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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 24 May 2006 05:44 GMT
YD has come to me about an issue she is having.  We're hoping it's a
depression issue and not something deeper.  She's 16yo, her 18yo bf
joined the Marines and is stationed in NC, she's continually upset with
and worried about OS18, *and* she decided today to call her bio-mom for
the first time in nearly a year (which actually went well).  The
kiddo's got reasons to feel depressed.

She doesn't want to discuss it with Chewy.  She asked me if we can go
to see our PA tomorrow to talk with him.  We just watched A Beautiful
Mind (at her request), and that's got her worrying.  She'd gone to get
ready for bed, and came back in here, crying, to sit next to me (with
Shadow on her lap) for a little bit.  When Chewy came through and asked
what was up, she didn't want to tell him, so we didn't.

If you were in the same situation, how much would you discuss with your
spouse, who happens to be the bio-parent?

TIA,

Kitten
Vicki Robinson - 24 May 2006 12:02 GMT
In a previous article, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> said:

>If you were in the same situation, how much would you discuss with your
>spouse, who happens to be the bio-parent?

When my step-daughter opened a conversation with me with "The first
time Xxxx hit Mommy..." I told her father right away.  My thinking was
that we had to be ready to start action to get the kids out of their
mother's home if she was living with a violent man.

This kind of thing I would keep quiet about, at least for a while.
Especially since Chewy seems to make things all about him; if you
shared this stuff with him, he'd start beating himself up about what a
terrible father he is, and that's not going to be productive for
anyone.

Is YD afraid that she's developing schizophrenia?

Vicki
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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 24 May 2006 12:53 GMT
<snipped>

> Is YD afraid that she's developing schizophrenia?

A bit.  I reminded her about Deanna's OS, whom my kids all know and
have spent time with in the past.  I reminded her that for him, it
turned out to be extreme depression and once he'd worked on the
depression, all the other symptoms went away.

When Chewy asked later, I simply told him she was worried about
everyone's mental health.  That's an easy one, since she and Chewy are
both actively dealing with depression with the help of our PA and OS is
still avoiding dealing with it.

We'll go in to see the PA this afternoon, after their science finals
are over.  She's worried enough that she's even covering the co-pay.
(We went to that to stop her wanting to go in every time she had a
little sniffle or muscle twinge.)

Anyhow, gotta get everyone up and moving.  We leave in about 45 minutes
to go to the co-op.  Back-to-back biology and chemistry finals today.

Kitten
rebecca - 24 May 2006 20:44 GMT
Kitten,

I've had this a number of times with my SS.  And I worried a lot about it.
What I generally say is that (a) I can't blanket promise not to tell his
father something, but that I'll tell him first if I feel it's something that
I have to discuss.  He's mostly okay with that.

With DH, I asked him what kinds of things it was okay for me to keep between
me and SS.  So I got a handle from DH on what he felt should immediately be
shared versus what I had more leeway to keep to myself.  My feeling being
that if I kept something from him that later came out, and he assumed it was
something I would have told him, we'd have more trouble later.

For the most part, he's been willing to trust my judgement.  But I've gotta
tell you, it makes me sometimes uncomfortable - the list of people that SS
spits out that "i can't tell" nearly always includes both parents and his
therapist.  That kind of situation can be just filled with political
shitstorms.

rebecca

> If you were in the same situation, how much would you discuss with your
> spouse, who happens to be the bio-parent?
>
> TIA,
>
> Kitten
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 25 May 2006 00:01 GMT
> Kitten,
>
> I've had this a number of times with my SS.  And I worried a lot about it.
> What I generally say is that (a) I can't blanket promise not to tell his
> father something, but that I'll tell him first if I feel it's something that
> I have to discuss.  He's mostly okay with that.

Thanks, Rebecca.  I'm going to post an update here.

We just got in from the PA's office.  After he'd gotten her giggling
and laughing and lightened up a bit, he told her that he's really not
comfortable dealing with this issue.  He's going to find someone to
whom to refer her tomorrow morning.  He said that even if he felt
qualified to deal with this issue, he'd have to refer her to someone
else because he's too close to our family.  (Small community, PA with a
great sense of humor for dealing with kiddos, etc.)  He told her that
any time she needs someone with whom to talk, to call him, no matter
the time.  I've got all his numbers in my cell phone, so that's an easy
matter.

She's feeling really insecure about having to go to a counselor or
psych.  It's got her really down.  She asked to get online for a bit, I
told her yes, and next thing I knew, she was sweeping and mopping the
front room.  Usually, I have to nearly threaten her to get her to sweep
and mop.  That's how badly it's bugging her.  <sigh>  At least she can
feel good about doing a good job out there.

With all these issues, it's no wonder I got to a point where I nearly
collapsed emotionally.  I'm getting a bit better, but I think I'm going
to see about cutting my dosages in half so that I can actually start
*functioning* again, instead of sleeping half the day.  I've got to get
back to where I can help my family through all this.

Kitten
Vicki Robinson - 25 May 2006 00:26 GMT
In a previous article, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> said:

>I've got to get
>back to where I can help my family through all this.

I just wonder why it's **always** you who needs to cut her needed meds
to rally to the call.  No one else is expected to put aside his issues
or needs or health.  Only you.

Vicki
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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 25 May 2006 00:36 GMT
> In a previous article, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids_gate_farm@yahoo.com> said:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to rally to the call.  No one else is expected to put aside his issues
> or needs or health.  Only you.

No, I need to cut the meds because I can't function at all if I'm
sleeping all the time.  It's a good thing I don't have a job outside
the house.  I'd be fired already.  Sunday I skipped church because of
my meds.  I took them at 8am and only woke up at noon because one of
the goat kids got out of the pasture (gotta figure out where); then
decided to go between the gate and the latch post to get into the front
yard; and got stuck halfway through.  Her crying her head off is what
woke me up.

Chewy's working hard to help me through this now.  Every time I start
feeling guilty about not getting much done, he tells me it's OK.  YD
and YS are doing better about helping out around the house.  I must
admit it actually helps they're working so much now, so I'm getting
some much-needed quiet around the house.

YD is usually scheduled for a day shift (9a-3p) on Mondays, then
evenings (3p-9p) on Thursdays and Fridays, then days (9a-3p) on
Saturdays.  YS is on a set schedule - open to close, Thursday-Saturday.
He's actually staying in town with TF Wednesday night through Sunday
morning, since they work until 11pm on Friday and Saturday.

My health issues may be largely due to helping them with all their
baggage for the past 7 years, but that doesn't mean I don't need to get
well so I can get back to the business of helping *them* get well.

I'm still planning to go to Mom's for a few weeks this summer.  YS will
be gone to his BF's for 8 weeks.  YD is looking at going to her BM's
for a week, *with* ground rules in place ahead of time.  That will
leave Chewy with at least one week all alone to sort himself out.

Kitten
rebecca - 27 May 2006 23:07 GMT
That will
> leave Chewy with at least one week all alone to sort himself out.
>
> Kitten

No offense intended, Kitten, but he's had a long time to sort himself out.
What's different now, that he's suddenly going to pull his head out?

And vis-a-vis Vicki's question, you do realize that your family will not
collapse into a sniveling heap if you don't actually do everything, right?
It might not work exactly the way it would if *you* were queen of the world,
but things will get done, people will eat and sleep and go to the doctor,
etc.   What would happen, do you think, if you actually admitted that you
need Chewy's help as much as he needs yours?  Are you afraid he'd let you
down?  Or that he'd suddenly realize you aren't perfect and stop loving you?

This was a huge issue in my first marriage, and I continue to have to work
at it in my current one.  People who refuse to change the rules and
boundaries of the relationship are sometimes afraid that the rules and
boundaries are what's making the relationship, rather than the feelings
between the two people.

rebecca
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 28 May 2006 00:45 GMT
> That will
> > leave Chewy with at least one week all alone to sort himself out.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No offense intended, Kitten, but he's had a long time to sort himself out.
> What's different now, that he's suddenly going to pull his head out?

A couple of things are different now, including the scare he had when
he realized how bad things have gotten for me.  He's been a *lot*
better lately, including putting spending time with just me as a
priority and realizing that he needs to work on spending family time
with the kids and me, instead of working himself to a frazzle.

> And vis-a-vis Vicki's question, you do realize that your family will not
> collapse into a sniveling heap if you don't actually do everything, right?

LOL... Now there's a picture.  No, they won't become a sniveling heap.

> It might not work exactly the way it would if *you* were queen of the world,
> but things will get done, people will eat and sleep and go to the doctor,
> etc.

Actually, they *don't* eat and they *don't* go to the doctor.  Except
for YS, that is.  When I'm not up to cooking, he's usually the one who
does.  YD would just go without instead, as OS has done quite often
since he moved out on his own.
<whine> "I haven't eaten for days!"  Well, did you buy any food with
your last paycheck?

<whine> "Nooo.  My whole paycheck went for bills."  Really?  How much
did you bring home in the last month?  How much were your bills?

<defensive mode> "I had $1,000.  I had to pay my rent and utilities."
OK, how much was that?

<more defensive mode> "My rent was $500."  OK, how much were your
utilities?

<extremely defensive mode> "About $150."  OK.  Did you buy any new
clothes?

<pout> "No."  Hmmm.. alright.  Did you buy any groceries?

<growl> "No."  Why not?

<frown> "I didn't have enough money to buy groceries."  Uhm, OK.  You
can come to the house for dinner.  Your dad would like to spend some
time with you.

<growl> "No!  I don't want to come to the farm!"  OK, fine.

> What would happen, do you think, if you actually admitted that you
> need Chewy's help as much as he needs yours?  Are you afraid he'd let you
> down?  Or that he'd suddenly realize you aren't perfect and stop loving you?

Actually, I've spent the last few years telling Chewy (and the kids)
that I need his (their) help.  It's taken this long for it to sink in
with them.  Chewy's working on it.  YD is angry because of it.  YS
helps, but he gets frustrated if he feels like he's the only one
helping.

And no, I'm not afraid Chewy will stop loving me.  :-)

> This was a huge issue in my first marriage, and I continue to have to work
> at it in my current one.  People who refuse to change the rules and
> boundaries of the relationship are sometimes afraid that the rules and
> boundaries are what's making the relationship, rather than the feelings
> between the two people.

The problems we've been having are *because* I've changed the rules and
the boundaries.  OS and YD don't like it and are rebelling.  It scared
Chewy.  It worries YS.

Gotta scoot.  As I was typing this, I got a call about another rescue.
Thankfully, I'm actually halfway functional since I cut my meds in
half, rather than sleeping most of the day away.

Cutting my meds was for me as much as for everyone else.  Drug-induced
sleep isn't the way to solve life's problems.  And it doesn't help me
relax, either.

Kitten
 
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