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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 18 May 2006 17:07 GMT
Here's something I posted in another group.  Part of the problem I
posted about is shear exhaustion from the things y'all know about from
the past 6-and-a-half years, and I didn't post it all, as I'm sure you
realize.  None of us post everything going on with us.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
Date: 18 May 2006 08:33:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Autism treatments?

Arak wrote:
> "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
>
> normal." - Albert Camus
>
> I had to comment on this quote.  How very true!  When driving home from
> work at night, I tend to not talk, which is disconcerting for my ADD,
> very chatty hubby.  I just drive (my focus) and answer in grunts (uh
> huh...mmmm, neh)..."That's nice" is too hard for me to say after work!

I'm trying to get up the energy (and the words) to write a post about
how this is affecting me ATM.

My family just doesn't get how much of my energy has been drained.  I'm
exhausted, used up.  I'm not dealing well.  I used to be able to keep
the reactions under control, inside myself.  I can't anymore.

They don't understand that.  They understand that I'm stressed, but
they get angry with me for reacting when I get overwhelmed.  They tell
me I need to get myself under control.  I'M TRYING!!!

But them telling me that *I* need to get *ME* under control, and
refusing to change the things they are doing that are adding to my
being overwhelmed , nor helping me to reduce the other stressors around
me, makes it worse.  And THEY DON'T GET IT!

Sorry for shouting.  I'm going back and forth on the verge of tears
atm.  I'm not dealing well.  I'm falling apart.  I don't know where to
turn for help.

My PA is willing to help, but he knows absolutely nothing about AS and
he doesn't know who to send me to.  The folks whose contact info he
gave me were no help.  I've GOT to get this fixed.  I can't take this
any more.  I'm going to wind up locked away somewhere if it's not dealt
with soon.

How do I deal with all this, and how do I get it across to my family
that I need their help, and *WHAT* they need to do to help me,. without
them getting angry at me and telling me it's all my fault, or thinking
I'm trying to put them on a guilt trip?

I've spent nearly 7 years helping Chewy, OS, and YD.  I put YS on the
back burner while I was helping them. I put my own needs away somewhere
and now they're bursting to be set free.

How do I get them all to help me, now that I have no strength left?

Kitten
Jennifer in Maryland - 19 May 2006 00:21 GMT
"Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> wrote in
message

> My family just doesn't get how much of my energy has been drained.  I'm
> exhausted, used up.  I'm not dealing well.  I used to be able to keep
> the reactions under control, inside myself.  I can't anymore.

If you're regularly keeping your reactions inside yourself, then to those
around you, you appear to be completely in control.  You probably appear as
capable as you like to project, even though it's a lie.  How much do they
really know or understand about how things are building to the point of
explosion?

> They don't understand that.  They understand that I'm stressed, but
> they get angry with me for reacting when I get overwhelmed.  They tell
> me I need to get myself under control.  I'M TRYING!!!

That's absolute bullshit, if you'll pardon my language.  They get angry with
you for reacting?  Too f.cking bad.  You are entitled to your emotions, and
you can't spend your life babying everyone else so they feel respected &
loved without getting anything in return.

> But them telling me that *I* need to get *ME* under control, and
> refusing to change the things they are doing that are adding to my
> being overwhelmed , nor helping me to reduce the other stressors around
> me, makes it worse.  And THEY DON'T GET IT!

I disagree.  I think they get it 100%.  Kitten is the one to smooth things
over and tend to everyone, so that's the way things need to stay.

> How do I deal with all this, and how do I get it across to my family
> that I need their help, and *WHAT* they need to do to help me,. without
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> How do I get them all to help me, now that I have no strength left?

Oh, Kitten.  :-(  I've always felt you do far too much for everyone else,
and not enough for yourself.  Obviously that's not something you can
maintain forever.  I'm surprised you haven't felt the pressure overwhelm you
long before this.

You ask how to get it across to your family, but I think you know how to do
it, as you express your feelings here very well.  I think the problem is
that they're likely going to respond as you fear, with anger and
recrimination.  That to me says that a lot of this crisis is beyond your
control & has more to do with the behaviors/personalities of your family
members.

If you can't hold it in anymore, then you have no choice but to be
completely honest with your family.  If they can't handle it appropriately,
then at least you know where you stand.  You can decide what sort of
counseling might benefit your family, or whether your loved ones are too
resistant to be there for you when you need them.  Is it likely to be worse
when they react the way you fear they will, or worse to keep going on trying
to hold all this inside?

Your family needs to be your soft place to fall.  You can't do it all on
your own.

Jennifer
Tracey - 19 May 2006 01:19 GMT
> How do I deal with all this, and how do I get it across to my family
> that I need their help, and *WHAT* they need to do to help me,. without
> them getting angry at me and telling me it's all my fault, or thinking
> I'm trying to put them on a guilt trip?

Kitten, I'm not sure how to say this so bear with me a bit, kay? :)

IMO, at a certain point, it's time to stop worrying so much about
how a dysfunctional person (or a person with a particular dysfunction
or 'hang-up' or button or whatever) is going to take something and
just go ahead and do whatever needs to be done and *then* deal with
the fallout. Quite frankly, my husband and I are at this point right
now and it's still up in the air as to whether we are going to be
able to deal with the fallout and continue being married. But, we
reached a situation where my previous methods of coping/dealing
with our issues just didn't work anymore and the consequences of
dealing with one particular situation that came up were just too
much for me to continue with what had become the status quo for
our relationship. So, keep in mind that while the first sentence
above *is* still my opinion, the practical application of it might
end up in our divorcing.

I get the impression from some of your recent posts that, you,
too, might have reached the point of no return, just as I did
about a year and a half ago. That point (for me at least) was
where I couldn't pussyfoot around DH's dysfunctions/outlook on
life and relationships/obliviousness/etc., any longer because
the negative consequences (to myself and our son) were too
great.

> I've spent nearly 7 years helping Chewy, OS, and YD.  I put YS on the
> back burner while I was helping them. I put my own needs away somewhere
> and now they're bursting to be set free.
>
> How do I get them all to help me, now that I have no strength left?

Well, I obviously don't know the answer to that one since I can't
get DH to 'get' that I'm done watching the 'one baby step forward,
one giant step backward and, while I'm going backwards, I'm gonna
fall over and destroy something and watch as you try and put it
back together and get pissed at you because you're not coaxing
me to take another baby step.' (A little bitter, aren't I? <sigh>)

Tracey
Vicki Robinson - 19 May 2006 01:41 GMT
In a previous article, Tracey <rbrancher2@aol.com> said:

>> How do I deal with all this, and how do I get it across to my family
>> that I need their help, and *WHAT* they need to do to help me,. without
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>just go ahead and do whatever needs to be done and *then* deal with
>the fallout.

I agree with Tracey.

My internal alarms always go off in this group after 10 years when I
see someone write "How do I get them to see without them getting
angry?"  And my answer always is "You can't *get* anyone to do
anything."  You make your case, they get pissed and blame you.  OK, so
what do you do?  Continue to do it their way and lose yourself in
their needs?  Or say "This is what I need.  If I can't get it from
you, I'll have to find some other source."

You've given them seven years of selflessness.  If Chewy hasn't got a
handle on his anger and his resentment yet, how long are you going to
wait?  If the kids are *still* blowing up, how long are you going to
wait?  When do they get to handle their own problems, the way they
expect you to handle yours?

I dont' have any answers for you, but I have to say that over the
years I have marveled at some of the things you lived with; I would
have been out of there five years ago.  I couldn't have taken it.

What are your choices if your family refuses to hear you?  Do you have
a place to go?

vicki
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darth_breather@yahoo.com - 19 May 2006 03:13 GMT
> But them telling me that *I* need to get *ME* under control, and
> refusing to change the things they are doing that are adding to my
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Kitten

Have you tried putting it in writing?

Sometimes, that makes people look at things more seriously.

If you can, go away for a day or even a weekend. I know you have
responsibilities on the farm, but there must be some process for
allowing you to leave for a day or two.

Leave them a letter saying all the things you have said here.

Give them specific things you need them to do. Tell them to call you
AFTER reading and discussing the contents.

Can't say this will help, but it might.
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 05:11 GMT
<snipped>
> Have you tried putting it in writing?

<snipped>
> Give them specific things you need them to do. Tell them to call you
> AFTER reading and discussing the contents.

Heh.  Thought about c/p'ing the IM conversation Chewy and I were having
this morning.  I usually do much better writing things down than I do
communicating face-to-face.  He told me I'm putting everything in terms
of what I need instead of what the family needs.  Hello!!  I'm the one
falling apart at this point.  I'd said that he needs to tell me what I
can do to help him, and what I need from him and the kids is 1) Him to
learn how to deal with situations without stressing out and yelling, 2)
YD to stop feeling so guilty every time she makes some little mistake
that she lashes out at the whole family when she's corrected, 3) YS to
stop hiding because he's tired of getting yelled at whenever someone
gets stressed, and 4) OS to start taking care of himself and stop
blaming Chewy for every bad decision he chooses to make.

But, ya know, that's all about me.

Kitten
Jess - 19 May 2006 05:14 GMT
> But, ya know, that's all about me.

And the correct answer is "Yes, this time it is all about me. That's what
loving and supporting is all about, and this time, I'm telling you I don't
have it to give and that I need the love and support from ya'll because I'm
out of resources to cope with."

Jess
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 05:27 GMT
> > But, ya know, that's all about me.
>
> And the correct answer is "Yes, this time it is all about me. That's what
> loving and supporting is all about, and this time, I'm telling you I don't
> have it to give and that I need the love and support from ya'll because I'm
> out of resources to cope with."

That's pretty close to what I told them.  I'm determined to NOT feel
guilty about taking care of me at this point, no matter how much the
guilt tries to creep in.

Kitten
Jess - 19 May 2006 05:36 GMT
> That's pretty close to what I told them.  I'm determined to NOT feel
> guilty about taking care of me at this point, no matter how much the
> guilt tries to creep in.

It's ok to feel guilty once in a while-you're going to anyways. Just don't
let it overrule what you need for yourself.

Jess
heather m. - 19 May 2006 06:30 GMT
>> > But, ya know, that's all about me.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> guilty about taking care of me at this point, no matter how much the
> guilt tries to creep in.

You're at a hard spot then, because you can't MAKE anybody do what it is you
need them to do (which I'm sure you know).  It is unfair for your son to
have to hide from them, and I just want to say I can't believe the gall and
entitlement of Chewy to expect you to think of the family and what the
family needs when that is EXACTLY what you've done, and practically broken
your back doing, for the past, I don't know, how many years?

Heather
darth_breather@yahoo.com - 19 May 2006 08:02 GMT
> <snipped>
> > Have you tried putting it in writing?
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Kitten

You know, speaking without any knowledge of your family, perhaps you
could help yourself by taking them less seriously?

Specifically: If YS is tired of getting yelled at, isn't he doing the
sensible thing by hiding? It gets him out of the fireing range while
the ammos flying. Why not just let it go? Or actually encourage him to
hide.

If OS blames Chewey for every bad decision, back out of it and let them
solve it. There's a certain age when everything is Dad's Fault or Mom's
Fault. He will probably grow out of it.

Take a leaf out of YSs book. If the stress starts to get to you, leave.
Go and feed the lambs. Go for a walk. Take the car to the nearest town.

If it is your job to fix everyone and everything, you will get
overloaded.

JMO
heather m. - 19 May 2006 04:22 GMT
> How do I get them all to help me, now that I have no strength left?

All I know is to be completely honest.  If you lose a little control, then
you lose a little control.  The thing is, you can't get them to help you,
they have to choose to and want to and be able to recognize that you need
help (which is why I think sometimes losing a little control is ok, I mean
you have to get their attention).  Hell, maybe you don't have to lose
control, maybe you could just do something to make them realize you are
serious, like leave or something.  You have a teaching degree, don't you?

It'll be OK Kitten, you're just giving way, way too much to them.  I think
it would do them a lot of good for you to quit thinking so much of them and
concentrate a little more on yourself and your son.

Heather
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 05:02 GMT
> Here's something I posted in another group.  Part of the problem I
> posted about is shear exhaustion from the things y'all know about from
> the past 6-and-a-half years, and I didn't post it all, as I'm sure you
> realize.  None of us post everything going on with us.

<snipped>

Thanks, everyone.

Yes, I have a place to go if needed.  I've been thinking about going to
spend some time at my mother's this summer, letting Chewy and YD deal
with the farm and all that all by themselves.  YS will be in Arkansas
visiting his father, OS is out on his own, so it'll just be the two of
them.  Should make YD happy to be able to things the way *she* wants
around my house.  I thought that being gone for two weeks earlier this
year might help things, but as much as they missed me, they also
settled into a routine that was comfortable for them.  Maybe two weeks
wasn't enough time to be gone.

And yes, I write clearly.  But that's WAY different than saying it in
person, face-to-face.  For one thing, I've always had difficulties with
that.  Relationships are just HARD.  I tend to avoid conflict if I can,
but when I can't, I tend to dig in my heels like a Missouri mule.
Either method can be good in some situations, but harmful in others.
My Aspie tendencies start taking over, and communication becomes almost
impossible.

The blowups from my telling them I'm not dealing well and need their
help aren't a possibility; they're a reality.  As I get further and
further down this path of being overwhelmed, my Aspie tendencies keep
surfacing more and more.  It's making Chewy have to be responsible, and
he's having a hard time with that.  He loves me, but he doesn't know
how to be the strong one in a relationship.  I don't know if anyone
ever showed him how before.

But he *did* just finish replumbing my kitchen sink tonight.  And he
did the dinner dishes.

YS worked today and works 14 hours each tomorrow and Saturday, so he's
spending the night in town with TF, who works at the same restaurant
and has the same hours.  That way, I don't have to drive them in.  YD
worked tonight, too, so it was just Chewy and me for dinner.  We talked
a bit, or actually, I tried to get us talking and he sat there trying
to figure out why he's feeling the way he is.

I can get through all this, if I can count on him to be there for me.
But he doesn't know how to be there for me.  He wants to, but he keeps
saying he doesn't know how to stop yelling and start listening when
things come up.  He keeps apologizing for not being what I need him to
be.  He says he doesn't know how to be supportive.  I keep trying not
to feel like he'd do it if he *really* loved me.  Those kinds of
thoughts are just a trap.

<sigh>  My meds are starting to take effect.  I really hate having to
take them.

Kitten
Jess - 19 May 2006 05:12 GMT
> I can get through all this, if I can count on him to be there for me.
> But he doesn't know how to be there for me.  He wants to, but he keeps
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to feel like he'd do it if he *really* loved me.  Those kinds of
> thoughts are just a trap.

Is there an Aspie support group around there where he can get around other
spouses of people with Aspie?

Jess
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 05:18 GMT
> > I can get through all this, if I can count on him to be there for me.
> > But he doesn't know how to be there for me.  He wants to, but he keeps
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Is there an Aspie support group around there where he can get around other
> spouses of people with Aspie?

I've been trying to find one, but so far no luck.  Everything I've
found thus far has been for kids or for parents of kids with Aspergers.
Total PITA.  I'll keep looking, though.  We've got to do something.

Kitten
heather m. - 19 May 2006 06:32 GMT
Have you looked in Austin?  You're near there, aren't you?  Are you coming
to Arkansas anytime soon?  Because there might be one here, esp. in N Ar.

Heather

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>> > I can get through all this, if I can count on him to be there for me.
>> > But he doesn't know how to be there for me.  He wants to, but he keeps
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Kitten
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 14:42 GMT
> Have you looked in Austin?  You're near there, aren't you?  Are you coming
> to Arkansas anytime soon?  Because there might be one here, esp. in N Ar.

Everything I've found in Austin is for parents of children with
autism/Aspergers.  It's like the situation disappears if you're a
high-functioning adult.  Doesn't matter that life gets overwhelming, no
matter how high-functioning you are.

I know a lot of the problems we're having are Chewy's inability to deal
with his past.  But a lot of them are also his difficulty accepting the
challenges I have.

He and I talked last night.  A lot of his problems with YS and me are
that we remind him of who he was when he was younger.  He was the
ultimate nerd/geek when he was elementary/middle school age.  Then he
decided he wanted to "fit in."  So he forced himself to change, to fit
in.  He's done that so often, he doesn't know who he is anymore.  He
gets angry with us because we remind him of the self he ran away from
being, the person he really is.  Silly man.

I've got to find a counselor he'll actually make time to go see.

Kitten
Vicki Robinson - 19 May 2006 14:56 GMT
In a previous article, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> said:

>I've got to find a counselor he'll actually make time to go see.

Another thought from my own experience:  Once a counselor told me, as
I went through the litany of "I have to... and I must... and then I
gotta...", "It must be hard, keeping all the planets whirling around
the Sun like that."

She was so right.  I was convinced that unless I was vigilant and
tended to everyone's needs, my own personal planets were going to go
whirling off into space.  But I figured out that I can't be the only
gravitational field around; people have to figure out how to do for
themselves, and the outcomes might not be what I'd planned, but when
did God die and put me in charge of what's right?

Maybe you ought to let people trip and fall and get up and cry and
feel sorry for themselves.  Heaven knows, you've given them enough
guidance and support over the years.  Maybe it's just time for them to
do the best they can on their own.

I don't mean that you have to leave, I mean that you have to start
turning things back on them.  When they expect you to clean up some
kind of mess, you look at them and say "Gee.  What are you going to do
about that?"  (And, of course, I'm not talking about real messes, I'm
speaking metaphorically.)

It's so so SO hard to let go.  I haven't finished, and this advice was
given to me 20 years ago.  But it resonated, and continues to do so.

Vicki
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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 17:19 GMT
Thanks, Vicki.  That's what I'm trying to do.

Kitten

> In a previous article, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> said:
>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> But there it sits, nevertheless, calmly licking its chops."
>                                                - H. L. Mencken
Jess - 19 May 2006 17:59 GMT
> Thanks, Vicki.  That's what I'm trying to do.

The reminder phrase around here that's used to get me chill out is "Who died
and made you God?" ;)

Jess
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 18:37 GMT
> > Thanks, Vicki.  That's what I'm trying to do.
>
> The reminder phrase around here that's used to get me chill out is "Who died
> and made you God?" ;)

Heh.  I've often asked YD, "Who died and made you the mom?"

Kitten
Jess - 19 May 2006 19:37 GMT
> Heh.  I've often asked YD, "Who died and made you the mom?"

*snickers*

But seriously. Listen to Vicki. Unless someone's dying or going to die, let
them handle it.

Jess
Vicki Robinson - 19 May 2006 19:17 GMT
In a previous article, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> said:

>Thanks, Vicki.  That's what I'm trying to do.

But are you?  I see you trying to force them to take some
responsibility, rather than just... letting go of it.  You just don't
do it.  Chips will fall, probably whereever they want to.  It's not
your problem.

You've been teaching them to fish for years, and yet they whine that
they'll go hungry if you don't do something.  You're waiting for them
to help you out.  I doubt that that's going to happen without drastic
action on your part.

Vicki
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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 19:41 GMT
> In a previous article, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> said:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> to help you out.  I doubt that that's going to happen without drastic
> action on your part.

I'm seriously considering heading to AZ for the summer, or at least a
part of it.  Let Chewy and YD figure things out on their own, let OS
not have me around to fall back on.

Chewy gets worse every time he thinks about my health issues.  He just
can't deal with it, but it needs to be dealt with.  YD keeps accusing
me of using it as an excuse for telling her she has to be responsible
for herself.

The health issues have to be dealt with.  Mom's a nurse and knows which
doctors would be best to go to in her region.  So, maybe I just need to
go out there to get my health taken care of, where I've got people who
are strong enough to be there while I take care of this.  By the time I
get it taken care of, hopefully they'll have figured out a few things.

Kitten
Jess - 19 May 2006 19:47 GMT
> I'm seriously considering heading to AZ for the summer, or at least a
> part of it.

Weather's nice. :D

Jess
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 20:26 GMT
> > I'm seriously considering heading to AZ for the summer, or at least a
> > part of it.
>
> Weather's nice. :D

It's nicer where Mom and my sisters live, abt 20* cooler than where you
are.  :-p

Kitten
Jess - 19 May 2006 21:51 GMT
> It's nicer where Mom and my sisters live, abt 20* cooler than where you
> are.  :-p

That's cold, and besides which, you could wave at me as you went by. :p

Jess
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 21:55 GMT
> > It's nicer where Mom and my sisters live, abt 20* cooler than where you
> > are.  :-p
>
> That's cold, and besides which, you could wave at me as you went by. :p

If I fly in, I'll have to wave as I fly over your house.  (If I fly,
then Chewy will have his car for driving to his job and the truck for
any farm hauling.)

Kitten
Jess - 19 May 2006 22:10 GMT
> If I fly in, I'll have to wave as I fly over your house.  (If I fly,
> then Chewy will have his car for driving to his job and the truck for
> any farm hauling.)

If you fly, it'll likely be into Skyharbor. I think the field up north is
closing down.

Jess
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 19 May 2006 22:40 GMT
> > If I fly in, I'll have to wave as I fly over your house.  (If I fly,
> > then Chewy will have his car for driving to his job and the truck for
> > any farm hauling.)
>
> If you fly, it'll likely be into Skyharbor. I think the field up north is
> closing down.

Skyharbor is the only one I've ever flown in and out of.  It's HUGE!
The layout's neat, unless you're trying to get people to two different
terminals, in two different "arms."  BTDT.

Kitten
Jess - 20 May 2006 07:03 GMT
> Skyharbor is the only one I've ever flown in and out of.  It's HUGE!
> The layout's neat, unless you're trying to get people to two different
> terminals, in two different "arms."  BTDT.

Distinctly unpleasant. :)

But I like Skyharbor too-it's nice and bright and airy. Some of the other
airports I've been in are dark and closed in.

Jess
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 21 May 2006 13:32 GMT
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> Distinctly unpleasant. :)
>
> But I like Skyharbor too-it's nice and bright and airy. Some of the other
> airports I've been in are dark and closed in.

I was trying to remember.  You're what?  About an hour from Skyharbor?

Kitten
Jess - 21 May 2006 21:21 GMT
> I was trying to remember.  You're what?  About an hour from Skyharbor?

Only if there's an accident tying up the 10, 60 and 51 and all the surface
streets.:p  More like fifteen, twenty in bad traffic.

Jess
Vicki Robinson - 21 May 2006 21:49 GMT
In a previous article, "Jess" <home@domain.com> said:

>> I was trying to remember.  You're what?  About an hour from Skyharbor?
>
>Only if there's an accident tying up the 10, 60 and 51 and all the surface
>streets.:p  More like fifteen, twenty in bad traffic.

Ladies?  As much as I like to see traffic on ass-p, could you take
this to e-mail?  All of these messages get propagated out to zillions
of servers where they take up space...  Not so much space, granted,
but still not worth downloading for most of us.

I'm not trying to netkop you, just a respectful request.

Vicki
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Jess - 21 May 2006 23:25 GMT
> I'm not trying to netkop you, just a respectful request.

Sorry.

Jess
Vicki Robinson - 19 May 2006 21:18 GMT
In a previous article, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> said:

>I'm seriously considering heading to AZ for the summer, or at least a
>part of it.  Let Chewy and YD figure things out on their own, let OS
>not have me around to fall back on.

This is the best idea I've ever heard.

Vicki
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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 21 May 2006 06:22 GMT
OK, it's late.  I'm zoning. I need to be in bed.  But I wanted to let
everyone know what's up.

Chewy and I talked over dinner last night.  We decided no farmers
markets today.  Instead, we went on a date.  We haven't done that in
FOREVER!

This morning, he and I got up and took care of the animals, then I took
my meds.  It's not like the buspar was bad enough for knocking me out.
The soma adds to it greatly.  So I laid down on the couch and dozed
while he woke up YD and took her to work.

After I woke up, we fed the littlest babies again, then we got cleaned
up and headed to town.  We went to a little Chinese restaurant and had
a very nice lunch together and actually *talked* during the entire
lunch.  Then we went to the movies.

We bought tickets for The DaVinci Code, but we were half an hour early,
so we decided to look around a bit.  The theatre has a little arcade.
Tucked away amidst all the "latest and greatest" arcade games, we found
a treasure - one of the old Ms. Pacman games.

We spent the rest of the time waiting for the movie playing Ms. Pacman.
It was like we were teenagers (only I was having fun ths time around).
It was such a blast playing each other and trying to remember the ins
and outs of the game.  We haven't laughed so much in ages.

Then we got popcorn and sodas and went in to watch the movie.  It's
really quite good.  I dunno what all the fuss is about.  It's nothing
like the critics trying to get people to boycott it are saying.

It was a REALLY good day today.  We haven't enjoyed ourselves that much
in ages.

Oh, and as we were driving into town this morning, I told him I've been
thinking about maybe going to Mom's for a couple of weeks this summer,
to work on my health.  I mentioned it being so difficult for him and YD
to deal with me not being well.  He thought it's a good idea and said
that it would give him some time to work on the problems he's been
having, too.

I feel really positive about how things have gone the past 24 hours.
Chewy and I love each other and can get through all this.  I'm not sure
where it came from, but apparently there were a couple of things I said
that really clicked with him.  He said they were right, that they fit,
and that it gives him a starting point.

And tonight, when YD starting being a bratty 16yo, I walked out of the
room and Chewy actually dealt with it!!!  When I came back into the
room later, he said I don't need to be dealing with that attitude and
that we'll work together to get through it.

Someone pick me up off the floor now, please.

'Night.

Kitten
 
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