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Family Forum / Parenting / Spanking / January 2005About the sound of a whipping
I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then beat their bare skin with a weapon such as a belt is an utter piece of trash.itell you this for sure.I am a 39 year old 220 pound man.and if I EVER heard that going on;I would take down the pants of the parent;man or woman doing it and whip them till they begged like that child right in front of them. God help those of you who engage in that someone like me ever see it.I may or may not get in trouble for kicking your door down and whipping you black and blue in front of the child your beating.But God as my witness it would all be after the fact. I hear some of you here say it isint a big deal.Well then it should not be a big deal when I do it to you either.Small wonder little boys grow up to be men that abuse their own children and beat on their wives.How could any child beaten like that by his mother not grow to percieve women as monsters. You let me walk past a house and hear that.Your neibors will be hearing you scream and beg for mercy.That woman beating that child forgets he will grow to be a man who could easily crush the life out of her.Sometimes;just sometimes;justice is found.Sometimes people who get off at their childrens expense like that get a surprise. Is this a CONFEDERATE position? > I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then beat their bare > skin with a weapon such as a belt is an utter piece of trash.itell you this for > sure.I am a 39 year old 220 pound man.and if I EVER heard that going on;I would > take down the pants of the parent;man or woman doing it and whip them till they > begged like that child right in front of them. It makes me angry as well, but rather than engaging in violence why not work to eliminate these parenting practices? No child deserves to be hit in the name of discipline. There are so many better ways to parent. LaVonne > God help those of you who engage in that someone like me ever see it.I may or > may not get in trouble for kicking your door down and whipping you black and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > sometimes;justice is found.Sometimes people who get off at their childrens > expense like that get a surprise. > > I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then beat their bare > > skin with a weapon such as a belt is an utter piece of trash.itell you this for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > work to eliminate these parenting practices? No child deserves to be > hit in the name of discipline. There are so many better ways to parent. Then prove it, LaVonne! Show me a single "peer-reviewed" study in which your non-spanking alternatives are better under the same conditions. Doan > > > I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then beat their bare > > > skin with a weapon such as a belt is an utter piece of trash.itell you this for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Then prove it, LaVonne! Show me a single "peer-reviewed" study in which > your non-spanking alternatives are better under the same conditions. Not until you answer The Question, coward. > Doan Besides, who needs a peer reviewed study to decide not to bully their children. Show her a peer reviewed study that in which spanking is better under the same conditions. Show her what's what, big man. Kane > > > > I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then > beat their bare [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Not until you answer The Question, coward. I have already, STUPID! :-) > > Doan > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Kane Spanking is almost universal, across cultures, religions and races. Parents are not stupid! They know what's best for their kids. As for studies, LaVonne is smart enough to keep quiet on this one, unlike you, empty kane! :-) Doan > > > > > I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then > > beat their bare [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Spanking is almost universal, across cultures, religions and races. So that's what has brought such peace to our planet. > Parents are not stupid! Soemtimes they aren't, and sometimes they are. > They know what's best for their kids. Some times they do, and sometimes they don't. > As > for studies, LaVonne is smart enough to keep quiet on this one, unlike > you, empty kane! :-) What are you going to do, blind me with your brilliance, like the answers you came with 0:-> to The Question? Did you happen to miss "who needs a peer reviewed study to decide not to bully their children?" > Doan You got a peer reviewed study that shows spanking is more effective? Please enlighten us. You still sitting on that Embry study? R R R R R R .... The one the lady in Mexico couldn't get from you because you insisted she pay printing and postage? The lady in Mexico with the same name as a well known person, famous actually, on the USC campus? R R R R R....yer a card, Doan. A regular card. There's no confusion about whether or not you were spanked. It's obvious your parents aim was too high. Kane > > > > > > I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear > skin;then [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > So that's what has brought such peace to our planet. Where are the non-spanking cultures? They didn't make it, did they? :-) > > Parents are not stupid! > > Soemtimes they aren't, and sometimes they are. Most of the times, they aren't. > > They know what's best for their kids. > > Some times they do, and sometimes they don't. Most of the times, they do. > > As > > for studies, LaVonne is smart enough to keep quiet on this one, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What are you going to do, blind me with your brilliance, like the > answers you came with 0:-> to The Question? The same one you came up with where is the line between talking to your kids and verbal abuse? So tell me, when you hit your kid, do you know where the line is??? ;-) > Did you happen to miss "who needs a peer reviewed study to decide not > to bully their children?" Ha! Ha! Ha! Have you stopped beating your kid yet? > > Doan > > You got a peer reviewed study that shows spanking is more effective? > Please enlighten us. That's funny! The onus is on you. > You still sitting on that Embry study? R R R R R R .... The one the > lady in Mexico couldn't get from you because you insisted she pay > printing and postage? The lady in Mexico with the same name as a well > known person, famous actually, on the USC campus? R R R R R....yer a > card, Doan. A regular card. Ha! Ha! Ha! You lost her. Your "formidable research skill" is showing again. How your debate on the Embry study going? ;-) > There's no confusion about whether or not you were spanked. It's > obvious your parents aim was too high. And it's obvious that you are STUPID! Just ask Chris Dunga! :-) Doan "Besides, who needs a peer reviewed study to decide not to bully their children. Show her a peer reviewed study that in which spanking is better under the same conditions. Show her what's what, big man." Doan has peer reviewed studies that show potential risks from bully parenting. I have provided reference after reference over the years, and now he asks again. If one chooses bully parenting and truly views children as objects to be hit and hurt at a parent's whim, there is no research that can change this pattern. Doan is who Doan is. Pray for his children. LaVonne >>>>I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Kane LOL! Now she is calling on her dog to do the dirty works for her. Lavonne is who Lavonne is. A hypocrite with a Ph. D. who can't spell! ;-) Doan > "Besides, who needs a peer reviewed study to decide not to bully their > children. Show her a peer reviewed study that in which spanking is [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > > > Kane Since Lavonne (with a Ph.D.) can't answer my question. I am publicly asking Ms. Couture if she can give me an answer. Can she cite a study in which the non-cp alternatives are better than spanking when compared under the same statiscal conditions? In Straus & Mouradian (1998), they found that: 1) Talking to the child calmly 2) Sent the child to the room 3) Time-out 4) Removal of privileges All of these together "was found to have a much stronger relation than any of the other variables" (to ASB). Straus, Murray A. & Vera E. Mouradian. 1998 "Impulsive Corporal Punishment by Mothers and Antisocial Behavior and Impulsiveness of children." Behavioral Sciences and the Law. 16: 353-374. Doan > "Besides, who needs a peer reviewed study to decide not to bully their > children. Show her a peer reviewed study that in which spanking is [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > > > Kane Once again, those with long letters behind their names, are responding to my question with a deafening silence! Doan > Since Lavonne (with a Ph.D.) can't answer my question. I am publicly > asking Ms. Couture if she can give me an answer. Can she cite a [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > > > > > Kane >>>I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then beat their bare >>>skin with a weapon such as a belt is an utter piece of trash.itell you this for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Then prove it, LaVonne! Show me a single "peer-reviewed" study in which > your non-spanking alternatives are better under the same conditions. I have, doan. I have posted study after study. You have been on the ng long enough to know this. I will not post again simply for you. You can read the archives or you can read your responses to my posts. Either way, you will find the studies you ask for. LaVonne > Doan > >>>I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then beat their bare > >>>skin with a weapon such as a belt is an utter piece of trash.itell you this for [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > LaVonne No, you haven't and you can't! :-) The only study that came close to this is the Straus & Mouradian (1998) and they found that: 1) Talking to the child calmly 2) Sent the child to the room 3) Time-out 4) Removal of privileges All of these together "was found to have a much stronger relation than any of the other variables." REFERENCE: Straus, Murray A. & Vera E. Mouradian. 1998 "Impulsive Corporal Punishment by Mothers and Antisocial Behavior and Impulsiveness of children." Behavioral Sciences and the Law. 16: 353-374. Doan I love it! Using the work of their own propagandist Strauss against them. > I love it! > Using the work of their own propagandist Strauss against them. Oh, you mean inviting anyone to NOT debate on OTHER information and data? That kind of using their own propagandist against them? That kind of unethical debating? The Strauss study is locked in an unresolved outcome. He failed to study but two kinds of punitive parenting, one physical and one not. If you read it you'd know that. If I was allowed to set up physical vs verbal I could have made a verbal out come much more punishing, <smile> as you have learned to your dismay. No, Strauss wasn't wrong because of the reasons claimed here, but because he measured two things that are not much different in the experience of the child. Humiliation parenting is the same for a child no matter if it's CPs or verbal punishment. What Strauss did do is prove that both are equally poor ways of disciplining children. I've had other researches I've communicated with come up with the same nonsense. And I've seen yet other reseachers do the same thing. There is this deep abiding love for the concept of punishment being discipline. It's not. It's just punishment. It teaches some things, but not what we want unless we are sick abusive sadists. And far too many parents are, and don't even know it. All because it's the custom. Kane > > I love it! > > Using the work of their own propagandist Strauss against them. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > study but two kinds of punitive parenting, one physical and one not. > If you read it you'd know that. If you have read it, you wouldn't be making such a foolish statement! Since LaVonne (with a Ph.D.) is on your side, why don't you ask her if she agrees with your statement above? But please don't call her a "smelly-c.nt" if she disagreed! ;-) Doan It really IS hilarious that Kane et alia used to chant the name of their STRAUSS over and OVER again, but NOW, even Kane is back pedaling away from the La Brea tarpits of STRAUSS. It's right next to the rotting stench of Doktor Professor Sir Roy Meadows! And the PILTDOWN MAN scam! > It really IS hilarious that Kane I'm amused you are amused. > et alia At times I agree and at times I don't. Two of the principal posters here that are against the use of CP on children and I disagree on how this should be accomplished. I believe they are for legislation banning spanking. I have repeated posted here that I am against such legislation and holding out for morality and ethics to be the motivator for people to voluntarily give up this savage cruel cowardly practice of hitting children. > used to > chant the name of their STRAUSS over and > OVER again, I can't speak for others (what's an "et alia" by the way?)but for myself the only reference to Strauss, et al, is to point out the assumptions and claims around his list of non-cp alternatives included three out of the four to be punishments. Then you know what I said? I said that negated any result whatsoever. To me it would equate with which was more horrific to the child, being caned or being strapped. > but NOW, even Kane is back > pedaling away from the La Brea tarpits > of STRAUSS. Please show were I have ever used Strauss to defend non-CP. > It's right next to the rotting stench of > Doktor Professor Sir Roy Meadows! You are very funny. Why do you assume everyone that reads this ng knows what you are referring to? By the way, I notice a lot of pediatricians still look to him for his information on MBP and it's dynamics, to the point of inviting him to continue to lecture on the subject. Or does someone that is wrong on one point equate for you with him being wrong on all points? > And the PILTDOWN MAN scam! That was a deliberate attempt to mislead, rather like you folks do. Meadows may have been wrong but there was, if I am correct, and I believe I am, no intent whatsoever to maliciously or purposefully mislead anyone. I believe he believed himself to be right. In fact, logic suggests he was right. A good deal of the crap you post here can, on occasion, appear logical. When examined more closely it turns out to be nothing but crap. It may be that parts of Meadows theories may be crap. It also looks very much like another part is not. People do kill their own children by various means, and one of those means is slow dangerous risking of the child's life by interfering with normal health. Tell us again about teach a cat dog tricks. And while you are at it, why you mislead us for so long on your criminal background? How many convictions was it again? Kane If Meadows wasn't DIRTY, then why did he SHRED his groundbreaking historical research notes? And despite it being PEER REVIEWED, not a shred of it still exists? Yet it's in ALL the text books, worldwide! Even now, after he SHREDDED his research! That's why I compared it to Piltdown man! Discovered to be a hoax many years later! LaVonne will WINN DIXY! In regard to "peer review" : Why didn't that stop Professor Doktor Sir Roy Meadows from running his ground breaking research down the old SHREDDER? That's right! He had PEER REVIEW and still ended up doing the OLLIE NORTH with the records! Rather than being preserved as HISTORICAL, the research was SHREDDED! But it was indeed PEER REVIEWED! Is it possible the problem is WHICH PEERS review such stuff? If it was PEER REVIEWED, then how could every copy have conveniently been destroyed? Wasn't it PUBLISHED in a few journals? Fern, Did you see that some of this GOVERNMENT paid for research is now being exposed to the general public? It seems some professionals are now supporting the idea that it is UNETHICAL for research data paid for at taxpayer expense to be available ONLY in super expensive specialty journals! You can expect to see more and more such government paid for research made available ON THE INTERNET! We return you now to the CIVIL WAR redux, complete with a guy who believes the CONFEDERACY will rise again, but all spanking is evil. CONFEDRATE4VER1 on rash behavior: >I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then beat their >bare [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >they >begged like that child right in front of them. Of course, it's obvious that the tape is intentional hyperbole produced to create an *emotional overreaction* like the one you're displaying. Given your screen name, what if it was 1850 in the Old South and it was the plantation mistress whipping an 8-year-old "darky" household slave? Would it be okay then? >God help those of you who engage in that someone like me ever see it.I may or >may not get in trouble for kicking your door down and whipping you black and >blue in front of the child your beating.But God as my witness it would all be >after the fact. Maybe the woman has a 28-year-old, 6'6" 260-pound husband, did you ever think of that? Or maybe she doesn't, but she's a martial-arts expert who can collapse your windpipe with one kick. What about that? Many people keep powerful firearms to deter criminals from breaking into their homes, and I'm guessing that they'd fire first and ask questions (if you were only wounded) afterwards, should a stranger come bursting into their house. When you take the law into your own hands like a vigilante you may find out that there are people able to fight back, so "after the fact" might arrive quickly, at the speed of a .357 Magnum bullet, before you had a chance to even touch anyone. >I hear some of you here say it isint a big deal.Well then it should not be a >big deal when I do it to you either.Small wonder little boys grow up to be >men >that abuse their own children and beat on their wives.How could any child >beaten like that by his mother not grow to percieve women as monsters. What kind of a "deal" was it in the antebellum South, CONFEDRATE4VER1? Have you ever read UNCLE TOM'S CABIN, which is hyperbole as well but reflected much worse things actually done to people that the Confederacy fought to continue? >You let me walk past a house and hear that.Your neibors will be hearing you >scream and beg for mercy.That woman beating that child forgets he will grow >to >be a man who could easily crush the life out of her.Sometimes;just >sometimes;justice is found.Sometimes people who get off at their childrens >expense like that get a surprise. The vast majority of parents who spank (not "whip" or "beat") their children do it out of good intentions and not out of cruelty or sadism, and many children who were spanked by their parents eventually come to realize this. Child abuse is something different, of course, but I don't see the tape as portraying a typical spanking of a child in today's society. {Hamilton} Kane says I am a narcissist, but he plays these little games constantly. Is there another sound file out there other than the one Chris Dugan wants the world to hear. If this is the one your taking about there is no indication that the child was stripped of any clothing before getting those 10 swats with a belt. As far as coming into my home and butting your nose into something you know nothing about. You better believe you will get a bullet in you from me if you tried. I'm also a first degree brown belt so a gun may not even be needed. I think we all sometimes would like to let a true child abuser see how they make their child feel. However you will be the one being shot, stabbed or arrested for assault, trespassing and breaking a entry. Do you really think the police would believe your story that you were saving a child from being abused. Wouldn't you feel stupid if the child's pleads were over exaggerated. I think your just talking out of your a.s personally. >I listened.Anyone who needs to strip a child to bear skin;then beat their >bare [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > sometimes;justice is found.Sometimes people who get off at their childrens > expense like that get a surprise. |
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