My boyfriend and I have been dating for over a year now and he is a
divorcee with two kids (3 and 7). We love each other very much, but
have had some problems. I really need some advice in what is normal
and not in regards to a relationship with his ex.
First, I should give you some background: They met while in high
school, and she became pregnant with their first child at that time (he
was 16, she was 18). They tried to do the right thing and married, and
were together for a total of 7 years (dating and married). There
relationship was somewhat rocky and on again off again from the start.
They were married for four years and had a second child, when she asked
for a divorce. Turns out that she cheated on him with two other men.
They tried counseling to move past that, but it did not work, so they
divorced.
About 8 months or so after they divorced we started dating. I was very
leery at first, as his divorce just seemed to new and was afraid he
just did not want to be single. I have always been uncomfortable with
his comfort level with his ex and what they would talk about. It just
seemed too friendly for me (i.e. they would talk almost every day about
anything and everything including relationships). The talking did
taper off over time, but still not to a level I was ever comfortable
with. Well a few months ago I discovered some emails that they
exchanged that were sexually inappropriate and I classify as cheating.
He swears up and down they were just emails, and nothing physical.
That I can believe since they do live several hours apart, and we spend
almost all of our free time together. However I still looked at it as
a betrayal. We decided to work things out, and have been trying very
hard. I however told him, that in order for this to work, the
relationship with his ex-wife needs to change. They would be
discussing issues that involve their divorce and kids, and not personal
matters. He agreed.
Therefore, I definitely have anger towards him, which we have addressed
and worked on, but I also have anger towards her. He has a hard time
understanding that, and always sticks up for her, stating "she is a
good person; she is always nice to me; and she has never done anything
to you." I see that she has. Don't get me wrong I think that 99.99%
of this is his fault, but I also feel that she hurt me as well. He
tells me he is now a 100% over her, and that maybe he wasn't when we
started dating. He states he has no desire to ever be with her again.
When I express my frustration to him, which is very rarely, he always
sticks up for her. He said that she doesn't deserve that and that he
will stick up for her since she is the mother of their kids. I NEVER
say anything about her as a mother, more that I think she hurt me and
does not have the highest moral values. He tells me that they are
friends, will always be, that they will never hate each other, and I
need to deal with that. I don't want them to hate each other, I just
don't want to feel like he is constantly sticking up to her and that
she is up on a pedestal because she is the mother of his children.
I guess is this normal (the being friends, sticking up for)? Is this
something I need to deal with? I am not for sure if I can handle
feeling like this much longer. I do feel very jealous of her. Are
these things that can be dealt with, with hard work, or are they
warning signs to get out?
Thank you for any advice.
Banty - 02 Aug 2006 17:45 GMT
>My boyfriend and I have been dating for over a year now and he is a
>divorcee with two kids (3 and 7). We love each other very much, but
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>Thank you for any advice.
I haven't snipped anything.
I want you to read this again. Yes, though you wrote it.
But I'll break it down for you anyway.
1. You're boyfriend/girlfriend at this point.
2. You've been seeing each one year.
3. You started dating 8 months after his divorce.
4. He persists in talking often with his ex, and sometimes in a sexual manner
and furthermore speaks considers her interests over yours.
You're asking the wrong question as how to fix this. Let me give you a test you
need to take. It will take, oh, 4 seconds to take, only one little question,
maybe a week or so on a long drive to a vacation alone somewhere to really
understand.
Question 1. Should I continue to date this man, yes or no? ____
+10 Life-points** for the right answer.
-1500 Life-points** for the wrong answer.
This is an easy one. Just takes stepping back mentally about 50 yards and
looking at the sitaution. Maybe after having taken that week away.
Cheers,
Banty
** Life-points - a measure of the likely effect on your life and future attached
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Banty - 03 Aug 2006 17:19 GMT
Think I scared her away...
Banty

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KyLynn - 15 Aug 2006 00:58 GMT
>I haven't snipped anything.
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>** Life-points - a measure of the likely effect on your life and future attached
>to your decisions.
If I were you, I would not stick around - the only reason I
put up with it in my DH when we first got together (I will admit, it
was way before - by close to 2 years - before his divorce was final)
was that he was the victim of his x's emotional and verbal abuse. And
then I did all I could to show him what a *real* relationship looked
like. I will be honest with you - if he had not started making
progress within the first 4 - 6 months, I would have backed out.
Fortunately for both of us, he started to realize just how much he had
been a victim fairly quickly (with the help of couseling too of
course).
In short, I would start packing. I don't know how else to put
it.
KyLynn

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I try to take it one day at a time . . . but sometimes several days
attack me at once!
Pat S - 04 Aug 2006 00:09 GMT
** I have always been uncomfortable with his comfort level with his ex and
what they would talk about. It just seemed too friendly for me (i.e. they
would talk almost every day about anything and everything including
relationships).
** I discovered some emails that they exchanged that were sexually
inappropriate and I classify as cheating.
** but I also have anger towards her. He has a hard time understanding
that, and always sticks up for her, stating "she is a good person; she is
always nice to me; and she has never done anything to you."
** He said that she doesn't deserve that and that he
will stick up for her since she is the mother of their kids.
**He tells me that they are friends, will always be, that they will never
hate each other, and I need to deal with that.
** she is up on a pedestal because she is the mother of his children.
WOW. Take a look at what I quoted above. Do you see what I see? I see a
woman (you) who is in a bad place right now and does not have the support of
her boyfriend either.
Honestly, I don't think this is going to change and you are going to have to
either like it or lump it. Accept it or move on. I have to tell you, being
a step parent is hard enough without all the other stuff that you have going
on!!!!!!
Would I stay in your situation?? NO WAY!!!
Pat S
rebecca - 05 Aug 2006 04:12 GMT
> My boyfriend and I have been dating for over a year now and he is a
> divorcee with two kids (3 and 7). We love each other very much, but
> have had some problems. I really need some advice in what is normal
> and not in regards to a relationship with his ex.
Well, there's all kinds of normal.
But your boyfriend is clearly still sexually and emotionally attached to his
ex, and for me, that would be an insurmountable issue.
rebecca
angelintheair04@gmail.com - 15 Aug 2006 16:13 GMT
Bucky12
I was where you are. My husband now was always talking to his ex wife.
They had 15 years together he always stood up for her. She was
abusive to the kids and him so i couldnt understand why. He said they
were just friends. One day i was reading his yahoo messenger and he
was talking sexual to her. I blew up and i mean BLEW UP. I couldnt
take it any more him sticking up for her and talking that way to her.
I told him its me or her. Which one you want?! They were talking
personal all the time up until about a month ago. I told him i dont
mind if they talk but it has to be about the kids and only the kids.
IF i ever find out differnt i am out of here because i am not coming
second to her. I know it is somewhat different because i am married to
him and your not but your story sounds so much like mine. Thought i
was reading my own life. Sorry jumping all over the place. But
anyways, a month ago it all changed. I packed my things and had it
sitting on the bed when he got home from work. Told him i am done i am
not second anymore. He started to cry when he knew i was serious. We
sat down and talked and guess what he dont talk to her anymore except
about the kids. Just came out and told him there is a reason why she
is the ex and there is a reason why you are with me now. So its your
choice. She told him a few days ago "its hard for me to call you
anymore when you are remarried and happy without me". It might take
her to see he is happy for her to back off. His ex wife is not allowed
at my home anymore. When she comes to get the kids she has to be in
her car and not come into my house. Since that day that all this came
down she hasnt seen her kids. I hope some of this helps you. Just
talk to him and go to couseling to see if you can work on this and if
you cant then i hate to say it but get out of it.
Pamela
> My boyfriend and I have been dating for over a year now and he is a
> divorcee with two kids (3 and 7). We love each other very much, but
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> Thank you for any advice.