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A former undercover drug detective takes parents and teachers into the dangerous world of teenage drug use. A must read blog for every parent and teacher. The blog is free and is supported by readers visiting all the life saving and informative links on the blog. http://parentsbattleplan.blogspot.com/ >A former undercover drug detective takes parents and teachers into the >dangerous world of teenage drug use. A must read blog for every parent >and teacher. The blog is free and is supported by readers visiting all >the life saving and informative links on the blog. > >http://parentsbattleplan.blogspot.com/ That was an excellent morning read. I learned a lot about the street names and amounts, symptoms, and behaviors of teens who have begun to use. I'm interning at an alternative school for pre- and teens. Most of the students have been sent for drug or anger management problems. I printed several chapters as a guide for questions that I can ask teens and their parents. I'll pass that URL along to the parents and share it with the other counselors. Thanks for posting. 'Kate >>A former undercover drug detective takes parents and teachers into the >>dangerous world of teenage drug use. A must read blog for every parent [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 'Kate Pretty good stuff. I agree Kate. But I did get a chuckle off the comment that one problem faced when smoking pot is the munchies. Hmmm.... what a suckie problem. I will also pass this to other parents. Many parents I know are in denial big time. T >Pretty good stuff. I agree Kate. But I did get a chuckle off the comment >that one problem faced when smoking pot is the munchies. Hmmm.... what a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >T If you wanna know what's going on with your kid, you should hear what their friends say about them to their parents or what your child tells other kids' parents. What do you all think about thoroughly inspecting your teen's room? 'K > >Pretty good stuff. I agree Kate. But I did get a chuckle off the comment > >that one problem faced when smoking pot is the munchies. Hmmm.... what a > >suckie problem. heh...... my daughter and her friend decided to spend the night at our house after a night out with other friends, they were 16. So M goes out to the kitchen about 12 midnight and there sits my daughter and her friend with all kinds of food out and stuffing thier faces, M says to them are ya's stoned? and they replied "NO the fridge is broke and we have to eat all the food before it goes bad! <hysterical laughter >" M comes to me and says the refrigerator is broke and S and A are eating all the food before it rots ! I said "they're stoned." I talked to them in the a.m. talking to stoned teens would not have been productive. > >I will also pass this to other parents. Many parents I know are in denial > >big time. > > >TIf >you wanna know what's going on with your kid, you should hear what > their friends say about them to their parents or what your child tells [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 'K Please allow my 2 cents on this one ! Total violation of thier privacy but............. My kids were told when they got older IF: 1) it's out in plain view they must have wanted me to see it. 2) if while searching for a). the dishes that mysteriously are missing and b).the fowl odor that is wafting out of thier room I find it. 3). thier behavior is c).secretive d).falling grades or e). failure to obey house rules, I will investigate thier rooms for clues as to why this is happening. So basically I gave 'em the chance to maintain some privacy for the most part. Both my children managed to violate 1,2 and 3 as well as a,b,c,d,and e !!!!!!!! so OH WELL! Both my kids told me what they did after they did it. I was not sharp with the first one , she told me when she was 23 what she did when she was a teen that I didn't know. She even got busted when she was 16 shop lifting and had her fathers mother bail her out and NO ONE told ME! The second really did not even bother to try and hide what she was doing, a benefit of her mental health I believe, which made it real easy to know and deal with. I am now aware my oldest smokes weed and drinks occasionally, she will be 25 in a month. She is also graduating from the art institute next month. You know those artist types . I have resigned myself to know she is old enough to make her own decisions and I respect that . I dont like it but it is not my life it is hers. That is what I told her. I'm not one to smoke because it makes me paranoid, there is nothing I hate more than paranoia! We wont discuss what alcohol does to me ! It is much safer for me to just be sober......<g> The youngest just cant use any mood altering substance, period. She has/will have children to be responsible for and her mental health condition worsens with substance use. This I have to keep a close eye on even though she is 19 years old, because she is an addictive personality.She is a self medicator. I will keep a close eye on it even when she moves out from my home. I have grand babies to protect. So be it....two different people two different opinions. They both know where I stand on the subject for each of them. I maintain a good example for them. There are a lot of people out there that think alcohol is not as bad as all the other substances hell society says it is legal!but I feel it is worse than some illegal substances......it is more dangerous and should be illegal! o.k. I'm done now.....<smirk> Ya'all have a nice day...<crawling to my coffee pot> On Nov 6, 7:33am, 'Kate <ath...@myownhome.net> wrote: > On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:19:19 GMT, "Tiffany" <t...@verizon.net> the > following was posted in blue dry erase marker: > > >Pretty good stuff. I agree Kate. But I did get a chuckle off the comment > >that one problem faced when smoking pot is the munchies. Hmmm.... what a > >suckie problem. heh...... my daughter and her friend decided to spend the night at our house after a night out with other friends, they were 16. So M goes out to the kitchen about 12 midnight and there sits my daughter and her friend with all kinds of food out and stuffing thier faces, M says to them are ya's stoned? and they replied "NO the fridge is broke and we have to eat all the food before it goes bad! <hysterical laughter >" M comes to me and says the refrigerator is broke and S and A are eating all the food before it rots ! I said "they're stoned." I talked to them in the a.m. talking to stoned teens would not have been productive. > >I will also pass this to other parents. Many parents I know are in denial > >big time. > > >TIf >you wanna know what's going on with your kid, you should hear what > their friends say about them to their parents or what your child tells [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 'K Please allow my 2 cents on this one ! Total violation of thier privacy but............. My kids were told when they got older IF: 1) it's out in plain view they must have wanted me to see it. 2) if while searching for a). the dishes that mysteriously are missing and b).the fowl odor that is wafting out of thier room I find it. 3). thier behavior is c).secretive d).falling grades or e). failure to obey house rules, I will investigate thier rooms for clues as to why this is happening. So basically I gave 'em the chance to maintain some privacy for the most part. Both my children managed to violate 1,2 and 3 as well as a,b,c,d,and e !!!!!!!! so OH WELL! Both my kids told me what they did after they did it. I was not sharp with the first one , she told me when she was 23 what she did when she was a teen that I didn't know. She even got busted when she was 16 shop lifting and had her fathers mother bail her out and NO ONE told ME! The second really did not even bother to try and hide what she was doing, a benefit of her mental health I believe, which made it real easy to know and deal with. I am now aware my oldest smokes weed and drinks occasionally, she will be 25 in a month. She is also graduating from the art institute next month. You know those artist types . I have resigned myself to know she is old enough to make her own decisions and I respect that . I dont like it but it is not my life it is hers. That is what I told her. I'm not one to smoke because it makes me paranoid, there is nothing I hate more than paranoia! We wont discuss what alcohol does to me ! It is much safer for me to just be sober......<g> The youngest just cant use any mood altering substance, period. She has/will have children to be responsible for and her mental health condition worsens with substance use. This I have to keep a close eye on even though she is 19 years old, because she is an addictive personality.She is a self medicator. I will keep a close eye on it even when she moves out from my home. I have grand babies to protect. So be it....two different people two different opinions. They both know where I stand on the subject for each of them. I maintain a good example for them. There are a lot of people out there that think alcohol is not as bad as all the other substances hell society says it is legal!but I feel it is worse than some illegal substances......it is more dangerous and should be illegal! o.k. I'm done now.....<smirk> Ya'all have a nice day...<crawling to my coffee pot> You are right, at 25 she can make her own disicions. Personally I don't feel at that age its a problem. I am not an anti-pot person actaully. What worries me is young kids taking mind altering substances when they are still so confused and immature. This is what I have told my daughter. As she gets older, I am sure it will then be her choice and as long as she is living right and being responsible, so be it. And I know that pot is always condemned the gate-way drug and for many it probably is. But not everyone becomes a junkie after smoking pot. My rant is over. Continue drinking coffee. LOL Snippity bippity boo ! > You are right, at 25 she can make her own disicions. Personally I don't feel > at that age its a problem. I am not an anti-pot person actaully. What [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > LOL "I swear I never inhaled !!!!" <looking innocent> Seriously though, I agree that I too am not anti pot . I do not smoke it at this time in my life it does not do anything to make me want to. I have the belief that in some situations pot can and should be legal to use medicinally. Young minds that are still developing should not be contaminated with any non medical substance. In my opinion there is a fine line in using even prescription drugs with children. I try not to worry so much with my oldest because she truly has a good head on her shoulders, she knows she can come to me with anything. I've been lucky , she is responsible and I trust her to be. I so can not wait to see her walk! I'll be flyin out to San Jose on Dec 13 th and return home on the 27th, I even get to spend a night with my Mom and Sis before I fly home! o.k back on subject <g>...... I know I tried alcohol before I tried pot at 14 years old, I continued both through to my 20's tried some other things like amphetamines, coke, meth, and mescaline all had to do with the people I called my friends, thank the powers that be that I never got hooked on any of that stuff ,or busted or dead, I stopped using everything but alcohol at 26 years of age on my own no rehab necessary. I was a bad mother in my opinion of what I did during my oldests first five years. I was young, I made mistakes ,I'm also honest enough and not too proud to admit it. You know what was the worse problem over the years ALCOHOL! So there ya have it.I feel the gateway to my drug use as a teen and young adult was alcohol. Drugs are bad, don't get me wrong I have watched my sister's addictions to crack and heroin that are killing her, why she is still alive I do not know..... I hear about more deaths of our teens, at least here in this State, caused by alcohol. I have never heard of someone dying from over intoxication of pot.......Also the driving accidents that are killing our kids are alcohol related. Pot = illegal = munchies....good treatment for "wasting syndrome" Alcohol = legal = death hello ! Oh and if I lost brain cells in all of that I'm not noticing them missing lol! Matter of fact I'm pretty telligent ! ;-) >Snippity bippity boo ! > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >return home on the 27th, I even get to spend a night with my Mom and >Sis before I fly home! Yeah! and Yeah! >o.k back on subject <g>...... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >caused by alcohol. I have never heard of someone dying from over >intoxication of pot....... Yeah, but you never know what lung cancer rates will look like in 20-30 years. That 8hit ain't filtered (bongs excepted). Pot does lower inhibitions. People who are high act stupid. Some stare at plants. Others have "pipe dreams". Paranoia. Munchies. and when they try to quit, if they've been smoking often, they will get insomnia and can become aggressive/angry. >Also the driving accidents that are killing >our kids are alcohol related. It's DUI... doesn't mean alcohol.. anything that alters reality/perception is worthy of a DUI. >Pot = illegal = munchies....good treatment for "wasting syndrome" >Alcohol = legal = death [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Oh and if I lost brain cells in all of that I'm not noticing them >missing lol! Matter of fact I'm pretty telligent ! ;-) yes, you are! 'K > >Snippity bippity boo ! > > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Yeah, but you never know what lung cancer rates will look like in 20-30 > years. That 8hit ain't filtered (bongs excepted). Yeah, but there are more and more cases of lung cancer surfacing in people that never smoked so much as a ham ! <smirk> Speaking of bongs, I think I was the plant that night ...yowzaaa! > Pot does lower inhibitions. Oh yes and how embarassing that can be ! >People who are high act stupid. at least they have a good reason for it....what about the stupid people that arent high? <g> >Some stare at plants. or as I said up there ^ ......are the plants! roflol! >Others have "pipe dreams". Paranoia. Munchies. and when they > try to quit, if they've been smoking often, they will get insomnia and > can become aggressive/angry. seriously ......yes I know there are the down falls of being a stoner ..... > >Also the driving accidents that are killing > >our kids are alcohol related. > > It's DUI... doesn't mean alcohol.. anything that alters > reality/perception is worthy of a DUI. Oh I know this ! What I see tho is that the front page stories of our teens dying in car wrecks, it is found that 99.9 percent of the time Alcohol is most definately involved in both driver and occupants levels being well over the legal limit for legal users of alcohol. So here we have our children consuming this stuff and getting in cars! Where as other substances are not mentioned as a contributor to the accident. I dont think there are as many stoners getting killed in car wrecks as there are alcohol consumers....... > >Pot = illegal = munchies....good treatment for "wasting syndrome" > >Alcohol = legal = death [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > yes, you are! Confucius say ......maybe it was the pot! ....... J/K of course :-) Bev > 'K >> >I hear about more deaths of our teens, at least here in this State, >> >caused by alcohol. I have never heard of someone dying from over [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Yeah, but there are more and more cases of lung cancer surfacing in >people that never smoked so much as a ham ! <smirk> There are several types of lung cancer and many causes. And yes, people who have never smoked can get lung cancer. However, the incidence rate for smokers is higher than nonsmokers (of anything). >Speaking of bongs, I think I was the plant that night ...yowzaaa! > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >dont think there are as many stoners getting killed in car wrecks as >there are alcohol consumers....... How would anyone know? Alcohol abuse is the one we hear about the most because of organizations like MADD. Alcohol is the first suspected substance when an accident happens... you can smell it on the person, there are cans or bottles, it's the one that is tested for by breathalyzer. It takes a urine test to prove pot was a factor and if a suspect tests positive, it doesn't mean that the person was smoking that day. It could have been smoked at any time within 9 weeks of the test (if the person uses daily). Because of the slow rate of "getting clean", it's easy for a lawyer to get a user off because the test cannot show that the person was impaired at that particular time. Alcohol, however, has a definite rate of absorption and... disabsorption? We know that it takes a shorter time for alcohol levels to drop. >> >Pot = illegal = munchies....good treatment for "wasting syndrome" >> >Alcohol = legal = death [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Bev Ah.... what? :-) 'K > >> >I hear about more deaths of our teens, at least here in this State, > >> >caused by alcohol. I have never heard of someone dying from over [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > However, the incidence rate for smokers is higher than nonsmokers (of > anything). So yes the long term effects of pot smoking could lead to lung cancer you are right. > >Speaking of bongs, I think I was the plant that night ...yowzaaa! > > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > has a definite rate of absorption and... disabsorption? We know that it > takes a shorter time for alcohol levels to drop. Accurate info .....my point is/was that the news stories are not saying pot was a factor or coke was a factor etc in the accident, they can tell by toxicology exams that there may have been "levels" of other drugs and will report it but not too often do we hear those levels were a contributing factor in the cause for the accident . Alcohol on the other hand is more often noted as a factor . > >> >Pot = illegal = munchies....good treatment for "wasting syndrome" > >> >Alcohol = legal = death [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > 'K Ah...you heard me er read me...lol! Bev >> >> >I hear about more deaths of our teens, at least here in this State, >> >> >caused by alcohol. I have never heard of someone dying from over [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >a contributing factor in the cause for the accident . Alcohol on the >other hand is more often noted as a factor . Once they find sufficient proof that a driver's impaired, they don't usually look for more proof unless it happens to fall into their laps. Also, all drug tests are not alike. There are zero tolerance tests and there are home type tests. Only the zero tolerance tests are reliable and, if I'm not mistaken, the only ones that can be used in court as proof of not having used. >And I know that pot is always >condemned the gate-way drug and for many it probably is. But not everyone >becomes a junkie after smoking pot. Tobacco is now the new "gateway" drug. I don't know if that's because the powers that be have decided that it is a "drug" so now they study it differently. 'K >>And I know that pot is always >>condemned the gate-way drug and for many it probably is. But not everyone [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > 'K So then it should be illegal?? lol It should atleast demand that smokers pay a higher price for their drug of choice. >>>And I know that pot is always >>>condemned the gate-way drug and for many it probably is. But not everyone [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >It should atleast demand that smokers pay a higher price for their drug of >choice. They do. The price of a pack is more than doubled by taxes in most areas. >>>>And I know that pot is always >>>>condemned the gate-way drug and for many it probably is. But not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > They do. The price of a pack is more than doubled by taxes in most > areas. Still not enough and the taxes should go to health care. But just my opinion. They should also have to pay higher premiums for health insurance but I think other classes of folks should pay higher premiums too BUT that is a whole other newsgroup. >>>>>And I know that pot is always >>>>>condemned the gate-way drug and for many it probably is. But not [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >think other classes of folks should pay higher premiums too BUT that is a >whole other newsgroup. They pay higher life insurance rates. They also feed the system with social security money because they die sooner... and they don't use the same ongoing level of care once they're older. Lung cancer takes'em pretty quickly. My understanding of private health insurance policies is that they cost more for smokers and they often test for nicotine in the system. >>>>>>And I know that pot is always >>>>>>condemned the gate-way drug and for many it probably is. But not [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > My understanding of private health insurance policies is that they cost > more for smokers and they often test for nicotine in the system. So what's next? Higher premiums for anyone who's 'obese', since that causes health problems too? What about people who drink alcohol? They're impairing their own health too...... as is anyone who picks up an STD, anyone who drives too fast, anyone with high cholesterol, or diabetes.... By the time you get done, everyone will fall into some group who "should also have to pay higher premiums for health insurance" And then we're right back at square one. >So what's next? Higher premiums for anyone who's 'obese', since that causes >health problems too? What about people who drink alcohol? They're >impairing their own health too...... as is anyone who picks up an STD, >anyone who drives too fast, anyone with high cholesterol, or diabetes.... higher premiums for women who have the breast cancer gene, or people who are in dangerous professions - pilots, plant workers, doctors... >By the time you get done, everyone will fall into some group who "should >also have to pay higher premiums for health insurance" > >And then we're right back at square one. I see what you mean. >>Pretty good stuff. I agree Kate. But I did get a chuckle off the comment >>that one problem faced when smoking pot is the munchies. Hmmm.... what a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > 'K Oh I know. What kiddo has told me of her friends lives, sort of scary. I always tell her, and see,..... you actually have the GOOD mom! I inspect when I need to. If I feel like it, I will. I will not however, at this point, read any journal entries. I promised her so that she could use it as a coping tool for dealing with her father's death. Wrong or not, I will check her book bag and under the bed. If I find anything, chances are I will sit on it till I can bust her in a way that she won't know I was snooping. I also snoop on her MySpace, but she knows that. It was the condition of her having it. God help some of these kids and what the post online. What about you Kate? >>>Pretty good stuff. I agree Kate. But I did get a chuckle off the comment >>>that one problem faced when smoking pot is the munchies. Hmmm.... what a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >What about you Kate? I totally admit to snooping. I won't tell what I know until I have good reason but I don't want them sneaking around either. I know that my oldest has smoked pot. I know my son has tried pot, alcohol, and cigarettes. I found them all relatively quickly. Somehow, doing what your mom knows you do isn't as much fun as being sneaky. My youngest, so far, just alcohol and for a very short period of time (couple of weeks the summer before high school started). I tell my kids that I will drug test if I suspect they're high. They believe me. They'd better. I absolutely have gone through their rooms. I would do it again if I had reason to. I don't necessarily think it's right... I just think it's safer than letting them continue on the wrong path. The problem with checking myspace is that they can have several pages... one for mom, one for the friends. I've seen some pretty nasty MySpace pages... it comes up a lot in the school. Evidently, girls can continue the nasty school bullying online from home. 'K >>>>Pretty good stuff. I agree Kate. But I did get a chuckle off the comment >>>>that one problem faced when smoking pot is the munchies. Hmmm.... what a [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > 'K Yeah, all this online crap is making it so they have no break from the school drama. It goes on and on. But they feed into it, partake in it. Its as easy as not going online. I will on occasion look through the friends friends list...... always checking for that hidden myspace. lol Kids.... they keep you on your toes. Some days I just want to say screw it.... do what you want! But that doesn't last more then an hour. >I will on occasion look through the friends friends list...... always >checking for that hidden myspace. lol Me too! LOL >Kids.... they keep you on your toes. >Some days I just want to say screw it.... do what you want! But that doesn't >last more then an hour. I can relate to that. I don't want to know everything that's going on in my children's lives. They know, by this age, how to hide something from me. They can always go to each other for advice and help and often do. Between the three of them, they usually come up with the right thing to do. 'k >>I will on occasion look through the friends friends list...... always >>checking for that hidden myspace. lol [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 'k That's all you can ask for, right? (I am glad I am not the only parent that My Space snoops. lol) >>Pretty good stuff. I agree Kate. But I did get a chuckle off the comment >>that one problem faced when smoking pot is the munchies. Hmmm.... what a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What do you all think about thoroughly inspecting your teen's room? My kids know, bottom line, they have no rights. They live in my home, on my nickel, while the rest of the nickels pay for everything around here. Yes, if it's in plain view, it was there to be seen. Yes, I have the right to go into their rooms at will. Yes, I have the right to their usernames and passwords for email (and if they don't work, I will force them to cancel). They're kids. I'm the adult. If they break the law, the law will find me, as their parent, responsible. And ya know what? It works, at least here. The worst trouble my oldest got into was to be on the receiving end of a punch to the face (for which the puncher was found guilty) - the worst trouble my younger has gotten into was detention for being late to class. They talk to me - sure, probably not about everything everything, but certainly about the important stuff (opposite sex, drugs, all that stuff), when and if I catch them lying, it's about the little stuff (like being home by curfew versus 20 minutes late)... And in return for following the rules of the house, respecting me as the keeper of the goodies, and staying in school and out of trouble, they are allowed their privacy. It works for us. > 'K >My kids know, bottom line, they have no rights. They live in my home, on my >nickel, while the rest of the nickels pay for everything around here. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >They're kids. I'm the adult. If they break the law, the law will find me, >as their parent, responsible. Damn right! >And ya know what? It works, at least here. The worst trouble my oldest got >into was to be on the receiving end of a punch to the face (for which the >puncher was found guilty) - the worst trouble my younger has gotten into was >detention for being late to class. Wow... you've done a GREAT job keeping your kids safe! >They talk to me - sure, probably not about everything everything, but >certainly about the important stuff (opposite sex, drugs, all that stuff), [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >It works for us. Rules sure do make parenting easier. You wouldn't believe the number of parents and kids that don't know and don't set rules. "They should know"... um.... how? Tell them what you expect and check up. I didn't expect my kids to get into what they did but they were caught right away when they made bad decisions. They were told. They chose not to follow the rules. They payed the price. They know I'll test. The schools here are rife with drugs. The community that I live in is ineffective at controlling illicit drugs. All the kids know which house sells. It's a shame. It makes everyone unsafe. 'K >>My kids know, bottom line, they have no rights. They live in my home, on >>my [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > 'K Don't feel bad..... I think most schools are ripe with drugs now a days. I also will test on a drop of a dime. And she will pay for the test. lol >>>My kids know, bottom line, they have no rights. They live in my home, on >>>my [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >I also will test on a drop of a dime. And she will pay for the test. lol The threat alone gives them something to say when they're offered. "Sorry, I can't. Mom drug tests." > >>>My kids know, bottom line, they have no rights. They live in my home, on > >>>my [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > The threat alone gives them something to say when they're offered. > "Sorry, I can't. Mom drug tests." lol... but only if mom suspects something. Kids can be so sneaky. Gotta love em. >A former undercover drug detective takes parents and teachers into the > dangerous world of teenage drug use. A must read blog for every parent > and teacher. The blog is free and is supported by readers visiting all > the life saving and informative links on the blog. > > http://parentsbattleplan.blogspot.com/ |
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