[FOR SALE] Your Children: Houston state Sen. Dan Patrick wants the state to pay $500 to women who give their babies up for adoption instead of aborting them...
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fx - 27 Mar 2007 05:49 GMT http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4654720.html
Patrick's adoption incentive is baby selling, some say
By JANET ELLIOTT Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau TOOLS Email
AUSTIN — Houston state Sen. Dan Patrick wants the state to pay $500 to women who give their babies up for adoption instead of aborting them, an idea some say borders on baby selling.
"We want that lady to have an incentive that makes her stop and think about having an abortion and that gives her a reason to put her baby up for adoption," said Patrick, a radio broadcaster who champions conservative causes such as abortion and tightening the border.
The Republican lawmaker's Senate Bill 1567 was referred to the Senate Health and Human Services Committee on Wednesday. No committee hearing has been scheduled for the bill, which has yet to draw any co-sponsors.
"My goal is to save as many babies as we possibly can," said Patrick, who also has a bill to trigger an abortion ban in Texas should the U.S. Supreme Court ever reverse its landmark 1973 decision, Roe v. Wade, legalizing abortion.
Critics say his bill doesn't recognize the complex issues involved in a woman's decision to place her baby for adoption and comes dangerously close to baby selling.
One anti-abortion group — while supporting the goal of encouraging adoption over abortion — expressed caution.
"We just need to make sure there isn't even the perception of baby buying going on," said Joe Pojman, executive director of Texas Alliance for Life.
An organization that supports a woman's right to choose said Patrick's bill is terrible.
"It's the stuff nightmares are made of," said Fran Hagerty of the Women's Health and Family Planning Association of Texas. "This is insulting to women and also insulting to all the great charitable organizations out there that do wonderful work finding adoptive parents and taking care of the birth mother."
It is a crime in Texas to offer to give a thing of value to another for acquiring a child for purposes of adoption. Exceptions are made for necessary pregnancy-related expense that benefit the mother.
Patrick said the payments would not be akin to baby selling.
"We're just giving someone an incentive to put your baby up for adoption," he said. "Then the baby goes through the normal adoptive process. No one is coming in here and buying a baby."
Another group that advocates reproductive freedom said the emphasis should be on preventing unplanned pregnancies by providing women with birth-control options.
"If Sen. Dan Patrick wants to improve women's health care options, then he should support the Prevention First Act, which includes common sense ways to reduce the need for abortion," said Carol Drennan, interim executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Texas, in a prepared statement.
The head of a national adoption-policy group said a recent study on birth mothers who gave up their children found that many experienced lifelong guilt over their decision.
Adam Pertman, executive director of the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, said good adoption practice means presenting all options on a level playing field.
"You let women respectfully make the best decision they can at an excruciatingly difficult time. Introducing money into the mix can be coercive," Pertman said.
If the bill reduced the 77,374 abortions performed in Texas in 2005 by 5 percent, more than 3,000 babies' lives would be saved, Patrick said.
Greegor - 29 Mar 2007 13:19 GMT Whatta deal for the state! Pay $500 to the Mom for the baby, collect the state care subsidies (from Feds) and then collect the $7K adoption bonus (from Feds) !
> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4654720.html > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > If the bill reduced the 77,374 abortions performed in Texas in 2005 by 5 > percent, more than 3,000 babies' lives would be saved, Patrick said. Dan Sullivan - 29 Mar 2007 13:39 GMT > Whatta deal for the state! > Pay $500 to the Mom for the baby, collect the > state care subsidies (from Feds) and then > collect the $7K adoption bonus (from Feds) ! You're sure this politician's motivation was financial rather than the fact that children's lives would be saved?
0:-] - 29 Mar 2007 16:12 GMT >> Whatta deal for the state! >> Pay $500 to the Mom for the baby, collect the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You're sure this politician's motivation was financial rather than the >fact that children's lives would be saved? To "Think." As to Greg, I can find none that operationally apply. Can you?
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0:-] - 29 Mar 2007 15:53 GMT >Whatta deal for the state! Mmmm....sorry, there's a net loss of considerable revenue.
No payment scheme to date has covered all expenditures. We tax payers, (the State) have to foot a good bit of the bill for the druggies, criminals, and incompetent (I accept supporting the latter, but not the former) who injure their children by neglect and abuse.
>Pay $500 to the Mom for the baby, collect the >state care subsidies (from Feds) and then >collect the $7K adoption bonus (from Feds) ! Let's keep things in perspective.
Children, on average, stay in the system for about 18 months to final placement -- be it a return to their bio parent(s) or an adoptive or other legal custodial arrangement.
So that's minus $500 plus $7,000, plus title 4E (which not all children are eligible for) say $500mox18=$9000.
Coming to:
$15,500 (gross) divided by 18 months, and you get a whopping $861.11mo.
That would barely cover basic care for a child...without any other expenses.
Nope, I don't see the net profit. Do you? Somewhere between $400 and $500 mo would go to foster subsidy.
Doesn't leave a lot of room, now does it?
Besides, this would amount to a form of purchase of a child.
That's a no no.
Now if services were delivered to the mom to be, that would be a different story. Private adoptions are handled that way often these days. Support and care for the mom to be during pregnancy.
And Greg, I've a little surprise for you. Often the "woman" having the child is a girl already being supported by the state.
So tell us, what's your solution to "the problem," you seem to be presenting.
In fact, just what problem ARE you presenting? Can you help us understand more clearly please?
>> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4654720.html >> [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >> If the bill reduced the 77,374 abortions performed in Texas in 2005 by 5 >> percent, more than 3,000 babies' lives would be saved, Patrick said.
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