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kane_pohaku@yahoo.com - 09 Apr 2005 22:57 GMT
As the pro spanking compulsives say, when they claim there is no
credible anti spanking reseach, "We Don Need No Steenkin' Research"
then for our arguments for the use of corporal punishment. Dance, boys,
dance. R R RR 0;->

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~agrogan/

CURRENT RESEARCH

ANDREW GROGAN-KAYLOR

Grogan-Kaylor, A. (2004). The Effect Of Corporal Punishment On
Antisocial Behavior In Children. Social Work Research, 28(3), 153-164.

Abstract-English Abstrait-Français

Abstract-English

Objective: This study had three aims: to examine the effect of corporal
punishment on antisocial behavior of children using stronger
statistical controls than the previous literature in this area; to
examine whether the effect of corporal punishment on antisocial
behavior is nonlinear; and to investigate whether or not the effects of
corporal punishment on antisocial behavior differ across racial and
ethnic groups.

Method:  The study used a non-experimental design and data from the
National Longitudinal Survey of Youth. The analysis was conducted using
fixed effects methods to control for observed independent variables as
well as all unobserved time invariant variables. Dummy variables were
constructed for corporal punishment to allow for potential nonlinear
effects. Interaction terms of corporal punishment and racial or ethnic
group were constructed to test for the possibility of differing effects
of corporal punishment on antisocial behavior across racial and ethnic
groups.

Results: Corporal punishment has a nontrivial effect on children's
antisocial behavior in later years despite the strong controls
introduced by the fixed effects models. Both lower and higher levels of
corporal punishment appear to have this effect. The analysis provides
no evidence for differences in the effect of corporal punishment across
racial and ethnic groups.

Conclusions: This study provides further and methodologically rigorous
support for the growing literature that suggests that the use of
corporal punishment is associated with an increase in children's
antisocial behavior.

Abstrait-Français

Objectif : Cette étude avait trois objectifs : examiner l'effet de la
punition corporelle sur le comportement antisocial des enfants en
utilisant des contrôle statistiques plus fortes que la littérature
précédente dans ce secteur; examiner si l'effet de la punition
corporelle sur le comportement antisocial est non-linéaire ; et
étudier si les effets de la punition corporelle sur le comportement
antisocial diffèrent à travers les groupes raciaux et ethniques.

Méthode : L'étude a employé une conception non-expérimentales de et
information l'Evaluation Longitudinal National de la Jeunesse (National
Longitudinal Survey of Youth). L'analyse a été conduite en utilisant
des méthodes fixées d'effets pour maîtriser pour des variables
indépendantes observées aussi bien que toutes les variables
invariables de temps inobservées.  Des variables factices ont été
construites pour la punition corporelle pour permetre des effets
non-linéaires potentiels. Des limites d'interaction de la punition
corporelle et du groupe racial ou ethnique ont été construites pour
déterminer la possibilité d'effets différents de punition corporelle
sur le comportement antisocial à travers les groupes raciaux et
ethniques.

Résultats : La punition corporelle a un effet non trivial sur le
comportement antisocial des enfants en années postérieures malgré
des commandes fortes présentées par les modèles fixes d'effets. Des
niveaux plus bas et plus élevés de punition corporelle semblent avoir
cet effet. L'analyse ne fournit aucune évidence pour des différences
dans l'effet de la punition corporelle à travers les groupes raciaux
ou ethniques.

Conclusions : Cette étude fournit appui supplementaire et
méthodologiquement rigoureux au corps de la littérature croissant qui
suggère que l'utilisation de la punition corporelle soit associée à
une augmentation de comportement antisocial des enfants.
kane_pohaku@yahoo.com - 09 Apr 2005 23:12 GMT
Apparently there is some difficulty with a boundary, or line that is
crossed between discipline and abuse.

Why does no one ever ask, 0;-> The Question in the back of the minds of
decent people...Where IS that line?

http://alexiskennedy0.tripod.com/lab/id5.html

.......
The use of spanking is the most important risk factor for physical
abuse (Straus, 2001).  Increased experience of corporal punishment as a
child is correlated with an increased likelihood that corporal
discipline will escalate into physical abuse (Straus, 2000).  Murray
Straus, the developer of the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS) and a leading
researcher on child maltreatment, has criticized the fact that
researchers hoping to discover ways to end physical abuse routinely
ignore this risk factor.  With over 94% of parents engaging in this
behaviour and reports that spanking is used multiple times per week,
Straus argues that child maltreatment specialists are underestimating
the prevalence and chronicity of corporal punishment.  Even if the risk
factor for corporal punishment is moderate, the prevalence of this risk
factor (94%) means it can have a greater impact on public health than a
high risk factor with low prevalence (Straus, 2001).  The idea that
corporal punishment is at the core of physical abuse is supported by
Asian research that reveals that child abuse injuries are often the
result of culturally acceptable discipline practices applied with
excessive force (Samuda, 1988).   Samudas (1988) survey of 100
university students in Hong Kong indicated that 95% of respondents
reported that physical punishment was used in their homes, 46% reported
that beating was used as the most severe form of punishment, and 35%
remembered physical punishment as their most painful childhood physical
experience.   Research with the CTS in India has revealed widespread
use of physical discipline with 41.9% of middle-class professional
disclosing that they had used abusive levels of physical punishment
(Segal, 1995).

.......more at the link above..........
Doan - 10 Apr 2005 20:09 GMT
And what did they find for non-cp alternatives?  My guess is they ignored
them or suprised to find that the non-cp alternatives show the same
correlation.

1) Talking to the child calmly
2) Sent the child to the room
3) Time-out
4) Removal of privileges

All of these together "was found to have a much stronger relation than any of
the other variables."

Straus, Murray A. & Vera E. Mouradian. 1998 "Impulsive Corporal Punishment by
Mothers and Antisocial Behavior and Impulsiveness of children." Behavioral
Sciences and the Law. 16: 353-374.

Doan

> As the pro spanking compulsives say, when they claim there is no
> credible anti spanking reseach, "We Don Need No Steenkin' Research"
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> suggère que l'utilisation de la punition corporelle soit associée à
> une augmentation de comportement antisocial des enfants.
Mario Rodriguez - 11 Apr 2005 16:18 GMT
Ok, smart guy (I'm being ironic, Doan, don't get too sweet on me because you
think someone actually believes you intelligent). You wanted research. You
overused that "deafening silence" thing (which is a vacuous and overly
theatrical expression, the kind someone uses while trying to appear more
intelligent than one really is). Now, there, you have research.
Now, can you make something different than you've done up to now and provide
us with some serious research (and I mean serious, not the kind "the bible
says" or "thousands of us do it, so it can't be wrong") which favors
spanling as a more effective method?. I've never seen you or any of your
jolly friends do so. Fair is fair, huh?.

But I know you won't. You're just the kind of guy which can't pull his head
out of the toilet flush long enough to look around him, even less to listen
to others.

So long...
>And what did they find for non-cp alternatives?  My guess is they ignored
>them or suprised to find that the non-cp alternatives show the same
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>All of these together "was found to have a much stronger relation than any of
>the other variables."
Doan - 11 Apr 2005 17:03 GMT
> Ok, smart guy (I'm being ironic, Doan, don't get too sweet on me because you
> think someone actually believes you intelligent). You wanted research. You
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> So long...

http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/Larzelere/Larzelere.html

"In contrast to the common practice of pitting love and limits against
each other, several research programs have shown that optimal parenting
combines the two. This paper outlines a conditional sequence model of
optimal disciplinary responses and shows its consistency with a wide range
of research. The model suggests that optimal disciplinary responses begin
with less severe tactics, such as reasoning, but proceed to firmer
disciplinary tactics when the initial tactic achieves neither compliance
nor an acceptable compromise. The firmer tactics can be nonphysical
punishment initially with nonabusive physical punishment reserved as a
back-up for the nonphysical punishment. This is consistent with many
studies showing that a combination of reasoning and punishment is more
effective than either one alone and with new evidence that this sequence
enhances the effectiveness of milder disciplinary tactics with
preschoolers."

Now that I have answered your question, can you answer mine? Can you
show me a study in which your non-cp alternatives are better than spanking
under the same conditions?

Doan
 
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