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Family Forum / Parenting / Spanking / January 2005Abusive behavior--no answers here!
I am planning a family and recently had the spanking/anti-spanking debate with a co-worker. I thought I'd come to usenet and look for some answers or at least read the debates. Judging from the tone of the debate; both sides belittling each other with words like "moron" and "a.shole" used to describe adherents of the opposite point of view, my conclusion has to be that neither spanking or non-spanking seems to have worked for the parents of most posters to this group. Your parents have clearly failed to instill in most of you any manners or self-control, whether they tried to do so by spanking you or by talking to you. > I am planning a family and recently had the spanking/anti-spanking > debate with a co-worker. I thought I'd come to usenet and look for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > or self-control, whether they tried to do so by spanking you or by > talking to you. You are inverted and constipated. Turn over and take an enema. Why would you look here for answers? There are few here. However, on the web there are more than enough good sources. Try searching. If you want to spank you'll find support, and if you don't you'll find information and support. It's not a matter of manners. It's a matter of using your own head. Take your indignation or whatever phony nonsense you've got your head filled with and toodle on..or, get into the debate here. Your choice. Kane I'll go elsewhere thank you. Why would I look here for answers? Well, I thought maybe there would be some information in alt.parenting.spanking. Unfortunately, like most of usenet, this forum has become a soapbox for angry, boorish individuals like you. If it is simply a matter of using your own head, then there is no reason to post here at all, is there? You might think that displaying good manners is phony nonsense but this group is a perfect example of what happens when respect and manners are replaced with coarse language and rudeness. There is no debate and no exchange of useful information. You just have individuals with polarized views hurling insults at each other. And so I will toodle on as you have suggested. But I'll pass on the enema that you have recommended for me. One final note. Take your own enema after you've finished online and not before you start. That way your filth will go into the toilet where it belongs...not into your postings where it resides presently. > I'll go elsewhere thank you. You still here? Kind of pointless to debate if you are going to leave immediately, no? And pretty thoroughly destroys your credibility as someone wishing to debate, or leave. You are dancing and playing about with your ego draining out your nose. > Why would I look here for answers? Well, > I thought maybe there would be some information in > alt.parenting.spanking. Unfortunately, like most of usenet, this forum > has become a soapbox for angry, boorish individuals like you. Suppressing one's own boorishness and anger behind polite words is the mark of a hypocrite. > If it is simply a matter of using your own head, then there is no > reason to post here at all, is there? Depends on what's in your head. If you wish to discuss some methods of parenting using spanking, you are in the right place. If you wish to discuss some methods of parenting without using pain and punishment, you are in the right place. There are people, myself among them, that have knowledge to share that you might find useful. What you did not know, or apparently lurked long enough to find out, or failed to pull up some archived threads and read for content and comprehension, is tht this ng is infested with rabid compulsive spanking advocates. They will lie, twist, mislead, nearly anything posted in favor of ending the barbarous practice of hitting children and calling it "loving" discipline. One of the common of those kinds of thugs actually plagerized an anti spanking pro supportive parenting professional in mental health and education from her website, first making fun of it, and many months later posting about 90% of it with the pretense it was his own work and represented his views on "good" parenting practices, along with the choice of spanking. That is what we contend with here. Any wonder we are rude to these twits? > You might think that displaying good manners is phony nonsense but this > group is a perfect example of what happens when respect and manners are > replaced with coarse language and rudeness. No, it's a perfect example of what happens when you have mental cripples that have access to an outlet, and have to protect the very things that crippled them.....childhood CP and other parenting atrocities. > There is no debate and no > exchange of useful information. You just have individuals with > polarized views hurling insults at each other. Apparently you have taken a snapshot of recent posts to make your judgement. Is that an example of "debate" and an "exchange of useful information?" I spotted you for a phony the instant I finished reading your first post. You yourself are a spoiler. If you believed the criticisms you just offered, you would have, instead of criticising, openned with questions to elicite that information you claim you are seeking. Instead you STARTED YOUR FIRST POST WITH A HEADSHOT. Nothing more. Open with questions next time and see what happens. In the archives there are a multitude of posts by both sides that have the information you are asking for. We are simply tired of reposting it continuously to the ill mannered little brats that insist on urging brutalizing of children. > And so I will toodle on as you have suggested. But I'll pass on the > enema that you have recommended for me. Your choice, always. And without all the information you wanted from all those prior posts of ours. Tsk tsk tsk. > One final note. Take your own enema after you've finished online and > not before you start. That way your filth will go into the toilet > where it belongs...not into your postings where it resides presently. As a flamer you are on a par with your debating skills, and your informational research ability. If you want your hand held, ask questions. If you want information NOW, go to the archives of any ng you lurk in, and take a long read. Everything you are looking for is in our archives. If YOU don't bother to look that's YOUR ignorance at work, not our rudeness. In fact if you read the archives you wouldn't for a second make the accusations you did in the first paragraph of your first post. Kane > I am planning a family and recently had the spanking/anti-spanking > debate with a co-worker. I thought I'd come to usenet and look for > some answers or at least read the debates. Unfortunately, usenet is not the best place to find answers. This ng had better debates early on but many serious posters on both sides of the issue have dropped out due at least in part to the behavior of several persistent abusive posters who support the practice of spanking. > Judging from the tone of the debate; both sides belittling each other > with words like "moron" and "a.shole" used to describe adherents of the > opposite point of view, my conclusion has to be that neither spanking > or non-spanking seems to have worked for the parents of most posters to > this group. I am opposed to the practice of spanking. I am opposed to all forms of corporal punishment of children. However, I have never used the words "moron" or "a.shole" to describe adherents of the opposite point of view. I would welcome non-abuse dialogue regarding corporal punishment of children. There are so many ways to parent children that do not include hitting, hurting, shaming, or demeaning. Not only do these practices tend to yield better short and long term results, but also children deserve a childhood free of pain, shame, and fear. > Your parents have clearly failed to instill in most of you any manners > or self-control, whether they tried to do so by spanking you or by > talking to you. Please do not lump everyone together. You may have read only a small portion of the posts here, and for a limited amount of time. I have been a member of this ng for nearly ten years, and because this ng is not moderated, I have read a huge variety of posts over the years. LaVonne > > I am planning a family and recently had the spanking/anti-spanking > > debate with a co-worker. I thought I'd come to usenet and look for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > issue have dropped out due at least in part to the behavior of several > persistent abusive posters who support the practice of spanking. LOL! Kane supports the practice of spanking??? Doan ROFL Kane IS his own worst enemy! Well put Drew. It has degenerated in here over the years but that is a good reflection of the "Culture Wars" (see Pearce & Littlejohn, 1997; McGee, 1984; Millen, 1992 and a wealth of others who discuss the impasse in America on authentic dialogue and compromise).--Keep posting Drew (if you pissed off pseudo-kane you are welcome here)!- Non-spanker by choice, Chris C. TX > I am planning a family and recently had the spanking/anti-spanking > debate with a co-worker. I thought I'd come to usenet and look for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > or self-control, whether they tried to do so by spanking you or by > talking to you. |
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