Family Forum / Parenting / Spanking / October 2005

HOWEDY Chupy,

Just did... Was VERY disturbed.

WHOAH!!! If THAT'S the BEST, we're all in BIG TROUBLE.

INDEED? First post I opened was a mom asking for
PRAYER. I figgerd someWON was SICK. Nope. Only
SICKNESS was mom an dad fighting and dad leavin
with the baby and mom callin the cops and supporters
tellin her HOWE to get more support from the cops
to arrest DH for takin her kid away.

Next post I opened was child sexual abuse questions.
Two year old child with stay at home mom and dad being
the only contact the child has is being warned about
sexual abuse. W.T.F.???

Next was the result of mom lettin dad watch the kid
layin on the bed. Five mintues later daddy FORGOT to
watch the child and IT fell off and got hurt an cried.

Next post I read was askin abHOWET lettin the kid
"CRY IT HOWET"!!!

Next post was askin what kinda hobbies keep dad from
participating in parenting... and should dads be postin
to mother's forum. You got the jist of what came from
THOSE discussions, more of the same self pitying crap
like this:

"sore nipples!!

oh man my nipples are sooo sore lately and I don't know if it's because
Ewan's latch is changing with is new teeth (he finally got 5 and 6 and
I find his latch changes with every new tooth) or if it's pregancy
related or both. All I know is i'm starting to worry that there is no
way i'm going to be able to handle tandem nursing.
__________________

                     That's INSANE.

Here's the ONLY parenting advice that was worthwhile:

"Children can be conceptualized as mirrors. If love is given to them,
they return it. If none is given, they have none to return.
Unconditional love is reflected unconditionally, and conditional love
is returned conditionally,"- Ross Campbell, M.D.

FORGET ABHOWET IT unless you wanna learn about
washin diapers with white vinegar there's NOTHIN
of vaule there.

Yeah... that's HOWE COME we're in BIG TRHOWEBLE.

INDEED? I'll cite you some case hitories from CC.

HOWE ABHOWET FACTS AND USEFUL EFFECTIVE PARENTING INFORMATION?

Perhaps the parents should be comin over to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's Forums at rec.pets.dogs.behavior to learn
HOWE to pupperly handle and raise their children:

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 http://www.irishdogs.ie/Information/Wits_End_Dog_Training.pdf

FUN? Kidnapped kids, paranoid sexual abuse junkies,
successful anti eviction strategies???

"why r people..SO STUPID GRRR

I just dont understand I belong to this other group
and they are young and dont know much about parenting.

okay well one breastfeeding mother is going to start
giving cereal but in a bottle.. wtf??!! So i let her
know by doing that #1 its going to lower her supply
by supplementing with bottle instead of breast and #2
it can be a choking hazard.

so now all 25 other peole from the group are oh i gave
my son from the day he was born cereal in his bottle
and hes fine blah blah.. geez loweeze people she is breatsfeeding not
bottlefeeding wtf??!!

theres a big difference.

so lets ask a whole bunch of girls who r giving formula
about starting solids with a breastfed baby. oh but she
spits up .. all babies spit up she doesnt have reflux so wtf??!!

leave her be a happy spitter upper.

then i try to educate them n i get bashed like wtf??

emma is formula fed n i started solid at 4 months but she
asked for advice n i gave it now im a bad person grrrr

immature. i swear these girls think they know it all.
               __________________

"my grandchildren will never ever.. ever.. feel shame or
 feel like they're not loved :)." Amanda.

  > From: Amanda [mailto:ama...@dcfwatch.com]
  > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:14 PM
  > Subject: Re: Discipline

  > On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T__ wrote:

  > funny you bring this up...  i met the most wonderful
  > couple.. man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his
  > life who uses a technique that is ONLY praise and
  > distraction with some family pack exercises.

  > They spent the day with us sunday helping me on
  > my two pits... one is a protective/aggressive 20 month
  > old female who is my bubby  > :) and our 7 week male
  > pup.  anyway.. not only did i nip any and all aggression
  > issues in mere minutes...he and his wife helped me with
  > my kids.

  > I was and always have been a spanker.  It is all i knew
  > how.. i never, ever wanted to be.. but i was.  my house/kids
  > were out of control.. i was always stressed.

  >  Since he and his wife came down sunday we've had a
  > HUGE change... for the first time the kids didn't destroy
  > my house before i woke up... my 3yo was in my bed
  > coloring waiting for us to wake up...  this is the first time
  >  she ever used paper :) she usually does walls, furniture.

  > Anyway..  he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works.
  > I have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very
  > bad-a$$ 19 month old.

  > They are all smarter than I am and know it :)  There has
  > not been a temper tantrum in two days in my house.

  > You guys have no idea how great this is.  But best of
  > all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye or a tone
  > of that is in any way short of absolute praise.. no shouting..
  > not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada.. ONLY praise.

  > They even taught my kids not to take candy unless i say
  > so..  (my oldest will literally let you pierce her ears for
candy..
  > it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and now the
  > bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my closet (where we
  > keep the girl's dresses) is still there and NO ONE has eaten
  > one!

  > My 3 yo is even helping me pick up the house.. the baby
  > took my lingerie chest apart.. and she cleaned it up!  first
  > time!

  > They don't even go out the open door without my offering it!
  > they helped me sort laundry.. clean the living room... im
  > amazed.

  > The 3 yo got some yogurt from the fridge andwalked to our
  > kitchen table, sat down and ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at
  > the table and eat!  We also taught them and the dogs to sit
  > pretty so when they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you
  > show me how you sit pretty??

  > and they ALL hop down and show me to sit pretty with their
  > feet NOT on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost
  > fell over..

  > thanks for reminding me to share my joy!  I'm not a
  > spanker! I don't even yell! lol!  here i picked names
  > that shout well and i don't need em!!!

  > > how old is your bub amanda?  waht's the bub doing?/

  > > Hello again ladies,
  > > Amanda, I love your signature. I also do not spank my
  > > daughter, however, she is at an age where she really is
  > > asserting her independence.

  > > Can anyone help with ideas of what I can do? Blessings,
  > > T.

Subject: Re Discipline.  Also, SLEEP!
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500
From: Amanda <ama...@dcfwatch.com>

  >  Can you go into this a little more?  How did they
  >  accomplish all this in  one day?

My learning is progressive.  I email or call him with
questions. But, i'm getting most of it myself.  Something
clicked.

How would we do it with our families?

that is kind of broad..  ask me specifics... or i'd still be
typing when your kids are in college ;)

  > I really have problems controlling my temper when I am
  > already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me:

Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had
problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old
wouldn't clean her room...

i would sometimes cry is was so strung out.. i didn't wanna
spank but i didn't know what to do instead.. so i spanked..
and then spanking didn't work.. and then my dogs went nuts
and i called this trainer and he showed me how to do it.

pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc.

Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me..
hurting me and then laughing.

Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it
all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned...  as it is i've
only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two
days (my neighbors two streets over are happy :)

  Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it
illicits your ultimate attention.  Does your 3 year old enjoy
fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the minute
you pick up the phone?? No.

  They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's
  what they want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it
  is controlling you.

Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure
they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are
watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be.

they should stay within x feet of you.. because they like
mom and she's cool and she keeps em safe... they
shouldn't run and expect you to chase them.. because
you won't always be there to chase them... that's how
kids die or get lost.

When they learn to follow you.. it's all good.

Now, take my 19 mo old.  She had this habit of sipping 4 oz
from her bottle and demanding more.  if i didn't refill it.. she
threw a hgue fit.  Now she hands me her bottle and says more.. and
i tickle her...

then i pick up her bottle and pretend im drinking it.. i offer
her a drink and snatch it back saying MY Baba!!  She wants
that bottle.. so she takes it and drinks it.. even tho i didn't
refill it.  we had a huge problem with them taking things they
cant have and when i wanted it they ran...  now i give the baby
(19mo) my finger.. and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout
My finger!  that's mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she
resists.. and i go "Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives
it to me and i gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're
welcome.. and i give her the finger back... then i hand her
say a lighter... and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i
have that??? and she gives it over etc.  Of course sometimes
she'll have a cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell
say No. and i say that's ok!  and tickle her or snap my fingers
and say good girl naya.. good job..

then ill start my game again and wrestle and try to take it
gently... then.. can i have that??? she gives it over.

this works with everything now.

  > Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like
  > that.

Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced
control. you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract
and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids.

Put some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to
touch it.. make a sound and distract him.. then good
boy, that's a nice baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes
for the paper and breaks the thgougth you throw him in the
air and praise like mad!

  > How would I apply this in those situations?  Also, what do
  > you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough to
  > distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal objects
  > into electrical outlets, trying to get into the oven, etc.?

Use your judgement.. if you have the distance/time to
distract... do it.. if you don't... pick them up and away..
but act like it's to throw em in the air.. so they don't know
youre forcing control by phsycially removing them... c

uz when you force control.. with the come command
when you want your dog away from something... or
when you pull a dirty shoe from your baby's mouth..
you put value on it.

Like when your kid puts a penny in its mouth.. youll try to
pry its mouth open to get it... and he'll clamp right down..
you gave that penny VALUE!  it's not just a piece of crap..
mom WANTS IT!

so.. instead you make a game.. say you want em to smit it
out... walk somewhere else... attract their attention.. be
kinda sneaky... odds are the thing in their mought will get
annoying and they'll spit it out when they walk toward you...
if all else fails.. pry it outta their smiling jaws... snatch em
up away from falling down...  but only when you have
to.. then work realy hard to overcome that forced control.

Also don't make a big deal about it.. or else theyll learn not
only to command your attention, but also mom will always
catch me so she is watching me.. not me watching her.

  > I never realized how spirited C__ was until I started
  >  tending other kids.

those are my kids.  I have had social workers with their
degrees in child development stop offering me services
cuz they couldn't handle my kids... my friends call mine
the obstinate kids.

  > They're docile kittens compared to C__!  This brings
  > up another question - what do you do when YOUR
  > child is the bully?

if you catch it before it happens.. loud sound.. big
distraction and PRAISE. if you catch it afterward...
distract and say oh my goodness! and pay attention
to the other kid...  he wont get the attention... then
explain how that hurts.  odds are your kid won't hurt
another kid if he truly understands its not nice.

  > C__ is always beating the other boy over the head
  > when he comes over. We don't hit in anger in our family

i have.. everyone does in my family... i did it a few times
over 4 years... but that is because i didn't know how not to.
i know now.. and i wanna tell everyone i can.. so someone
else doesn't spank their kids due to a lack of knowledge.

  > (we do it playfully sometimes, so we are curtailing that
  > in case it is giving him ideas)

my kids, 6yo, 3yo and 19 month old, favorite game is
chasing around the house (all 4 of us) with wooden
spools yelling at the top of our lungs "I'm gonna beat
your a$$.. HA HA HA... no IM gonna beat YOUR
a$$ MU HA HA HA"  my neighbors prolly think im nuts..
but the kids love it dog even plays too

  > but I admit that after I have been trying to get him to go
  > to sleep for 45 minutes, I  get a little rough sometimes.
  >  It's really frustrating.  He'll be dead tired - eyes bright
  > red, fussy, eyes almost closing every 5 seconds.

It gets worse... they all do it around that time.. they don't
want to sleep.. andyou know what?  they don't grow out
of it until they're parents :)  it's one of those times you
have to use your patience and keep distracting and praising.

  > So I'll take him into the bedroom, and lay down to nurse
  > him.  He'll nurse for about 5 seconds and then jump up
  > and run to the window and start bending the blinds.

he wants you upset.. he wants your undivided attention.  you
have to refuse it.. no evil eye.. no "conner" quiet or not.. no
anger.. complete nonchalance.. they have to have a total complete
entire lack fo negative attention.. and all they'll
be able to do is sit back and enjoy the positive!

One shout.. one name call.. one No! and it takes awhile to
work up to the positive only.

  >  So I gently pick him up and lay him back down.

try not to.. but if you have to ok

   > And we repeat the process over 10000 times.

when he goes to sit up.. when yous see the thought on his
face.. distract with sound and follow with praise or a song or
giggle.

   > Then I get frustrated and lay him down less gently.

better than my method of plop em in the crib and let em cry.
No anger.. stay calm.. meditate, pray.. breath..  try to
remember they will not always be this small.. and youll
never, ever for anything get it back. it's what im using

   > That makes him cry, which is the last straw that
   > FINALLY gets him to nurse to sleep.

He got you riled up.. what he wanted.. time to sleep.

  > Writing it out, I thought of something.  He must have a
  > lot of excess tension he needs to release before sleeping,
  > and finally crying releases it for him.

  no way... crying isn't a release.. sometimes.. maybe for
  some people.. crying is frustration, pain, hunger, sadness...
  sometimes joy.. sometimes tension.. but not because of his
  life..  because he's insecure... their dealing with negative and
  positive.. and thats what makes em insecure.

  > Any good ways to do this that don't involve crying?

distraction and praise.. if all else fails get up and dance..
fast for day.. slow rocking at night.

  > Turning on soft music and swaying in the sling used to
  > work  for us, but now he either grabs at everything he can
  > reach or bends over backwards until he's hanging upside
  > down.

cuzhe knows what you're doing.  hold him instead.. or
sit him in your lap on the bed and rock

 >  Putting the sling over his shoulders to prevent that
 >  doesn't work  either.  He acts like he is being tortured
 > and screams and fights to get out.

becuase it is forced control.

 > Katie

Amanda
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From: Ama...@DCFWatch.com (Ama...@dcfwatch.com)

Subject: Re: we're so frigging happy and calm.. thank you
thank you thank you thank you thank you!

Re: [Jerry] Re: Please, discontinue discussions
with our dog abusers...NINNYBOY
Date: 2003-01-13 06:20:45 PST

Yup.. we did.  She did get on it once in the middle of the
night.. but i woke up.. and did the d/p while walking out
of the room and outstanding praise when she complied.
She's got it :)

That's tricky.. but we'll set it up today :)

She went to her spot.. under the kids bed.. and i did the
come/praise and she came right out and we did some
lovin...  i think she's just all sorts of confused.. this is
brand new.. although familiar with d/p.. she's not used
to me GETTIN it PERFECT

We'll set that up today too.  But i think she got it
yesterday.. lol.

I think i do.. do you think i do?

I was so nervous i wouldn't know. Not anymore :)

So let them approach eachother?  i'm worried about a bite
getting in before i see the build up.. and im worried about
d/ping when there isn't going to be a bite.. make sense?

That's the baby.

Lol... they're one and the same! lol

It was the 19 month old.. so we'll work on them with that
today.

Not in my house!

CHloe is the 3yo.. jasmine is the 6yo

Was a first in this house!

Dinner usually consists of me running around making sure
dinner is not on the walls and the baby  isn't dive bombing
from her high chair!

Nope.. we're calm and happy :)

I think i'm getting there.. i felt by the last hour when i was
d/ping while you spoke i was getting it.  like slow motion..
i could see everyone going for something and i was just
getting it all out in perfect timing... with the kids too.. by
the end of the night we had moo sleeping with kelly on
the floor.. first time ever.. we praised him out of howling..
and we actually slept great!

i think we'll have it awhile.. certain things i wanna break..
running out the door.. front door... etc

Yup.. we set kelly up for the pizza delivery man last night.
she barked and we did sound/distraction... she left the front
door altogether when chris called her.. first time for that
too.

Sounds good to me!

Lol.. well i don't think i can say it enough either.

You want me to give out the link to all of the pics??

Yup...  it will be a month or two for the card.. between busy
and shopping for the right card at the right price... but we
can have the tape done i think easy.

lol... watch out... we might build a statue in the park!

She's so cool about it though :)

Yup :)

I always did.. i just needed to check my vision :)

Amanda.

                 Punishment Deranges Behavior.
         "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
                         EXCEPT
                   To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

     And how do we know this aspect of his
     advice is right?

     Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
     His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

     (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
     few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
     ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

     --Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

    "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
    Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
    God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
    Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

 From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
 To: "The Puppy Wizard"
 <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
 Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

 Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
 Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

 I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
 and now must applaud your attempts to save
 animals from painful training procedures.

 You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
 who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
 alert the world to animal abuse.

 We are lucky to have you, and more people should
 come to their senses and support your valuable
 work.

 Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
 charity to fund your important work?
 Have you thought about holding a press conference
 so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
 and significant work?

 In closing, my only suggestion is that you
 try to keep your messages short for most
 readers may refuse to read a long message
 even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
 I wish you well in your endeavors.

 --Marshall Dermer

Subject: < BEFORE ->  "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
                      No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER ->  "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
            A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
            Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
            Dog Lovers.

           'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
           A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

 Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante  dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey  (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you
insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes:
           "No Loving, No Learning."

HOWEDY People,

Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

This is not negative reinforcement.  Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? --  too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD.  Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog?  So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

Larry is a scientist who studied various training
methods and spoke personally with as many of the
best trainers and behaviorists he could find,
including the wonderful but little known Dr. Dare
Miller:

      From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
   The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The
Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
professional trainer, 30 years experience.

Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST

"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...

Yves,

I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time.  I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).

Yes, it really works.  :-)  So do the other
distraction/praise techniques described therein.

If you are interested in the manual, you will
probably want to begin the exercises as well.

Regards,
Lisa

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull.  She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing.  I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty.  So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people.  she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue..  and doesn't look for a treat.

 "Anthony Testa" <testa52...@aol.com> wrote in message
 news:c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.com...

 I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with
 my lovely wife

 snip horror story >

 Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of
 pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to
 Jerry..."Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I'll save this person
 embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are
 and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you
 sir, do not belong working with animals!

 Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can't
 for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind
 or ignorant.

 You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are
 a life saver!!!

 Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product,
 you have my number. We would gladly talk to them.

 Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...

 Anthony & Linda Testa
 Jacksonville, Florida

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From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

        "Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
        news:

        I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
        dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
        I do not know what started the problem but he came
        aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
        snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
        and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
        ad I took him with me everywhere.

        At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
        Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
        clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
        it was not working on his aggression problem.

        I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
        trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
        They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
        and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
        suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
        working as he was becoming more aggressive.

        I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
        away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
        on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
        use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

        I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
        ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
        LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
        University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
        had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
        gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
        have the people stop until he could get in control using
        treats, and work on clicker training.

        At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
        the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
        would not come when I called him and would run away when
        I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
        neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
        hasn't trained her dog"

        I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
        were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
        were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
        said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
        say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
        responsible for him."

        *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
        DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

        As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
        going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
        Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
        Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
        He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
        not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

        The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
        I had been working for 18 months!

        Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
        from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
        I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
        blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
        can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

        I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
        -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
        looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
        on by.

        When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
        me like "you must be out of your mind"

        The results can make a believer!!!

        Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
        Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
        in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

        He just seemed to not notice any one.

        When people talked to him or ask his name he would
        look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

        I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
        enjoy life out in public.

        If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
        was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
        Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
        toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

        My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
        dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
        out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

        I know most people would have given up on him a long time
        ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
        but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

        I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

        ================================

        From: Linda Daniel
        To: Jerry Howe
        Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
        Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

        Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
        to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
        save so many lives.  I know at times I was so frustrated I
        thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
        have but many people would have.  The world just does not
        know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
        solve problems.

        We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
        -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
        you could meet us would be great.  I drive so I would be
        happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

        We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
        right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
        scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
        would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
        to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

        He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
        those on rollerblades!  I have always used a gentle leader
        in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
        grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

        Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
        stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose.  He never
        pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
        a hard time getting him going--at times  I think he could
        smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

        I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

        I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
        walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
        a problem with other people and dogs.

        I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
        to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
        around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
        treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
        coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
        and not move until we backed away-

        - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
        until I get his attention with treats.

        They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
        but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
        him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
        sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
        to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
        heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

        ----------------------------------

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.  You've been a
blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

===================

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound.  We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be  left home  alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better.  We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the
acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from
one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them.  Yes, there's alot
of blame that we have to accept, but once we
realize that we've caused these problems to
arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:29:04 GMT
Subject: Re: House training and such...

HOWEDY culprit,

"culprit" <culp...@flashmail.com> wrote in message

news:bm30da$hmbrc$1@ID-58739.news.uni-berlin.de...

HOWEDY kelly,

"culprit" <culpri...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:bl22ho$76rdi$1@ID-58739.news.uni-berlin.de...

INDEEDY.

The Puppy Wizard doesn't approve of violence.

NOT AT ALL, kelly.

INDEEDY.

GUARANTEED.

DONE THAT.

GUARANTEED.

DONE THAT.

INDEEDY. You're missing HUMAN DECENCY,
MORALS, ETHICS, PRINCIPLES, and ALL REASON.

And that ain't all The Puppy Wizard SPECIALIZES in, kelly.

NO PROBLEMO! You're inscribed in the book
of eternal death. You're a liar and a dog abuser
and a MENTAL CASE.

lyingdogDUMMY wrote:

Your reply doesn't even pertain to the subject...

Why don't we discuss why you feel you need hurt
animals to "train" them?

I've actually met TPW.  I called him a few times with
questions about the training method, and he realized
that there were some underlying problems. Axel (my dog)
had a special situation.  So, TPW met with us in our home.
The first thing he noticed was that Axel's collar was too tight.
We loosened it, and immediately Axel calmed down quite a bit.

We went outside and worked on the HOT AND COLD
HANDLING EXERCISE and THE FAMILY PACK
LEADERSHIP EXERCIZE.  That seemed to get us
headed in the right direction, but we were still having
a few problems with Axel's anxiety.

The main reason TPW visited our home - I found this
our recently during one of our conversations- was to
see how my husband and I interacted with one another.

I had been following the methods precisely, but Axel
was still having difficulty.

TPW's assumptions were correct - we were causing
alot of Axel's anxiety with our arguments and tension.
TPW told me that Axel has been one of his most difficult
dogs to work with.

Axel had his anxieties from mishandling and
from my husband and myself.

We had a few problems because I was unwilling to
accept the fact that I needed to be "nice" eventhough
I wasn't being treated "nicely", but once I realized that
was the only way I could really get Axel past his anxiety,
I worked on being a loving wife (eventhough I didn't really
want to be).

AND GUESS WHAT?  My husband saw the difference,
and he followed suit. Now, we have a stress free dog,
and a good marriage.

Can you tell me how forcing someone (dog, person, cat)
to do what YOU want them to do, is going to improve a
situation?  I tried that with my husband and with my dog,
and it didn't work with either of them.

Your methods have an 85% success rate - and my
dog was one of the 15% that doesn't accept your methods.

TPW has 100% success rate.  You do the math.

If TPW hadn't helped us, Axel wouldn't be where he is today.

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Subject: Ask The Puppy Wizard

HOWEDY Aimee,

Well, for ME it IS... it's a dream come true. I got to ask
the Mrs. to keep pinchin me to believe it myself. My
DDR works like an AUTOMAGICK bio feeback trainer.
It uses a gentle sound, a beat, to entrain the brain,
like as if you was humming your favorite song. When
the critter is faced with a stressor, he AUTOMAGICKALLY
reflexes to that comfortable state of mind, to "hide"
from his fears. With repetition, the fears are "collapsed"
or over ridden, by the pleasant "tune."

There's a child psychologist currently testin DDR on
his hyperactive and learning disabled patients.

Absolutely not. I've tested it on HUNDREDS of dogs
and kats whom I've known well and closely observed
over many years before offering my DDR for sale. It's
giving me better reports from users than I'd ever
imagined possible. It even stops cows from "bellowing."

O.K., that's the problem! The crate in itself causes fear in
a twofold manner. Many dogs fear the crate because they
can't go to relieve themselves or have water, or become
anxious because it's a safe haven, a refuge he can run to
in order to hide from THINGS that scare him, like loud
noises, guests, whatever. Every minute he spends hiding
in there, increases his fears about what's goin on.

With repetition, just entering the crate even willingly,
restimulates ALL his fears, even when he goes in of
his on volition for no particular reason.

Well, you just got LUCKY. I've got a comprehensive manual
available for free on my website. STUDY IT. Do the exercises,
and ask me for help if you've got questions or have difficulty.
Follow the method EXACTLY, don't vary, and ask me for help
FAST, if you don't get 100% success, nearly instantly.

There's absolutely NO reason your dog should have to
suffer separation anxiety for more than two days.

First thing you've got to do is teach him your HOWES is his
HOWES, and that no matter what, you'll never be cross with
him.

That'll give him the confidence to stay alone withHOWET
supervision. Separation anxiety has nothing to do with
your absences, it's got to do with not having his controller
in charge of his behavior.

You just did. My tiny manual has ALL the information you need
to bring your dog to any level of proficiency in any field you
desire.

Good. Take a couple of days to study and practice the techniques
withHOWET your pup, then go pick him up and DO the exercises
in a couple of locations on your way back to your HOWES.

The method and the machine both rely on constant praise.
The machine does a much more thorough job of convincing
the dog everything is O.K. It'll usually calm any anxious
outbursts in maybe as little as five seconds, for a dog that's
been conditioned to it for a few days. After a few months of
use, you'll not need to use it except on occasion.

I'd give you more info about the machine, but you got
enough reading ahead of you in my manual. Just rest
assured that if you desire the very best for you dog my
DDR machine will do just that. It's money back satisfaction
guaranteed forever cause there ain't nuthin better than it
in the Whole Wild World. You and your pets will LOVE it!

But start the manual first, cause that's gonna break the
cause of his anxiety.

Yours, Jerry.

        "Katra" <K...@centurytel.net wrote in message
        news:
3EEEAC89.3D837...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...@centurytel.net...

        Ok, so I care for an unusually large number of cats...
        And when you have this many, there are behavior
        problems. Not due to crowding, but some cats are
        territorial by nature.

        I checked out Jerry's site and found the science behind
        the BIOSOUND box to be sound. (no pun intended <G)
        I am familiar with the concept of using sound therapy
        from my studies on deep meditation and had experimented
        with it already.

        So, I bought one.

       Results?

   The cats now sleep thru the night instead
   of spatting at 3 a.m.

        Taz, my brain damaged kitty, no longer wanders up the
        hall in the middle of the night, yowling when he gets "lost".
        (He's not the brightest bannana in the bunch. ;-) )

        He's been sleeping quietly at my feet now for the past 3
        nights I left the box running. He suffered a severe head
        injury as a kitten when he got hit by a car. That is how I
        got him. I picked him up out of the middle of the highway. :-(

        Thank the gods for good vets...

        Feeding frenzy time, when I dole out the canned food,
        used to be fraught  with the more dominant kitties hissing
        at the undercats to get the best place at mom's feet. They
        always settled down once the food dishes were down, but
        now there has been  NO fighting!

They have been more obedient about staying off the
sink and the dining room table, and, whomever it was
that kept pooping in FRONT of the litter box on the floor
has quit!

Yay! I never did catch who was doing it.

Overall, much calmer behavior from the cats.

As for the dogs, the jury is still out on them. The
shelties seem unaffected but it's impossible to
tell with them as they were already calm, sedate,
obedient and well trained dogs.

With hyper Jewely, well, tonight she did not try to jump
on me when I let her out of the bedroom to go potty, and
she calmly sat at the door waiting to be let out instead of
getting all anxious. I have not really tried serious training
with her indoors near the box yet, except once, but not for
long enough to see if it'd really work.

Since some of the usual training methods are not working
with her on the jumping problem, I plan to give Jerry's method
a fair shake. The one time I tried it, yeah, she piddled, but I
think that's because I did not do it right. I spoke with Jerry
further by e-mail and I was not supposed to jump straight in
to working on a specific behavior problem. I need to to the
pre-training excercizes first!

I'll post later on the results when I have more time
to really concentrate on working with her near the box.

In the meantime, the box DOES seem to calm the
animals and make it easier to work with them. The
results alone on the cats have made it worth every
penny. And if it can increase Jewely's attention span........ ;-)

Leah might want to try one on Maddie? <shrugs

He may be hostile on the list, but he IS honest and
honors his money back guarantees, so you won't be
out anything if you just decide to try it like I did!

Katra

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From: Ama...@DCFWatch.com (Ama...@dcfwatch.com)
Subject: Can we get specific about doggydoright without rancor?
Date: 2003-01-13 08:00:29 PST

"Donna" <raindancer...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.­com> wrote in message

<news:MuwU9.10110$R16.6984@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...

It's a smallish box with ac adapter.  It emits a "song".  A sound
unheard by the tympanic membrane.  It regulates brain waves
and calms the subject down.  I got mine yesterday.

I have two pitties, my neighbor on one side has an infant pitty
and the other neighbor on my left has a pitty mix, greyhound
and pig.  Her dogs bark CONSTANTLY!

All hours of the night.. she lets em out for last call around 1am.
We put ours on our kicthen window sill so the animals outside
and inside can hear it.  Anyway.. for the first time my dogs slept
peacefully.

I also did some training with jerry and hise wife yesterday,
between that and the machine my dogs ignored the dogs barking.
A mere quiet growl from my oldest dog, a good girl good job! and
she went back to sleep.. an abolsolute first in this house.

My nieghbors dogs continued barking.. the machine was
not set to play.. so i reset it.. and they shut right up.

The whole nieghborhood was quiet for the first time.

Neighbors dogs are still behaving today.

I will be loaning it to my father in two weeks, once my dogs
remember the "song" and can learn to replay it to themselves
to calm themselves down, for his cockatiel who is home alone
alot.. and very bitchy.

I will also be buying one for my mom for her feuding kitty cats.
And finally I will be buying one for my friend who has two dogs
and a child with major seizure problems.  I think this device will
help her daughters seizures since it controls and regulates brain
waves.

Since i'm not rich.. and these machines are $135 with shipping ...
when i say I am planning on buying three of them for friends.. you
know it works.  I could always let them borrow it for free.. but
this machine is so kickass.. they need their own so their
neighbors dogs can be happy too.

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And here's my machine curing seizures:

Jerry says:
howe's the baby's seizures?

parentadlitem says:
better

Jerry says:
got any idea how much better?

parentadlitem says:
not really

parentadlitem says:
she doesn't do em here that i see

Jerry says:
amazing

Jerry says:
when's the last time she seized with you?

parentadlitem says:
weeks ago?

Jerry says:
but before the machine it was daily?

parentadlitem says:
every minute!

Jerry says:
does her mom use it at her howes?

parentadlitem says:
yup

parentadlitem says:
i yelled at her about it

Jerry says:
ask her when's the last time she saw a seizure for me

parentadlitem says:
k . she's sleepin now, ill talk to her tonight, she's comin over

Jerry says:
yeah... that's pretty good stuff

parentadlitem says:
yup

parentadlitem says:
i love mine

parentadlitem says:
no barkin the nieghborhood at all anymore

parentadlitem says:
ever

Jerry says:
right

parentadlitem says:
once in a blue moon some distant dog will bark

parentadlitem says:
but all the neighbors dogs are quiet

Jerry says:
when you hear that distant dog throw the machin on

parentadlitem says:
we do

parentadlitem says:
it's really rare though

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