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Family Forum / Parenting / Spanking / July 2006explaining the cps savior
some religious traditions contain stories of miraculous experiences............there are visions, bolts of lightning, and other supernatural events that so profoundly affect the person that it changes their life.................events in childhood can also influence perceptions about life...............just as there are those in need of a divine presence to drive away demons, there are people in search of an earthly champion to do battle with adults from childhood that still haunt their minds as adults.............as with religious devotees, these individuals are often oblivious to the inadequacies, contradictions, and damage done by blindly following the perfect solution to bad experiences from childhood that still haunt them..............this is the story of cps................even though the promised salvation of children is something less than the ideal envisioned, those still tormented by their childhood still fervently believe in the savior and demand others do the same or be condemned to follow a less than enlightened path to a dark end............. > some religious traditions contain stories of miraculous > experiences............there are visions, bolts of lightning, and other [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > believe in the savior and demand others do the same or be condemned to > follow a less than enlightened path to a dark end............. What a maroon. Explain this: "During 2004, an estimated 1,490 children died (compared to 1,460 children for 2003) from abuse or neglect-at a rate of 2.03 deaths per 100,000 children." Or this: "Three-quarters (78.9%) of child fatalities were caused by one or more parents" Or this: "Almost one-third (31.3%) of fatalities were perpetrated by the mother acting alone." http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm04/chapterfour.htm#child Ron Ron, Foster kids are like 1% of all kids in the US but they suffer 5% of all child abuse, at the hands of the Fosters. Keep up with the good work on the stats. Maybe you can get so whipped by stats that instead of blabbing them you will resort to talking up how STATS LIE, as Kane has. > Ron, Foster kids are like 1% of all kids in the US No they aren't. The remaining 99% are not abused, or at least their parents haven't been caught at it. > but they suffer 5% of all child abuse, Bogus figure. As I've posted here for many years now, foster parents are under such a high level of scrutiny by not only CPS but by a group of providers of various services; medical, dental, school, therapy, court review, visitation by parents, BY LAW, that parents are not subject to BY LAW, that the count is pointless. > at the hands > of the Fosters. Interestingly that has not been proven. It simply says, "in foster care." A true estimate of actual abuse by foster parents themselves is buried in the "other caretaker" data. > Keep up with the good work > on the stats. He's way behind, for the reason that parents are protected in this country from government intrusion. Child abuse is one of the most difficult of crimes to uncover for that reason alone. And it is easy to HIDE child abuse. It's not like B&E with broken window that everyone can see, with the brick laying inside the building. The public does not even get to SEE THE BUILDING, in this case the child, unless the parent allows it. Small babies don't complain. And their infant injuries are often not even discovered until later years when an allegation of a current abuse brings them to be examined. > Maybe you can get so whipped > by stats that instead of blabbing them you will > resort to talking up how STATS LIE, as Kane has. They do. They mostly underestimate the problem. We tend to do that. It's a cultural thing. We do NOT want to think of ourselves as a nation of child abusers. We aren't actually, compared to some countries, but we do our share, so to speak. And logical people that are honest know perfectly well it's horrifically UNDER reported. 0:->  Signature"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) honest people also know that all sorts of other things are also underreported..............gov'ment bureaucrats have a well-deserved reputation for hiding their f.ck-ups...............in particular, cps is widely understood to be a self-serving make-work bureaucracy that has such a bad reputation for trying to hide its mistakes that it has lost widespread public support..............unable to get the ear of congress, its arrogant toadies have been reduced to making their pathetic case to bemused posters in little newsgroups................... ]:^< runs around her dog lot barking about honest people know child abuse is underreported............... > honest people also know that all sorts of other things are also > underreported..............gov'ment bureaucrats have a well-deserved > reputation for hiding their f.ck-ups...............in particular, cps > is widely understood The general public knows little of child protection issues. You are lying, lil 'o'. to be a self-serving make-work bureaucracy that > has such a bad reputation for trying to hide its mistakes that it has > lost widespread public support.............. Nonsense. Even local limited fuckups get cranked up by some muck raking media into what appears to be statewide, or even national, malfeasance in child protect. A crock of bullshit propaganda masquerading as 'news.' > unable to get the ear of > congress, Not true since and even before CAPTA. You certainly are an ignorant sot. its arrogant toadies have been reduced to making their > pathetic case to bemused posters in little > newsgroups................... And the major media. And I'd hardly call child abuse a "pathetic case." > ]:^< runs around her dog lot barking about honest people know child > abuse is underreported............... I notice you are unable to refute my claim. 0:-> Signature"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) the amusement isn't that children are abused.............it's that cps apologists think that they are the solution.................they're like the perennial nut-jobs, with religious tracts in hand ranting, about how they have the solution for life and eternity................. ]:^< runs around her dog lot barking about cps as a savior of children................. > the amusement isn't that children are abused.............it's that cps > apologists think that they are the solution................. They know they are not the solution dearie, but they do know what the solution is. Can you figure out what it is that they already know? Ron >> the amusement isn't that children are abused.............it's that cps >> apologists think that they are the solution................. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Can you figure out what it is that they already know? That you're a MoRon? > Ron >>> the amusement isn't that children are abused.............it's that cps >>> apologists think that they are the solution................. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That you're a MoRon? Nice try, but that one is a bit old. Try something original. So, I'll pose the same question to you, since it seems that you insist on entering a conversation that you obviously know little about. Lets try and expand your intellectual horizons just a bit. Can you figure out what it is that they already know? Ron BTW, Blather seems to be an accurate description of your posts to date. ooooooooooooh my, we've got one nut-job saying cps is the answer, if only it had enough money, and the other saying it isn't................... ronnie says cps isn't the answer while ]:^< says it is.................... > ooooooooooooh my, we've got one nut-job saying cps is the answer, if > only it had enough money, and the other saying it > isn't................... > > ronnie says cps isn't the answer while ]:^< says it > is.................... Interestingly we are not negating each other's statements at all. If people with children would get their sh.t together CPS would be redundant and useless. Since they don't, it's what we have at this time. What have you got? I've asked before, haven't I, lil 'o' and you seem reluctant to contribute but more than happy to play sidewalk superintendent on Monday Morning. 0:-> Signature"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) >> ooooooooooooh my, we've got one nut-job saying cps is the answer, if >> only it had enough money, and the other saying it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I've asked before, haven't I, lil 'o' and you seem reluctant to contribute > but more than happy to play sidewalk superintendent on Monday Morning. Kane is absolutely correct maggie dear. He knew the answer. You obviously didn't. The solution is parents NOT abusing and / or neglecting their children. Eliminate those problems and you can eliminate the need for CPS and Foster parents, completely. Therefore CPS is NOT the solution, it is nothing more than a bandage on the problem until the real solution can be realized, or until something better comes along. So far, from the wack-jobs on the anti-CPS front, nothing. Until they can come up with a better bandage, or make the actual solution happen, they need to STFU and listen to those of us who know the problems as well as the solution. Ron right, ronnie.......................no one knows anything except ]:^< and you.................it's time to park your bureaucratic hummer.................taxpayers are tired of paying for your g-a-s consisting of equal parts of greed, arrogance, and stupidity................... phony moronnie thinks he has all the answers........................ > right, ronnie.......................no one knows anything except ]:^< > and you.................it's time to park your bureaucratic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > phony moronnie thinks he has all the answers........................ Then you admit you do not? So THAT'S why you haven't answered the challenge to create something better than you criticize. Tsk. lil 'o', you outdo yourself. 0:-> Signature"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) you sound like some blowhard preacher trying to explain away contradictions in the bible................ ]:^< runs around her dog lot barking it's all the parents fault that she's a little tax sucking cps toady............... > you sound like some blowhard preacher trying to explain away > contradictions in the bible................ > > ]:^< runs around her dog lot barking it's all the parents fault that > she's a little tax sucking cps toady............... <sound of filing nails> Signature"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) > Ron, Foster kids are like 1% of all kids in the US > but they suffer 5% of all child abuse, at the hands > of the Fosters. 0.47% gregg, not 5%. Try and keep up dude, your lagging behind the rest of the group. Ron Yes, Ron, I am sure you'd like to seel Foster care as being statistically safe for kids. It is disproportionately risky. What? You're a Nebraska Foster contractor? What an amazing point of view given that! |
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