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CME - 24 Apr 2005 09:44 GMT
I just got home from Melbourne, we actually ended up staying another week.
I'm seriously considering a move, but I'm struggling with how much of an
adjustment that would be for the boys, as well as myself.  Although I was
given many opportunities to stay, uprooting to the other side of the world
is a huge step.  I'll give it a few months, let them finish school and look
at making an informed decision then, instead of flying by the seat of my
pants... but part of me just wants to run and do it. :(

Any thoughts/advice?

Christine
Cele - 24 Apr 2005 16:25 GMT
>I just got home from Melbourne, we actually ended up staying another week.
>I'm seriously considering a move, but I'm struggling with how much of an
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>
>Any thoughts/advice?

When we went to live in Australia for a year, the girls were 12 & 14.
They were initially not at all keen, because it was unfamiliar and
they didn't know anything about Oz. Suffice it to say, ever since we
went, they've wanted to go back. Both talk of living there some day.

If you decide to do it, give them lots of information about what Oz is
like. Talk about Little Athletics, if they're into sports. Talk about
the beaches and the sun. Warn them about school uniforms (mine were
vehemently opposed and now think that uniforms are the only way to
go). Get them on the web, looking at pictures. Show them the websites
for attractions in the area you want to go to.

Also, consider that the Aussie dollar is smaller than ours. While
you're there on Canadian money, you feel richer. If you moved there,
you'd be earning their dollars, and it can be hard to get back to
Canada if you don't think that one through.

Be aware of the Australian-Canadian Association. I'm too lazy to look
for links right now 'cause I'm off to church, but if you surf it
you'll find it. Those guys are friendly and can help you settle in.

And be grateful it's olympic year here instead of there. I was there
for theirs, and now I'm here for ours. [sigh]

Good luck, and keep us posted!

Cele
CME - 26 Apr 2005 03:24 GMT
>>I just got home from Melbourne, we actually ended up staying another week.
>>I'm seriously considering a move, but I'm struggling with how much of an
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>
> Cele

Well I took them with me for the 3 weeks I was there and although they liked
it, the things that are important to 9 year old boys, Oz lacked.  The
insignificant things like the cheese tastes different, granola bars, chicken
noodle soup... you name it, it's different.  I find Canada alot easier to
live in, with conveniences like Superstores etc but I adjusted just fine,
for a vacation... permanently... oi that's another matter I think.  And
dollar for dollar, it's roughly the same because I found items to be just as
expensive if not more because instead of tipping and tax, they worked it in
the final price.  But what an exciting place to live, the weather, the
nightlife, the traffic, the 4 million people, I had so much fun I'm just
itching to go back. lol

Christine
P. Fritz - 24 Apr 2005 17:38 GMT
 >I just got home from Melbourne, we actually ended up staying another
week.
 > I'm seriously considering a move, but I'm struggling with how much of an
 > adjustment that would be for the boys, as well as myself.  Although I
was
 > given many opportunities to stay, uprooting to the other side of the
world
 > is a huge step.  I'll give it a few months, let them finish school and
look
 > at making an informed decision then, instead of flying by the seat of my
 > pants... but part of me just wants to run and do it. :(
 >
 > Any thoughts/advice?

 Yeah.....if you do go, you have to get a place with a spare bedroom for us
visitors   :-)

 >
 > Christine
 >
 >
CME - 26 Apr 2005 03:27 GMT
>  >I just got home from Melbourne, we actually ended up staying another
> week.
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>  >
>  > Christine

Most definitely.  I ended up staying with a friend for a couple weeks and it
was so neat to see how they really live down under.  I don't know if my gf's
family was any real indication but they're so laid back and uncaring about
the small stuff.  Whereas I grew up in a household of organization, and to
do lists. lol  But yes if I do move, I'm a great host. ;)

Christine
'Kate - 25 Apr 2005 05:11 GMT
>I just got home from Melbourne, we actually ended up staying another week.
>I'm seriously considering a move, but I'm struggling with how much of an
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>
>Christine

My experience was a lot like Cele's... except it wasn't Australia, it
was Florida but the kids loved it and they would move back in a
heartbeat.

'Kate
steveb - 25 Apr 2005 09:14 GMT
>Any thoughts/advice?

Christine, none of us can offer any certainty about how you and your
family will react to such a move. By any measure, it's awesome. Paul
Griffiths can tell you how it is for him, to be moving continents, and
I can tell you a little of my experience.

In the end tho, you have to accept that you will never do anything
else more daunting, or more exciting.

Moving from the UK to the United States is proving rewarding and
frustrating in equal measure. I have found that all the solutions to
problems we found in the UK, are just different enough here to be
confusing. All the more because you would think that nearly sharing a
language should make it easy. It's kinda like permenant *brain fog*.
The bonus is that travel really does broaden the mind. You will find
that accepting the fact that the answers to problems can be different,
in different countries, helps you to realise that your own ideas
aren't necessarily the ONLY ideas, and may not even be the best ideas.
It's liberating.

Australia is almost an English speaking country, and I imagine you
will have some of these feelings yourself.

For my part, I treasure them. The whole thing is a voyage of discovery
that leaves me feeling *more* than I was before ... and priviledged
too.

The biggest single issue for me is the people I have left behind.
Parents, siblings, friends and my children (it's a long story, best
told another time)

So having decided to put 5000 miles between us, the single most
important issue was how to shorten the distance. In our case, it's a
reasonable plane ride (10 hours incl. one change) and is affordable,
so the kids can visit regularly. The journey to Aus. is a much longer
and pricier one.

We have set up a phone link so the boys (and anyone else) can call for
the cost of a local call in the UK, and I can call them free.

Email accounts help too .... but we are doing other things as well. I
started an on-line journal which both kids, and the rest of the family
enjoy reading and commenting on. Old fashoined letters and regular
small parcels help .... I gave Tom an mp3 player, and he sends me the
SD card to change the music for him .... we also set up a *Geocaching*
Travel Bug (ask) to get from them to me.

It all helps. In your case, do it your own way, but keep the
communication open.

To give the move a fair chance to work, I found I had to commit to it
100%, that is .... no going back. This doesn't mean I couldn't go
back, simply that I abandoned any idea of doing so. None of that
implies one needs to give up family and friends, nor to lose contact
with them ..... but enjoy your new friends too. Don't allow
*homesickness* any houseroom .... you ARE home :)

In the end, as well as asking whether or not you should do this, ask
yourself too how you will feel if you don't do it. If your answer is
that you are, and should remain, happy in Canada, then stay and have
no regrets. If not ...... hang on and enjoy the ride.

hth

steveb
CME - 26 Apr 2005 03:42 GMT
>>Any thoughts/advice?
>
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>
> steveb

Fabulous post, thanks so much.  You're dead on about those cultural
differences even though it's an English speaking country.  It took a full
week and a bit of tears on my part because I felt like a fish out of water
but after I got my bearings and stuck to it like a good little Canadian, I
fell in love with the place and my thoughts are consumed with going back.

However I need to think about my kids. I'd be ripping them away from family
and friends and a whole way of life so I want to do what's right not only
for myself but for them.  Anyways, I have a couple months to make a decision
but it's going to be huge if I do decide to move.  I'd have to sell most of
my belongings, which to some isn't such a big deal but to a single Mom, it's
a big part of me.  Oi.

Christine
P.Fritz - 26 Apr 2005 15:11 GMT
>>>Any thoughts/advice?
>>
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>
> Christine

Moving with your kids to try to provide a better life for them is far
different from abandoning them and moving an ocean away.
steveb - 26 Apr 2005 16:46 GMT
>Moving with your kids to try to provide a better life for them is far
>different from abandoning them and moving an ocean away.

I don't recall anywhere in Christine's post her mentioning she was
abandoning her kids.

steveb <-- off to re-read :)
CME - 26 Apr 2005 17:04 GMT
>>Moving with your kids to try to provide a better life for them is far
>>different from abandoning them and moving an ocean away.
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>
> steveb <-- off to re-read :)

Actually he was referring to you.  No offence but as a single parent, I
could never do that to my kids, no amount of money or opportunity in the
world would be worth it.

Christine
P.Fritz - 26 Apr 2005 17:52 GMT
>>>Moving with your kids to try to provide a better life for them is far
>>>different from abandoning them and moving an ocean away.
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>
> Christine

poor stevey......clueless (and self centered) as usual.
steveb - 26 Apr 2005 19:13 GMT
>poor stevey......clueless (and self centered) as usual.

Actually Paul .... I answered Christine's question.

It is you who made this thread about me, not I.

As usual ..... Paul is clueless and self-absorbed

steveb
steveb - 26 Apr 2005 19:16 GMT
>Actually he was referring to you.  No offence but as a single parent, I
>could never do that to my kids, no amount of money or opportunity in the
>world would be worth it.

This thread is about you, Christine, and not me. I have no intention
of making it about me, I simply answered your request for help and
advice.

As usual, take what you need, and leave the rest will probably be
best.

Please don't confuse Paul's adolescent attempts to begin a fight, with
the support I attempted to offer.

steveb
CME - 27 Apr 2005 04:42 GMT
>>Actually he was referring to you.  No offence but as a single parent, I
>>could never do that to my kids, no amount of money or opportunity in the
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>
> steveb

I don't mind, I've been here long enough I'm used to flames. ;)  But yeah
thanks for the input.

Christine
P. Fritz - 27 Apr 2005 04:56 GMT
 >
 > "steveb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
 > news:571t61h1gec8tcac7s1bhcab2npkppt3eq@4ax.com...
 >> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:04:35 GMT, "CME" <cmedwards9@hotmail.com>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>>Actually he was referring to you.  No offence but as a single parent, I
 >>>could never do that to my kids, no amount of money or opportunity in
the
 >>>world would be worth it.
 >>
 >> This thread is about you, Christine, and not me. I have no intention
 >> of making it about me, I simply answered your request for help and
 >> advice.
 >>
 >> As usual, take what you need, and leave the rest will probably be
 >> best.
 >>
 >> Please don't confuse Paul's adolescent attempts to begin a fight, with
 >> the support I attempted to offer.
 >>
 >> steveb
 >
 > I don't mind, I've been here long enough I'm used to flames. ;)  But
yeah
 > thanks for the input.
 >
 > Christine

 <snicker>   I see stevey still has the overinflated sense of self
importance.

 As I stated before.......moving with the kids to better yourself if far
different from abandoning your kids.....one is selfless the other one is
selfish.   Poor stevey attempt to make the two similar is what has been
'asdolescent'

 >
 >
P.Fritz - 27 Apr 2005 14:20 GMT
>>>Actually he was referring to you.  No offence but as a single parent, I
>>>could never do that to my kids, no amount of money or opportunity in the
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>
> Christine

And speaking of adolescent behavior

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.stop-smoking/msg/6c17af99fc33041
b?dmode=source&hl=en


What a mar00n
steveb - 27 Apr 2005 15:38 GMT
>And speaking of adolescent behavior

Yes ... and she did reply, with grace and charm.

What a complete contrast to you .... pity

steveb
CME - 27 Apr 2005 15:56 GMT
>>>>Actually he was referring to you.  No offence but as a single parent, I
>>>>could never do that to my kids, no amount of money or opportunity in the
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>
> What a mar00n

LOL Paul.

Christine
P.Fritz - 27 Apr 2005 16:30 GMT
>>>>>Actually he was referring to you.  No offence but as a single parent, I
>>>>>could never do that to my kids, no amount of money or opportunity in
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>
> Christine

People in glass houses.................
xkatx - 28 Apr 2005 16:08 GMT
>>>>>>Actually he was referring to you.  No offence but as a single parent,
>>>>>>I
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>
> People in glass houses.................

What about toilets?
http://www.thegreenhead.com/watercooler/2004/07/mirrored-glass-toilet-are-you-br
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steveb - 27 Apr 2005 19:54 GMT
>Christine

Does it not worry you at all that he is so obsessed he follows me to
other groups?

Quite fankly, given our (mine and your) past around here it should be
no surprise I asked 'Kate whether or not you would reply.

It isn't suspicious, it isn't an issue. You did reply, and very
nicely, ty. Paul has no excuse for his posts

steveb
CME - 28 Apr 2005 00:52 GMT
>>Christine
>
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>
> steveb

Why bother ask at all?  Come on, the coy card doesn't suit you.

Christine
Tiffany - 28 Apr 2005 01:46 GMT
>>>Christine
>>
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>
> Christine

To play the game again. Steve comes to play with us then leaves.

I do hope Christine that you do consider the move if it is feasible for you
and the boys. Sounds like a great learning experience for you all. Of
course, there is no need to hurry, you can take time to plan and save money.

I can't even get the guts to move south yet. I wish I could consider moving
to another continent. :)

Tiffany
P. Fritz - 28 Apr 2005 04:00 GMT
 >
 > "steveb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
 > news:8qnv619iak6piqn2cu45mkrdut920jro4h@4ax.com...
 >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:56:15 GMT, "CME" <cmedwards9@hotmail.com>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>>Christine
 >>
 >> Does it not worry you at all that he is so obsessed he follows me to
 >> other groups?
 >>
 >> Quite fankly, given our (mine and your) past around here it should be
 >> no surprise I asked 'Kate whether or not you would reply.
 >>
 >> It isn't suspicious, it isn't an issue. You did reply, and very
 >> nicely, ty. Paul has no excuse for his posts
 >>
 >> steveb
 >
 > Why bother ask at all?  Come on, the coy card doesn't suit you.
 >
 > Christine

 <snicker>   poor stevey......clueless and ASSuming once again........

 FYI,   I didn't follow him anywhere,   an anoymous email tipped me off.

 It's pretty funny how defensive he gets when caught with his hand in the
cookie jar.

 >
 >
'Kate - 28 Apr 2005 04:30 GMT
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:00:13 -0400, "P. Fritz"
<paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> the following was posted in blue
crayon:

>  FYI,   I didn't follow him anywhere,   an anoymous email tipped me off.

I hope they sent you my posts from as3 too!  :-)

'Kate
P. Fritz - 28 Apr 2005 04:36 GMT
 > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:00:13 -0400, "P. Fritz"
 > <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> the following was posted in blue
 > crayon:
 >
 >
 >>  FYI,   I didn't follow him anywhere,   an anoymous email tipped me
off.
 >
 > I hope they sent you my posts from as3 too!  :-)
 >
 > 'Kate

 Nope......whyy?    It that where you have been practicing your witty
repartee?......or throwing darts at the rest of us?   LOL

 >
'Kate - 28 Apr 2005 05:14 GMT
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:36:41 -0400, "P. Fritz"
<paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> the following was posted in blue
crayon:

>  > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:00:13 -0400, "P. Fritz"
>  > <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> the following was posted in blue
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>  Nope......whyy?    It that where you have been practicing your witty
>repartee?......or throwing darts at the rest of us?   LOL

Nah... I hardly post there.  I don't have that kind of time. Besides,
there's no group quite like this one.  I really do love ya all.

'Kate
steveb - 28 Apr 2005 18:58 GMT
> It's pretty funny how defensive he gets when caught with his hand in the
>cookie jar.

Ya know Pauly .....

My *Give a damn*'s busted :)

stevey weevy fe-fi feevy
steveb - 27 Apr 2005 15:37 GMT
>I don't mind, I've been here long enough I'm used to flames. ;)  But yeah
>thanks for the input.

You're welcome Christine.

btw ... I'm not about to join in the other *unpleasantness* in this
thread ... others can read and form their own judgements.

Good luck with you decision

steveb
V - 28 Apr 2005 03:40 GMT
>>Moving with your kids to try to provide a better life for them is far
>>different from abandoning them and moving an ocean away.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> steveb <-- off to re-read :)

Paul is just a jerk. Ignore him.
V
P. Fritz - 28 Apr 2005 04:01 GMT
 >
 > "steveb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
 > news:saos619grvjv9vpb6a4nm0hjvu7674mg01@4ax.com...
 >> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:11:37 -0400, "P.Fritz"
 >> <paulNOfritzSPAM@voyager.net> wrote:
 >>
 >>>Moving with your kids to try to provide a better life for them is far
 >>>different from abandoning them and moving an ocean away.
 >>
 >> I don't recall anywhere in Christine's post her mentioning she was
 >> abandoning her kids.
 >>
 >> steveb <-- off to re-read :)
 >
 > Paul is just a jerk. Ignore him.
 > V

 LMAO.......still keeping your head buried in the sand?

 >
 >
V - 28 Apr 2005 17:02 GMT
>  >
>  > "steveb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>  >
>  >

No. Why should I? I am beautiful and smart.
V
P.Fritz - 28 Apr 2005 18:06 GMT
>>  >
>>  > "steveb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> No. Why should I? I am beautiful and smart.
> V

Because you continue to believe in agendas and not facts  as shown through
your postings.
steveb - 28 Apr 2005 14:16 GMT
>Paul is just a jerk. Ignore him.

I knew there was a reason I liked you :)
V - 28 Apr 2005 17:04 GMT
>>Paul is just a jerk. Ignore him.
>
> I knew there was a reason I liked you :)

:) Back at you. It is best to ignore his grandiose thinking. At times, I can
not.
V
P.Fritz - 28 Apr 2005 18:08 GMT
>>>Paul is just a jerk. Ignore him.
>>
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> can not.
> V

LMAO..........it is you who choses  agenda over facts..
CME - 26 Apr 2005 17:03 GMT
>>>>Any thoughts/advice?
>>>
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> Moving with your kids to try to provide a better life for them is far
> different from abandoning them and moving an ocean away.

Ooo I missed reading that part.  Eek.

Christine
 
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