100 million lives last century. > So you SEE, OUR notion of Entitlement is that you are Entitled ONLY > if you do what WE THE PEOPLE WANT you to do!! It has NOTHING to do > with making somebody else support your stupid a.s! I keep seeing words like 'the common' and 'the people' in your text. You're closet collectivist scum. > > It isn't the business of the state to control anything, that's not > what this country was founded on. > ------------------------------- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it to be, period! Political Power comes out of the barrel of a gun, > and that means the Majority which outnumbers any army. I think you need to reinterpretate the constitution. It's all about limited government and liberty. > > Thanks to people like you we have a mixed economy in the US. > ------------------------------------ [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and industry so that the it can be controlled solely by the Will > of the People for THEIR benefit, because THEY ALONE OWN THE EARTH! Less caps, more logic please. > > If you have the same skills as everybody else, guess who's fault > > that is? > --------------------- > The State, for not directing people with the requisite aptitude and > inclinations to be Educated in the appropriate spectrum of skills. People are born with different skills, different aspirations, and different incentive for achievement. There are some people that just don't care about school or getting educated. The government is not going to make them care. By giving them entitlements you let them do little or no work and still be able to sustain. > > to be offered set wages with 100% job security with a powerless > employer. > --------------------- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the People's Majority Democracy and NOT merely the personal greeds > and self-aggrandizing ambitions of rich "owners"! Seriously move to another country you statist scum. People like you will never hold any power, we got the republicans to keep what's left of free market capitalism in this country. > > Sure we do, just a lesser one. Democracy was INVENTED to control the > > crimes of the wealthy. It will decide who is entitled, by and by. > > Show me in the constitution(what this country was founded on) where it > says every person alive and breating will be provided with > entitlements? ---------------------------- It can be construed that way now! It all depends on enumerated rights, and all that takes is amendments. It will be changed by and by, by popular demand. It may even be ammended to do it, or else it will be replaced. > > Oh *I* SEE, you're under the ridiculous delusion that I imagine some > > "other" bunch of people must pay for everything, eh? Someone has told > > you nothing more than a stupid LIE about Socialism!! > > When you are on welfare, foodstamps, public healthcare, 'others' are > paying for it, cause you sure as hell aren't. ---------------- *I'm* not, so I guess we're talking about you! While those are stop- gap measures while this society awaits its radical improvement, that sure isn't MY idea of a decent society! However, as long as the society remains impotent against the might of the rich, we need those primitive devices to use against them till we can develop better ones! Once we make wealth illegal, then everyone, ESPECIALLY THE RICH TOO, will be REQUIRED to work at a PRODUCTION OCCUPATION, or else STARVE TO DEATH!! > Do you think this stuff falls from trees? ------------------- Are you f.cking illiterate? Is there a rich white republican disinformation officer writing your sh.t for you? I said that EVERYTHING comes BY WORK, WORK that the RICH DO NOT DO!!!! The desire of the RICH RIGHT WING is that the impoverished do all the work FOR THE RICH, much as they do NOW! > From whom do you expect to receive entitlements from? -------------------- That's two "from"-s, one front, and one in back, you ARE illiterate!! You seem to have trouble reading what I wrote, I suggest you go back and do it! All things come of work, but some poor, and ALL the RICH seem to think OTHERS OWE THEM A LIVING! This WILL END BY AND BY! > > If you live and breathe you should be guaranteed a JOB at which you > > WORK, and that WORK will entitle you to a HOME and FOOD and POWER and > > WATER and TRANSPORT and HEALTH CARE and EDUCATION and RETIREMENT. > > Jesus, do you want the government to whipe your a.s for you as well? -------------------- That's nonsense, we all ARE the government, finally. It is not some "other thing". And the government is the expression of our collective will, and that will will finally be to meet everyone's needs, just as we expect society to meet our needs now. BUT IT WILL BE EARNED BY WORK! The appropriate way best to meet all needs is to unify the society and control it my the Majority Democratic Will! Letting the rich control it and sell it to us at a profit for them DOES NOT WORK! They LIE and CHEAT and STEAL!! > Yea, you really do belong in france in the quasi-socialist la la land. > What a f.cking waste of space you are. ----------------------- You're incapable of rational thought or argument, all you can apparently do is blather slogans and pretend you're making sense. > > And if you do NOT WORK, then you should be BANNED FROM ACQUIRING > > FOOD or being FED by ANYONE ELSE! You should not even be ALLOWED to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That has been tried, it's called communism, and it claimed 100 million > lives last century. --------------------- It's never been tried, that is the calculated LIE of the rich in the west. That "revolution" died aborning when the farmers who fought it had to go home in the spring to plant, leaving the Tsar's former city apparatchicks to manage it, and they simply stole it and became a political nobility without a figurehead Tsar. They called themselves a "party", but it meant a fiesta, one in which they used the army they set up themselves to steal from the collectives and sell it abroad and bank it off-shore, keeping most people equal only in their poverty, since they got little or nothing they had produced! This Kabal of Politburo Families who ruled so-called "Soviet" Russia was merely a hoax, they were a rich class who rode in big cars. Any political science major can tell you that NO communism has a rich class, the definition of any communism is that it does NOT permit a rich class to EXIST!! Russia was CALLED "communist" by this Kabal ruling class to confuse the masses out of revolting, and the rich here used the same term to try to frighten our people out of voting for Socialist measures in the 1930's and 1940's to suppress the early Socialist movement in the USA which was gaining support like crazy! Both there and here it was a convenient lie for BOTH rich ruling classes that any "communism" was going on AT ALL!! There is a HUGE difference between a feudalism with the serf class being equally impoverished and the rich owning vast wealth, versus a communism where the product of work is divided fairly and all people are equally endowed by the fruits of their society. Russia today is run by and for the former Russian Mafia, which was merely the OTHER hand of the Politburo families, who called in their wealth from foreign banks to now profit wildly from the collapsed and emaciated former "Soviet" state. They now rule by the Lie that THIS now is "freedom", when only the rich are free, the same way they did when they LIED and said this was "communism" and all are equal, when they had big limousines and fancy clothes and luxury dachas on the Black Sea! > > So you SEE, OUR notion of Entitlement is that you are Entitled ONLY > > if you do what WE THE PEOPLE WANT you to do!! It has NOTHING to do > > with making somebody else support your stupid a.s! > > I keep seeing words like 'the common' and 'the people' in your text. > You're closet collectivist scum. ------------------------------- The ONLY rightful power is the Majority. And Collectivism is simply requiring that all do the work and all benefit equally. You've been taught mindless unreasoned blather such as calling someone you fear "collectivist scum" when you have NO idea who the "Scum" REALLY are!! They're the RICH!! > > > It isn't the business of the state to control anything, that's not > what this country was founded on. > > ------------------------------- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I think you need to reinterpretate the constitution. It's all about > limited government and liberty. ------------------------------------ Written BY the rich and FOR the rich. They ARE who wrote it, you know! There weren't any poor farmers at the Continental Congress, NOR were there any at the Constitutional Convention! You've been duped, poor boy, duped into the belief that whatever the rich do is "freedom"!!! Luckily they made it amendable or we'd all be THEIR SLAVES TODAY!! > > > Thanks to people like you we have a mixed economy in the US. > > ------------------------------------ [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Less caps, more logic please. -------------------------------- Read for comprehension and quit trying to act smart when you're not! > > > If you have the same skills as everybody else, guess who's fault > > > that is? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > going to make them care. By giving them entitlements you let them do > little or no work and still be able to sustain. ------------------------------ All you have to do to make people work is to starve them if they don't. All you have to do to make smart people want to have a better life is offer to pay them the same wage to get educated and then work at more intelligent jobs, you don't even need to pay them more, they want to sit in a soft chair and have hot coffee at their wrist and be warm and dry in soft clothes instead of digging a ditch in freezing weather! You will actually find that even many of the ones you thought would never figure it out will ALSO want education and a better softer job and will go to school and make good grades and pass the tests to get paid to prove it, and THEY ALSO will work at intelligent jobs! All you have to do is make it so there is only one path to a better job, and you don't even have to pay them any more than anyone else to get them to do it! Some people like working outdoors! LET THEM!! As LONG AS THEY WORK! > > > to be offered set wages with 100% job security with a powerless > employer. > > --------------------- [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Seriously move to another country you statist scum. ------------------- Actually I'm Populist Majority Democratic Communist Scum, you petty disinformed right-wing little piece of sh.t suck-up the the Rich! > People like you > will never hold any power, we got the republicans to keep what's left > of free market capitalism in this country. ------------------------------ And they have about a 1/3rd approval rating, just like they had all LAST century because they always go rogue and steal and go corrupt and do NOTHING when it comes down to it, all smoke and mirrors!! Socialism now goes FORWARD!! As it becomes every more obvious that American wealth can't long continue with expensive oil and the rest of the world developing and competing, we'll tax the rich into the ground and build an Egalitarian Society which is the REAL MODERN AMERICAN DREAM!! Steve > Seriously move to another country you statist scum. People like you > will never hold any power, we got the republicans to keep what's left > of free market capitalism in this country. ?? Surely you see we live in a one party state, run by the Republicrats? They are ALL statists, and America is now a cesspool no better than anywhere else. Your heart is in the right place, Ana, but if you really believe there's a dime of difference between the Dems and Repubs... Mark > > Seriously move to another country you statist scum. People like you > > will never hold any power, we got the republicans to keep what's left [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mark ---------------------- Admittedly there isn't a hell of a lot, but Dems are quite a little bit better at grasping the potential of Democracy to alter the current system. The actual fact is that RICH Democrats are more similar to ALL Republicans, but with so few Democrats rich, that doesn't amount to much. Steve > If you live and breathe you should be guaranteed a JOB at which you > WORK, and that WORK will entitle you to a HOME and FOOD and POWER and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > if you do what WE THE PEOPLE WANT you to do!! It has NOTHING to do > with making somebody else support your stupid a.s! Preach on, Bro R. Steve! You harken back to the halcyon days of Stalin and Mao, the Golden Age of collectivism, when enemies of The People were executed en masse. I remember those photos of stadiums full of chinamen, all dressed in identical uniforms and shoes and haircuts - a glimpse into our cloned future - it sends chills up my spine even today. But where is the gulag today, where the spirit strengthening empty market shelves, where the 5 Year Plans? With all this global warming, even Siberia is losing its punch, alas... Mark Democratic socialist jihadist > > If you live and breathe you should be guaranteed a JOB at which you > > WORK, and that WORK will entitle you to a HOME and FOOD and POWER and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the Golden Age of collectivism, when enemies of The > People were executed en masse. ----------------- You're barking nonsense. Letting a bum starve to death is the same thing that goes on now, but they make them do it in the rain and cold right now, and I offer them a guaranteed job, all they have to do is show up and work, and also a place to live in comfort while they work, or while they're starving to death, if they choose to continue in that folly. In other words, not much of a Gulag there, you ignorant brainwashed right-wing asswipe. Now mind you, I don't allow the continued appreciation of alcohol by non-workers, so if they starve to death they'll have to do it un-drugged. That usually puts them right off their game. > I remember those > photos of stadiums full of chinamen, all dressed in identical > uniforms and shoes and haircuts - a glimpse into our > cloned future - it sends chills up my spine even today. ---------------------------- As it does anyone, which is why that has no resemblance to my suggestions. You seem to wish to drag in any image that frightens you, rather than paying strict attention ONLY to what *I* suggest. > But where is the gulag today, where the spirit strengthening > empty market shelves, where the 5 Year Plans? With all this > global warming, even Siberia is losing its punch, alas... > > Mark > Democratic socialist jihadist --------------------------------- You merely put forward dystopian imagery without basis. Where is your mindless BIG LIE-style leaving you? In point of fact: Nowhere. Steve |
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