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What is an acceptable triple screen result?

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pregnancy_questions@hotmail.com - 29 Jun 2005 18:26 GMT
I am 17 weeks pregnant and I am waiting for my triple screen results.
The doctor told me that the results are going to tell me the
possibility for my baby to have Down's syndrome, like 1 in X. I am
wondering if anyone knows what the threshold X is. What is an
acceptable result?
Thanks.
Mamma Mia - 29 Jun 2005 18:52 GMT
someone will know better than me, but just anecdotally, people who have had
a 'bad' result that i have heard have been looking at something like 1 in 8,
but mine have always been 1 in 300 or something.

for me, it started at say 1 in 300 jus tb/c of my age then after the test it
reduce to say 1 in 500 or something like that (i cant remember exact
figures)

i found the figures easy to interpret

hth
>I am 17 weeks pregnant and I am waiting for my triple screen results.
> The doctor told me that the results are going to tell me the
> possibility for my baby to have Down's syndrome, like 1 in X. I am
> wondering if anyone knows what the threshold X is. What is an
> acceptable result?
> Thanks.
Ericka Kammerer - 29 Jun 2005 19:18 GMT
> I am 17 weeks pregnant and I am waiting for my triple screen results.
> The doctor told me that the results are going to tell me the
> possibility for my baby to have Down's syndrome, like 1 in X. I am
> wondering if anyone knows what the threshold X is. What is an
> acceptable result?

    That's completely up to you.  There isn't any arbitrary
line.  All this test will tell you is that statistically, there
is a 1 in X chance that your baby has Downs Syndrome.  Based
on that information, you will decide whether you want to do
further testing (e.g., amnio, detailed ultrasound, etc.).  The
triple screen only tells you if you're at increased risk.  It
does not tell you whether your baby will have DS.  If you want
to have a definitive diagnosis, amnio will get that for you,
but at an increased risk of miscarriage due to the procedure.
Detailed ultrasound can get you some more information on whether
the baby has any visible soft markers for DS, so you'd know a
little more than with just the triple screen and little additional
risk, but you would not have a definitive diagnosis.  To help
weigh the risks and benefits, you need to have some ideas about
what you'd do differently if your baby did turn out to have DS.
Would you terminate?  Would you do your prenatal care differently?
Would you change something about your birth plans?  The answers
to those questions tell you whether you might want to take the
risk of having an amnio.  If your triple screen comes back saying
there's a 1 in 50 chance of DS, then maybe you're willing to
take more risks to find out for sure than if it says there's a
1 in 800 chance.  But really, only you can decide where your
risk preferences are.

Best wishes,
Ericka
Daye - 30 Jun 2005 01:41 GMT
>To help
>weigh the risks and benefits, you need to have some ideas about
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>to those questions tell you whether you might want to take the
>risk of having an amnio.

These answers will also help you decide if you want to take the triple
test to begin with.  Remember that DS isn't the only thing tested.
Spina bifida and other spinal defects are also tested.  So you have to
think about that as well.

My position is this:  If you have no family history and you are not an
age "risk", then I would skip the test.  I only took it because I knew
that my baby was at risk (for spina bifida).  However, I had already
decided that regardless of the outcome, I was carrying my baby to
term.  Then we would do what was necessary to help the baby before and
after it was born.  I didn't care if my baby lived for 3 mins, 3
hours, 3 decades or 300 years.  I would not terminate.  Thankfully, I
have 2 healthy children.

--
Daye
Mommy to DD3 and DS1
V. - 29 Jun 2005 21:53 GMT
>I am 17 weeks pregnant and I am waiting for my triple screen results.
> The doctor told me that the results are going to tell me the
> possibility for my baby to have Down's syndrome, like 1 in X. I am
> wondering if anyone knows what the threshold X is. What is an
> acceptable result?
> Thanks.

They'll prob. tell you it's "screen positive" if the risk is more than 1/200
(for the statistically-challenged, this means the lower number is less than
200). :) Why is this number "screen positive"  you ask?  Simply because
that's the commonly quoted risk of miscarriage resulting from amniocentesis.
Since amnio is the test that gives you a definitive Down Syndrome answer but
has a miscarriage risk, most Dr's won't offer it unless your starting risk
is equal to or greater than losing the pregnancy due to the test.  That
sentence was convoluted:  basically, if there is a greater chance of a test
hurting you than "helping" you, most Dr's won't do the test.  Keep in mind
this equation assumes equal importance between a diagnosis of Down Syndrome
and a miscarriage.
If your risk is right around 1/200 (or higher for that matter), you might
feel comfortable with a level II ultrasound to look for any further
indications before deciding about amnio.  If you are a person that needs
definitive answers, the only way you'll get that is amnio with the
associated risks.

Keep in mind that the triple screen has a high "false positive" rate
(usually quoted around 90% IIRC)  This means that 90% of women who have a
risk number of 1/200 or higher do _not_ have a baby with a chromosomal
problem.  The test is meant to "catch" as many true positives as possible,
so a lot of false positives are caught as well.

Good luck!
Amy
Elle - 29 Jun 2005 22:56 GMT
> >I am 17 weeks pregnant and I am waiting for my triple screen results.
> > The doctor told me that the results are going to tell me the
> > possibility for my baby to have Down's syndrome, like 1 in X. I am
> > wondering if anyone knows what the threshold X is. What is an
> > acceptable result?
> > Thanks.

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> They'll prob. tell you it's "screen positive" if the risk is more than 1/200
> (for the statistically-challenged, this means the lower number is less than
> 200). :) Why is this number "screen positive"  you ask?  Simply because
> that's the commonly quoted risk of miscarriage resulting from amniocentesis.

I think the results are based on the risk for your age group. You will
be considered "positive" if your risk comes back higher than that of
the average for your age group.

Elle
pregnancy_questions@hotmail.com - 30 Jun 2005 00:29 GMT
So while (I am making up numbers) 1:1000 is negative for a 34 year old,
it can be positive for a 20 year old?
Emily - 30 Jun 2005 00:54 GMT
> So while (I am making up numbers) 1:1000 is negative for a 34 year old,
> it can be positive for a 20 year old?

I'm not sure that "negative" and "positive" are very useful
concepts here.  The results of the triple-screen give you
an assessment of your risk for various conditions, and you use
that information to decide what, if any, further testing you
would like to have.

Emily
Ann - 30 Jun 2005 02:03 GMT
Yes, you've given very good textbook definition of what people are told
to do.

Positive and negative are indeed useful concepts. The doctor tells you
some ratio, let's say 1:400. And we all know how to interpret that
ratio: You have a 1 in 400 possibility of having a downs baby. While
whether you can live with this risk or not is something only you can
decide, most people would not know how to interpret that number if
there is no reference point. The doctors apparently have a reference
point so that they can guide you and tell you if this is a risky
situation or not.
Ann - 30 Jun 2005 02:06 GMT
My response was to Emily:

Yes, you've given very good textbook definition of what people are told
to do.

Positive and negative are indeed useful concepts. The doctor tells you
some ratio, let's say 1:400. And we all know how to interpret that
ratio: You have a 1 in 400 possibility of having a downs baby. While
whether you can live with this risk or not is something only you can
decide, most people would not know how to interpret that number if
there is no reference point. The doctors apparently have a reference
point so that they can guide you and tell you if this is a risky
situation or not.
Daye - 30 Jun 2005 01:49 GMT
>So while (I am making up numbers) 1:1000 is negative for a 34 year old,
>it can be positive for a 20 year old?

I did a quick google to find the numbers for this.  This page has a
chart to show the risks with Downs:
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000815/825.html

Also quoted from that webpage:  "The risk of having a child with Down
syndrome is 1/1,300 for a 25-year-old woman; at age 35, the risk
increases to 1/365. At age 45, the risk of a having a child with Down
syndrome increases to 1/30."

These pages offer a good explanation about what the triple test is and
tests for:
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/prenataltesting/tripletest.html
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/kbase/dp/topic/aa21828/dp.htm

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Daye
Mommy to DD3 and DS1
V. - 30 Jun 2005 04:15 GMT
>> >I am 17 weeks pregnant and I am waiting for my triple screen results.
>> > The doctor told me that the results are going to tell me the
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>
> Elle

I don't believe that is standard practice, or at least it wasn't 7+ yrs ago
when I was in grad school for genetic counseling.  An increase in
age-related risk shouldn't qualify you to be offered amnio unless the risk
is above 1/200.  It's not responsible medicine to offer a test with a higher
rate of complication than of finding the disorder you are testing for.
Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, since we all know Dr's that will induce
(inviting risk) for reasons like convenience.
Here's a chart of the age-related risk numbers.
http://www.ds-health.com/risk.htm
So, a 20 yr old with an age-related risk of 1/1400 should not be called
"screen positive" just because the triple screen gives an increased risk of
1/1000.  This would result in women with 1/1000 risk being offered a test
that has a 1/200 risk of miscarriage.  The triple screen does factor in age.
A 20 yr old will be given a lower risk number with the same lab results as a
35 yr old woman.  If I'm thinking correctly (which is hard to do these
days), that might make it more likely for older women to get false
positives.

Has anyone here been told they were "screen positive" and offered an amnio
with a risk number lower than 1/200?  I hope that's not happening now, but
then again I wouldn't be shocked.
Amy
Daye - 30 Jun 2005 01:42 GMT
>If your risk is right around 1/200 (or higher for that matter), you might
>feel comfortable with a level II ultrasound to look for any further
>indications before deciding about amnio.  If you are a person that needs
>definitive answers, the only way you'll get that is amnio with the
>associated risks.

I had level II ultrasounds with both babies.  I would recommend that
before an amnio.  Luckily, the Level II came back with positive
results, but if I had to know, I would have had an amnio.

--
Daye
Mommy to DD3 and DS1
Nikki - 30 Jun 2005 05:10 GMT
If your risk
> is right around 1/200 (or higher for that matter), you might feel
> comfortable with a level II ultrasound to look for any further
> indications before deciding about amnio.  If you are a person that
> needs definitive answers, the only way you'll get that is amnio with
> the associated risks.

Yes, I did some research on stats (and have none of it on hand) regarding
the Level II Ultrasound and the stats with regards to detecting down
syndrome, as well as getting the stats from the particular doctor and clinic
I would be using.  It was definitely the right choice for me and the results
really set my mind at ease.  I did want further information but I would not
have had the amnio under any circumstances so my need to be positive was not
really a factor and I totally understand and accept that is YMMV thing.

> Keep in mind that the triple screen has a high "false positive" rate
> (usually quoted around 90% IIRC)  This means that 90% of women who
> have a risk number of 1/200 or higher do _not_ have a baby with a
> chromosomal problem.

Yes!  With #1 my results showed an increased risk of neural tube defects and
with #2 my results showed a pretty high risk of downs syndrome.  Both were
false positives.

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Daye - 30 Jun 2005 01:36 GMT
>I am 17 weeks pregnant and I am waiting for my triple screen results.
>The doctor told me that the results are going to tell me the
>possibility for my baby to have Down's syndrome, like 1 in X. I am
>wondering if anyone knows what the threshold X is. What is an
>acceptable result?

It depends on your family history and your age... I think and some
other factors.

I have a family history of spina bifida.  I was 1 in 100 before I had
the test.  With #1, the result was 1 in 3500 (I think) and with #2 it
was similar.  

Your doctor will tell you if there is any cause for concern, but when
I heard that it was 1 in a number that was in the thousands, I knew
there was little to worry about.

FYI, if you get a "bad" result, it doesn't mean that there is
something wrong with the baby.  False positives are know in these
tests.  Further testing will rule out if there are any real problems.

--
Daye
Mommy to DD3 and DS1
 
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