Family Forum / Parenting / Spanking / February 2004

Look at the subject of your post, Fern.  Your subject line read "94% of
families in USA spank."

Whether or not this is true is irrelevant in light of this post.  You
turned "94% of families in the USA spank" into "94% of the human race."

Your bigotry and ignorance makes me literally ill.  Do you think that
anyone who lives outside of the USA is not a member of the human race?
My God, Fern.  Think about what you say.  Countries that have banned
spanking and countries that have lower a lower incidence of spanking are
populated by individuals who are not human?

I certainly hope someone else reads this post of yours.  I wonder how an
individual who spanks his/her children but lives outside the USA would
feel to learn that according to you, he/she is not part of the "human race."

LaVonne

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==>BTW, Canada, just recently affirmed the rights and *responsibility* of families
==>to educate their children as they see fit.  Short of beating and extreme
==>punishments.

        Where do you get this sh.t?

        In fact, the Supreme Court ruled (in a split
        decision) that parents and other caregivers may
        use "reasonable force" on children only if the
        children are between the ages of three and 12,
        and only if such force is "minor," and "of a
        transitory and trifling nature," and only if
        it does not involve any objects whatsoever and
        does not include blows to the head or face.
        It also banned all use of corporal punishment by
        teachers.

        That's hardly what most people would consider
        giving parents carte blanche to treat children "as
        they see fit."

        It's also worth noting what Justice Deschamps said
        in his dissenting opinion:

        Section 43 "perpetuates the notion of children as
        property     rather than human beings and sends the
        message that their bodily integrity and physical
        security is to be sacrificed to the will of their
        parents, however     misguided."

        Now THAT is what decent parents will be guided
        by -- not the very narrow interpretation that found
        that Section 43 of the Criminal Code doesn't
        violate the Constituton of Canada.

==>Game, set and match to Fern and 94% of the human race.

        Actually, you lose.

        What the decision from Canada's highest court
        did, in fact, was criminalize the practice of
        "spanking" as most people understand the
        term.

        If you want to consider that a victory, Fern, be
        my guest.

--
The danger to the life and well-being of children
increases in direct proportion to their proximity
to religion and its believers.
-Ivan Gowch