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We don need no steenkin' CPS   or  Well, she won't do that again.

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Kane - 15 Jan 2005 21:01 GMT
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/20050115/ap_on_re_us/bleach_
death_1&printer=1

http://tinyurl.com/693sr

AP
Mom Charged With Killing Girl With Bleach

Sat Jan 15, 9:02 AM ET

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - A woman angry with her 12-year-old daughter for
having sex forced the girl to drink bleach and sat on her until the
child died, a police detective said.

The girl's 9-year-old brother was forced to watch the attack, Detective
Warren Cotton testified Thursday in a preliminary hearing for Tunisia
Archie, 31.

Archie is charged with capital murder in the asphyxiation death of her
daughter Jasmine. If convicted, she could be sentenced to death or life
in prison without parole.

Cotton said Archie, who has been jailed without bond since shortly
after her daughter's Nov. 26 death, told authorities she was disturbed
because "her daughter told her that she was no longer a virgin."

She said she poured bleach into Jasmine's mouth and the child vomited,
he said, then sat on her until she stopped breathing, Cotton testified.

Archie forced Jasmine's 9-year-old brother Jacorey to watch the attack
and "told him that if he shed a tear that she was going to kill him,
too," Cotton testified.
bobb - 16 Jan 2005 03:45 GMT
I didn't know what to make of this one. But, there have been so many mothers
killing  children recently I'm at a loss for words.  Really senseless
killings.

bobb
Greegor - 16 Jan 2005 21:28 GMT
It's a case for LAW ENFORCEMENT, not for
Social Services Child Protection agencies.

The Child Protection INDUSTRY hopes that
the PUBLIC RELATIONS value of such cases
will increase their budget, even though such
cases are NOT the ones CPS handles.

The CPS agencies are so disgraced that they
engage in this sort of demagogic tactic.

AHA issued a poster which is put up in many
Social Services offices which shows a child
with a band aid on her forehead.
It says "Current child abuse laws are about
this effective.".

I added some comments to the one up in
our office.

"Over 85% of all child removals are not
for abuse but, according to the agencies OWN
statistics, for neglect.  Neglect and "messy house"
are categories used when caseworkers have
nothing real to use.   AHA and the agency workers
imagine abuse EVERYWHERE and promote this
hysteria because it is in their SELF INTEREST
to do so.   Child Protection is more than a
41 BILLION dollar a year INDUSTRY."

It reminded me of the poster suggesting to women
that for economic reasons, the domestic violence
"option" could be used to their advantage.
Kane - 16 Jan 2005 22:28 GMT
> It's a case for LAW ENFORCEMENT, not for
> Social Services Child Protection agencies.

Yep, that's why the subject line. Notice?

> The Child Protection INDUSTRY hopes that
> the PUBLIC RELATIONS value of such cases
> will increase their budget, even though such
> cases are NOT the ones CPS handles.

Yep, they don't handle these. And you are prepared to defend your claim
that CPS welcomes the killing of children to increase their budget?

> The CPS agencies are so disgraced that they
> engage in this sort of demagogic tactic.

I don't recall andy CPS agency writing this story, or for that matter,
contributing to it in any way. Are they supposed to?

> AHA issued a poster which is put up in many
> Social Services offices which shows a child
> with a band aid on her forehead.
> It says "Current child abuse laws are about
> this effective.".

That's about right. The actually incidence of child abuse is estimated
to be nearly two thirds more than is reported and acted upon.

> I added some comments to the one up in
> our office.
>
> "Over 85% of all child removals are not
> for abuse but, according to the agencies OWN
> statistics, for neglect.

Neglect, as you know if you bother to read this ng, is more deadly than
abuse.

> Neglect and "messy house"
> are categories used when caseworkers have
> nothing real to use.

Nonsense. No one ever loses their child for a "messy house."

> AHA and the agency workers
> imagine abuse EVERYWHERE and promote this
> hysteria because it is in their SELF INTEREST
> to do so.   Child Protection is more than a
> 41 BILLION dollar a year INDUSTRY."

They are not imagining.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/21/60minutes/main585049.shtml
"
It is estimated that Americans now spend somewhere around $10 billion a
year on adult entertainment, which is as much as they spend attending
professional sporting events, buying music or going out to the movies.
"
http://www.ari.org/consumer/articles/2003/0703-ACTE.html
"
Multi-Billion Dollar Industry Needs 57,000 Additional Employees a Year
Megan Fitzgerald, ACTE
mfitzgerald@acteonline.org
(A news release from the Association of Career and Technicial
Education)

Alexandria, VA - Heating, ventilating, air conditioning,
refrigeration (HVACR) and plumbing jobs are expected to increase
significantly through 2010 according to the U.S. Department of Labor.
With each new home, mall, factory, office building and school, there is
an increased need for plumbers, HVACR installers and service
technicians.
"
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/102704Pringle/102704pringle.html
"
October 27, 2004-Last July 6, the Department of Health and Human
Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General (IG) released a report
stating that former Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS)
Administrator Thomas Scully pressured the agency's chief actuary,
Richard Foster, to withhold cost estimates of the Medicare Prescription
Drug bill when it was being considered by Congress last year.

Foster had claimed that Scully ordered him to withhold estimates that
showed the bill would cost between $500 billion and $600 billion, well
above the $395 billion estimate on which members of Congress were set
to base their vote.
"

Apparently we aren't spending enough on child welfare.

> It reminded me of the poster suggesting to women
> that for economic reasons, the domestic violence
> "option" could be used to their advantage.
What poster was that?

Kane
 
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