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xkatx - 12 Feb 2006 06:33 GMT
Wow... I got around to getting the pictures I have up... Me = still
amazed...
It really freaks me out to look at these pictures... I think I might need
help since I really do have trouble looking at them... How come B doesn't
have problems?  The baby's too young to care about anything, and her life is
about as complicated as the blocks she loves to play with, so whatever about
her, but Bran has no problem seeing the pictures and asking questions.  *I*
am the one who feels sick to look, and *I* get choked up trying to answer
his questions... :'(

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Bev - 12 Feb 2006 09:56 GMT
> Wow... I got around to getting the pictures I have up... Me = still
> amazed...
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Kat,

These pictures are very upsetting, he had to be going really fast to
cause such damage. The site of the car seat is a powerful reminder to
all of us the threat of careless drivers.

Thursday as I took a little nap in my lounge chair, a young driver that
has his license for two weeks comes flying around the bend on my road
lost control of his car and rammed into the front end of my Van. No one
was hurt , but I cant stop thinking about the children that do play
outside in the front where this all happened. The kid tried to say he
was doing 35 mph ,  the state trooper gave it to him good. The skid
marks and crossover marks indicated he was doing at least 50 mph around
the corner, he hit my car doing about 35! $1900.00 of damage ! This is
the second time in what.......... 4 years my parked car has been hit,
last time the car was totalled.....Anyway do get a lawyer Kat, these
careless people that are behind the wheel need to be smacked down!
Bev
'Kate - 12 Feb 2006 18:16 GMT
>Wow... I got around to getting the pictures I have up... Me = still
>amazed...
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>http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/katmagicate/Garbage%20Car/b12a2959.jpg
>http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/katmagicate/Garbage%20Car/7a4400d5.jpg

B doesn't have problems because his brain is so use to seeing things
that don't make sense and learning more about them. He has no idea of
what could have happened because he has no experience with it. That's
kids forya. When Lisa was about his age, and Phil's father died, for
months afterward, she asked questions about death and cancer. She had no
clue that talking about it was "off limits".

If you can't talk about it right now, you could ask him what he thinks
the answer is, or just say something like, "Good question! You sure do
think a lot about things." Also, if you don't have answers, tell him you
don't 'cause you're busy figuring stuff out too.

The pics are very emotional... I'm so glad you are all safe.

'Kate
CME - 14 Feb 2006 06:05 GMT
> Wow... I got around to getting the pictures I have up... Me = still
> amazed...
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> http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/katmagicate/Garbage%20Car/b12a2959.jpg
> http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/katmagicate/Garbage%20Car/7a4400d5.jpg

Actually that doesn't look bad at all.  The car my kids were in was wrapped
around a pole and had to be cut into with the jaws of life.  Glass and blood
was everywhere, not something I needed to see when I pulled up just after it
happened (thank God for cell phones.)

Christine
'Kate - 14 Feb 2006 15:11 GMT
>Actually that doesn't look bad at all.  The car my kids were in was wrapped
>around a pole and had to be cut into with the jaws of life.  Glass and blood
>was everywhere, not something I needed to see when I pulled up just after it
>happened (thank God for cell phones.)
>
>Christine

(((( Christine))))

that must have been terribly frightening.
CME - 15 Feb 2006 16:25 GMT
>>Actually that doesn't look bad at all.  The car my kids were in was
>>wrapped
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>
> that must have been terribly frightening.

Yeah I'm convinced I suffered from undiagnosed PTSD that took me a couple
years to recover from.  So Kat, be careful.  Don't feel like you can or
should work through it on your own.

Christine
xkatx - 15 Feb 2006 17:30 GMT
>>>Actually that doesn't look bad at all.  The car my kids were in was
>>>wrapped
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>
> Christine

Well, I know it's all stupid and pointless to sit and think like a dummy.  I
know people use cars all the time, all day, every day.  I know there's less
accidents than there are cars and people on the road, so I think that's a
good start.  I'm not even really sure what I'm scared about exactly, yet I
still seem to be!  lol
I think I am going to call around and see if I can work through something
with the help of a lawyer.  As of right now, I'm more pissed off about it
all than anything.
I got a call from that same cop that had called me the night before who said
he couldn't find my statement.  He called again at about 9:30pm to say that
he had found my statement and the registration for the car, and that was all
good.  He also said that based on what they have to go on, it seems that it
is MY fault.  Alright, I can deal with that if that has been proven, but
then the cop, in the same breath, had told me that it seems to be my fault
because I didn't leave enough time to clear the intersection BECAUSE they
cannot prove or not prove the truck was speeding.  That, he said, was the
one thing that seems to be the issue and reason for it being my fault.  I
asked him if he had even seen my car.  No one in their right mind should be
able to look at that car and confidently say that there is no way that the
truck was speeding.  The cop I was talking to said that he had seen the
car - but he had also seen the truck, and they cannot determine he was
speeding BECAUSE the truck had little damage to it.  Hello.  Are  you dumb?
Big truck front end vs. little car's side.  Which is stronger?  Truck or
car?  Front end or side?  Would doing 50km/h (about 30mph) cause that much
damage and toss and spin a car across the road and around?
THAT is the part that pisses me off.  If he simply said it's my fault, I
would easier accept that.  But he tossed in that it's my fault because no
one can say for sure if he was speeding or doing the speed limit.  That
right there is what makes me angry because I KNOW the intersection was clear
when I went to turn.  I KNOW that truck wasn't there and I KNOW he was
speeding.
My mom is going to call the insurance company and see if they can do
anything to prove speed was a factor.  See if they have an adjuster or
someone come out who can commit to saying, "Yes, based on damage, the truck
was speeding." or "No, based on damage, the truck was not speeding."  They
have people who deal with this kind of stuff every day, I assume, and people
who know accidents and damage involved, so I think it might be worth a try.
The officer that I talked to last night asked how B was and if he got hurt.
I told him he got hurt pretty bad, had a bad scalp laceration as well as a
fracture in his nose.  I said he's doing alright now, all things considered.
He's not dead or stuck as an invalid for the rest of his life, he survived.
The cop asked if he had any surgery or anything, and I told him yes, there
was a plastic surgeon that had to stitch up his head, but there was nothing
that could be done for the fracture.  He said, "No, I mean, did he go into
surgery and be put under?" and I said yes, that's what I had just told
you... He went into the OR, was put under and operated on by the plastic
surgeon at the Stollery Children's Hospital that same night, at around 11pm.
I knew exactly where he was going with this, and he then said at this point,
he doesn't know about charges.  He said he was going to talk to his boss and
explain some things and see what she says.  If she tells him, no, you must
go give a ticket and charge me, then he said he'll have to do that, but I
know he was asking to possibly go to his boss and say something like, "Look,
her young kid was hurt pretty good in this accident.  She's taken a beating
enough as it is with his injuries, why write her a ticket?"
Either way, he said he didn't know and would call me back anyways in the
next couple days.  He said he hoped he didn't have to come down and give me
a ticket, but if he does, I am definitely going to fight it.  No one can say
for sure if he was speeding.  I can definitely say for sure he was, and I'm
sure the guy in the truck could say if he was as well, but obviously that's
something that one would leave out of a statement in a case like this.  And,
come to think of it, I pictured in the intersection... I am facing west.
Truck is facing east.  Cars facing south and north would not have been able
to see the truck until it was pretty much right in front of them, given that
there were AT LEAST 2-3 cars, maybe even 3-4, in the inside lane turning
left (to go north)  They would not have been able to see half way down the
block to see if the truck had always been in the outside lane or if it had
been on the inside lane and changed lanes.  I know that truck wasn't there,
and yes, if it comes down to it, I will fight it for a dismissal or even a
lesser charge.  We'll contact the insurance and tell them the situation and
see if there's anything that can be done to determine speed, or to even just
determine if there was excessive speed or not.  I can guarantee there was,
but what's my word worth?  They didn't even really need my statement to make
a decision on fault, but I guess they had to wait anyways.  My dad says our
insurance probably wouldn't take a look at the car because there was no
collision on it, but I would assume my insurance would stand behind me and
try and help with something like this, given I was told the only factor was
that they can't definitively prove he was speeding.  Maybe insurance would
help so they didn't have to pay out for this guy's truck... I'm hoping
anyways, and now I'm ripped and ready for a battle.  I'll call around to
some lawyers and see if there's ANYTHING I can do.  Anything right now would
help, since I just found out that an ambulance bill, for starters, is more
along the lines of $400, not the $200 I had thought... That's double the
money I didn't have to start with for a bill.
Anyways, sort of went off on a rant.  My apologies!  I'm just real angry
about all this now.  I am standing my ground that the truck was definitely
not there until the last minute and that he was speeding for sure. ;) lol
'Kate - 15 Feb 2006 18:52 GMT
>Anyways, sort of went off on a rant.  My apologies!  I'm just real angry
>about all this now.  I am standing my ground that the truck was definitely
>not there until the last minute and that he was speeding for sure. ;) lol

The insurance company gets the ambulance bill. Send it to them. Ditto
with the tow truck bill if there's any... and any dr's bills.

Go get'em xkatx. :-)

'K
xkatx - 15 Feb 2006 20:47 GMT
>>Anyways, sort of went off on a rant.  My apologies!  I'm just real angry
>>about all this now.  I am standing my ground that the truck was definitely
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>
> 'K

Heh... My dad already had to pay some $400+ for the car's tow bill... He
wanted the car back since it's still mine due to no collision on the car,
and he figured why the heck would he pay for storage fees when he can park
it inside at his work.  ;)

I did call this one lawyer.  He's going to be stopping by here shortly after
5pm once Norm is home from work and bring some papers and all that, and go
through some other things with us both there.  I guess he said it's on his
way home from work anyways, so it's all good.
CME - 16 Feb 2006 01:55 GMT
> I did call this one lawyer.  He's going to be stopping by here shortly
> after 5pm once Norm is home from work and bring some papers and all that,
> and go through some other things with us both there.  I guess he said it's
> on his way home from work anyways, so it's all good.

My lawyer or another one?

Christine
xkatx - 16 Feb 2006 02:35 GMT
>> I did call this one lawyer.  He's going to be stopping by here shortly
>> after 5pm once Norm is home from work and bring some papers and all that,
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>
> Christine

I called this other one.  I'm not sure I like where he's at... He kind of
comes across as almost inconfident, and I don't know if that sits well with
me.  I don't know if it helps or you can call around to find something that
suits you or not, or if they're all the same or not.  I'm kind of weary with
all lawyers, but I did check my email and I did get your message, so I am
going to call tomorrow morning when I have a chance to do so.
This lawyer that someone else recommended just seems like he's lacking
confidence and experience.  That is something that I don't know if I could
handle.  Does the one you deal with seem like he's confident and knows
exactly what he's doing and all that?  I had trouble following what this
other guy was saying, and I pretty much had to have him and Norm spell it
all out for me before I understood what was going on.  I'm sure he knows
what he's talking about, though.  I guess I also need a different lawyer for
myself.  He said something about drivers/passengers need their own lawyers
and all that.  I'm confused ;)  as usual lol
CME - 16 Feb 2006 08:17 GMT
>>> I did call this one lawyer.  He's going to be stopping by here shortly
>>> after 5pm once Norm is home from work and bring some papers and all
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> for myself.  He said something about drivers/passengers need their own
> lawyers and all that.  I'm confused ;)  as usual lol

Brian's the major partner in his own firm and has been practicing law since
before we were born.

Christine
Lisa - 17 Feb 2006 20:31 GMT
 He also said that based on what they have to go on, it seems that it
> is MY fault.  Alright, I can deal with that if that has been proven, but
> then the cop, in the same breath, had told me that it seems to be my fault
> because I didn't leave enough time to clear the intersection BECAUSE they
> cannot prove or not prove the truck was speeding.  That, he said, was the
> one thing that seems to be the issue and reason for it being my fault.

Hey Kat, sorry for all the troubles.  Question....Were you at an
intersection with traffic lights?  Advanced green?  Generally, oncoming
traffic has the right of way so those hit when making a left turn through
the intersection is considered to be blocking the intersection.  That goes
pretty much for any left turn.  Does your province have those retired cops
that represent you in court to fight tickets, oh crap, who are they?
Anyways, if you are charged with something,,,,call those guys, whoever they
are.  lol...sorry, I really wanted to be helpful.

Lisa
xkatx - 17 Feb 2006 21:36 GMT
>  He also said that based on what they have to go on, it seems that it
>> is MY fault.  Alright, I can deal with that if that has been proven, but
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> Hey Kat, sorry for all the troubles.  Question....Were you at an
> intersection with traffic lights?  Advanced green?

Yes, it was an intersection.  Yes the light was green.  I was indeed turning
left.

> Generally, oncoming
> traffic has the right of way so those hit when making a left turn through
> the intersection is considered to be blocking the intersection.  That goes
> pretty much for any left turn.

That is true.  There's also so many factors in such an accident (as I've
found out)...
There's little things like 1) where the left turning car was hit - more
front end of a t bone, most likely left turning vehicle's fault.  More back
end of t boned vehicle, most likely the vehicle going straight's fault, as
it's accident avoidance, if at all possible.  Being hit on the front end of
the side means you most likely did not have time to clear the intersection.
Back end means the other car might have had some time to react and slow down
to avoid an accident, and then that goes to if 2) speed is or isn't a
factor.  That point of impact can be a factor.  I was hit more on the back
end, as the trunk has some damage, but the front end has none at all.  That
doesn't really matter at this point, though.
Also, 3) changing lanes in an intersection is very illegal.  This guy was
NOT coming at me when I went.  It was darker out and both he and I had our
lights on.  I would have seen him if he was coming at me.  I do stand by
that he was NOT there when I went to turn, and I stand by that he was using
excessive speed, given the amount of damage to my car, as well as the damage
to the other truck, as said by the driver's dad (who's truck it was), and
doing 50kms/hour would not have spun a car all the way around and across the
road, unless, of course, he hit the very, very back end of the car, which he
didn't.  It was more middle, but slightly back.
He would have had to change lanes behind 2-3 cars that were already in the
intersection turning left opposite of me.  He might have even been one of
those 2-3 cars, since little details like that weren't really things I had
really taken note of before turning.  I didn't really care how many cars
were turning or in the other lane, as the first car was turning left for
sure and holding up the rest of the traffic in that lane.  The outside lane
was empty for sure, and I had waited for one car coming towards me to clear
the intersection.  Road was clear all the way down after that one car I
waited for.  I had no way of seeing him as he was definitely in the other
lane, stuck behind cars turning.  He would have had no way of seeing me
either as you'd have to be checking back to see if cars were coming from
behind before changing lanes.

> Does your province have those retired cops
> that represent you in court to fight tickets, oh crap, who are they?
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>
> Lisa

There's no charges as of yet, AFAIK.  There's always these ads on the TV for
traffic voilation tickets that help you fight tickets.  I really don't know
if they are retired cops or one of Toucan Sam's nephews or something else.
I do plan to fight anything, and since I'm pretty much a stay at home mom, I
really don't have anything better to do ;) lol  I will fight it to be
dismissed as I do not believe I was in the wrong with my turn.  I do believe
he was in the wrong when he changed lanes a second before and hammed on the
gas.
My dad was given some names/numbers of people who can help us out when it
comes down to determining speed and damage to cars depending on speed.  In
the long run, charges really don't matter too much when it comes to fault of
an accident and who is responsible.  In the end, it's the insurance
companies that decided which one is at fault, and charges are totally
unrelated, but I know they'd most likely have give or pull to the insurance
companies when they make decisions.  It's kind of like a reinforcement, I
guess, where insurance company A can say B is at fault, and the charges
would help them make their point more solid.

No matter what, we're dealing with lawyers.  One for Bran, we've been given
a referral from that lawyer for one for Amie, and I am going to try calling
the one that CME suggested as well.  Be it my insurance or the other guy's,
I'm sticking with the lawyer(s) and I will be fighting any charges, if any.
Kat does not go down easy, nor does she give in ;)
xkatx - 14 Feb 2006 15:21 GMT
>> Wow... I got around to getting the pictures I have up... Me = still
>> amazed...
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>
> Christine

I definitely remember that with your boys... They were with your friend or
their aunt or something?  I can't remember details, not important, but I do
remember because I remember talking with Norm and saying something about the
jaws of life.
I also know it doesn't take much for a crash to be bad or even deadly, even
if damage looks like nothing.  I know the damage would have been way worse
if we were in a different car, like a newer car.  They seem to be made less
solid.  I know my old Volkswagen was definitely solid.  It stood up very
well, I think, to a big, speeding truck.  Not sure how it would take to a
pole, and I really don't care to try an experiment ;)
Cell phones are definitely good.  Everyone seems to have them, and it was a
lady at the scene that called Donna (Norm's mom) and I'm not sure how she
got Donna's number, but I must have given it since I didn't have my phone
right on me... Donna had to search through the car to find it, she said.
I like the idea of the ".ICE" - I read it in the Examiner (small community
paper) last week or so where the city police and similar are encouraging
people to put an entry into their cell phones and PDAs and such that is
titled ".ICE" - .In Case of Emergency - so that if you are unresponsive,
emergency crews can find emergency contacts if sh.t happens without having
to search through address books looking for a hit-or-miss contact.  (The .
at the front makes that contact at the very top of your list)
There seems to be glass and blood all over my car as well, and there was
glass all in Bran's hair the next morning when my mom and aunt gave his
bloody and dirty hair a little washing.  Hell, I found glass in my diaper
bag days later, even after taking everything out and dumping it out in the
garbage.  Found glass in Amie's car seat, under the material, a day later,
and her glass didn't even break.  She was on the opposite side of the car
even, yet there's glass everywhere.  Pockets, bags, hair, you name it!
 
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