Hi everyone. I'm hoping for some objective advice.
My ex and I separated a few years back and we share a 5 year-old boy.
We spend a lot of time working on making sure he's ok and that we don't
stress him with whatever disagreements we have. As a result he's a
happy little boy and we all get on well.
A couple of years ago I started going out with someone new and after a
while she moved in with me. We are getting married at the end of this
year.
But recently, I've become aware that she and my boy don't have much of
a relationship. She hides herself away when he's over and makes only
occasional efforts.
I should say that she says she's keen to forge a relationship, but
doesn't seem very comfortable around him. What makes it worse (for me)
is that she doesn't really like talking about it.
What I'm hoping will happen is that we get married, have a kid or two
between us, and when she is a mum and 'gets' what it is to be a child
and where the responsibility lies, she'll warm to him.
What frightens me is that she will freeze him out and become the
cartoonish archetypal stem-mother.
Our wedding looms but I have this real worry. Can anyone out there
offer advice?
Morgan
Kathleen - 25 Sep 2006 11:01 GMT
> What I'm hoping will happen is that we get married, have a kid or two
> between us, and when she is a mum and 'gets' what it is to be a child
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> Morgan
No advice, just wondering what if she never developes a relationship with
him? What if he is always the "visiter", the outsider to your home and your
new family? How can you move ahead with plans to marriage at this point and
"hope that things will work out"? Just curious.
With hope and heart,
Kathleen
morganuk - 25 Sep 2006 11:25 GMT
> No advice, just wondering what if she never developes a relationship with
> him? What if he is always the "visiter", the outsider to your home and your
> new family? How can you move ahead with plans to marriage at this point and
> "hope that things will work out"? Just curious.
I know. The problem is there's never a moment in a relationship when
you can say "Great! That's perfect. Don't change a thing." It's always
moving. So it's unrealistic to wait for the big green light in the sky
to say now is the right time.
I think where my head is at right now is that she *wants* to make this
work, but doesn't know how to do it. And that makes her pull back a
little. This is a problem, but not a killer. Marriages have
difficulties and this is one of the setbacks we'll have to deal with.
'What doesn't kill us', and all that...
Kathleen - 25 Sep 2006 11:45 GMT
> > No advice, just wondering what if she never developes a relationship with
> > him? What if he is always the "visiter", the outsider to your home and your
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> moving. So it's unrealistic to wait for the big green light in the sky
> to say now is the right time.
I understand that - but the fact that you can't talk about it with her sends
up a huge red flag to me. You can't really help facilitate a relationship
between the two if you don't understand or have some idea why she is not
comfortable.
> I think where my head is at right now is that she *wants* to make this
> work, but doesn't know how to do it. And that makes her pull back a
> little. This is a problem, but not a killer. Marriages have
> difficulties and this is one of the setbacks we'll have to deal with.
> 'What doesn't kill us', and all that...
Do you all spend time together? Do fun things together? Is there anything
that she loves that your kiddo might love too, something new they could do
together? I understand it being awkward for your fiance. The thing is,
there could be many different reasons that she pulls back. Your course of
action would be different depending on why she hesitates.
So often our kids end up being one of the difficulties of a new marriage.
I'm not picking on you... or judging you... just throwing in an opinion.
The archives here are full of step-parents having problems with their
step-kids. Having a child of our own does often not make things smoother
for the one that already exists. OTOH, kids are resiliant. Another things
is that your son is young, and you should be well blended by the time he is
a teenager. For us it really helped that our family was solid by the time
ours hit the teenage years.
Oh, and take what you can use here and leave the rest. :-)
With hope and heart,
Kathleen
heather m. - 26 Sep 2006 03:08 GMT
I would get counseling before you get married and certainly before you bring
ANY more children into the picture. Seriously.
Do you want to marry someone that is unwilling to talk over problems and
dilemmas that come up?
Heather
> Hi everyone. I'm hoping for some objective advice.
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> Morgan
Amy Lou - 26 Sep 2006 08:40 GMT
> What I'm hoping will happen is that we get married, have a kid or two
> between us, and when she is a mum and 'gets' what it is to be a child
> and where the responsibility lies, she'll warm to him.
What is it that you really expect from her? Do you want her to love your
child? Do you want her to want to spend time with your child? Are you sure
your expectations are realistic?
> What frightens me is that she will freeze him out and become the
> cartoonish archetypal stem-mother.
Fear is a big thing when it comes to making decisions, isn't it?
I agree with the others that it is important to be able to discuss things
with your future spouse. Is there a chance you are making your fiancee feel
blamed and this is why she doesn't want to discuss it? Can you get her to
see this problem as yours, not hers? I mean discuss how you fear things will
turn out without making her feel you are judging her. Own the problem and
seek out her assistance in fixing things so you feel safer, less worried
etc. In my experience it is easier to respond to someone who wants to
discuss stuff if it is started in the "I have a problem, can you help me?"
way.
Make sense?
Amy
-Calliope- - 26 Sep 2006 12:15 GMT
> What frightens me is that she will freeze him out and become the
> cartoonish archetypal stem-mother.
Can you explain what you mean here? I don't know that I understand what
you mean by this.

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Vicki Robinson - 26 Sep 2006 12:41 GMT
In a previous article, "-Calliope-" <calliope123remove@removegmail.com> said:
>> What frightens me is that she will freeze him out and become the
>> cartoonish archetypal stem-mother.
>
>Can you explain what you mean here? I don't know that I understand what
>you mean by this.
Think Cinderella. The Wicked Step Mother of all the fairy stories.
The stepmother who hates/dislikes her stepchild and favors her own
biokids over the stepchild at every turn.
Vicki

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-Calliope- - 27 Sep 2006 00:01 GMT
>>> What frightens me is that she will freeze him out and become the
>>> cartoonish archetypal stem-mother.
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> The stepmother who hates/dislikes her stepchild and favors her own
> biokids over the stepchild at every turn.
I guess I'm at a loss as to why a parent would willingly and knowingly
subject their child to something like that, so I was unsure if that was
what was meant.

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Vicki Robinson - 27 Sep 2006 00:44 GMT
In a previous article, "-Calliope-" <calliope123remove@removegmail.com> said:
>> Think Cinderella. The Wicked Step Mother of all the fairy stories.
>> The stepmother who hates/dislikes her stepchild and favors her own
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>subject their child to something like that, so I was unsure if that was
>what was meant.
Well, to be fair, the reason he's posting here is that he fears this
outcome, so "willingly and knowingly" is kind of mis-stating his
intentions. He's looking for a way to avoid it, so characterizing his
actions this way is kind of aggressive.
However. He's looking for a way to change his SO, and that's nearly
always a lost cause.
To the original poster, all you can do is to encourage your SO to get
involved with your child. If she still pulls away, having a child
with her will only make things ten times worse. And that's not
aggressive, it's just the truth. The birth of a child is a major
stressor even for couples who are unconflicted. If your SO is
standoffish with your child, after she has her own it's likely that
she'll become actively resentful of your child's presence. I don't
know, it's hormones or something, but if she doesn't have a bond with
her stepchild, it's likely to be even worse if she has her own
biochild.
You can't change your SO. You can help her in her efforts to get
closer to your child, but if she isn't putting forth the effort, then
this relationship is better off finished. And I'm speaking as a woman
who gave up a relationship that was otherwise very very good for
almost exactly the same reason. I know what I'm telling you to give
up. But looking back, oh, Lord... It was SO the right thing to do.
Vicki

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birdy1 - 26 Sep 2006 18:52 GMT
I am a step mother of 2 and I was in the same situation as your fiance.
I would sit down with her and tell her your concerns about her
feelings towards your son. It does not get better by itself, it only
gets harder. Having more children with her could even make it worse if
you do not deal with it up front. I know that too, we had a baby last
year and it has actually made things more difficult.
If she is not willing to work on a relationship with your son, then
maybe she is not the right woman for you. Your son should be your
primary focus. Don't forget, he did not ask to be put in this
situation. I think she can work on building a relationship with him
but it is something she is going to have to focus on. I would reccomend
her spending some one on one time with him to learn more about him and
the person he is becoming. Find out what his interests are and see if
she can incorporate herself into his life a bit to help build some kind
of bond.
Good luck
> Hi everyone. I'm hoping for some objective advice.
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> Morgan
Karen Brooks - 28 Sep 2006 10:25 GMT
wow thats kind of strange. I will tell you how I handled a situation
with any boyfriend who had children. I always was very careful to not
force myself on his children and be overly doting on them when they
didnt even know me. I never wanted the children to feel that they might
lose some of their dads time to me. So I was polite and smiled alot and
let the children accept me on their own time, I never pushed myself on
them, nor did I get upset if they were slow to getting used to me. I
respected their boundries and I tried to put myself in their shoes and
realize it is their daddy and of course they would be a little unsure.
If his children were speaking to him, I wouldnt barge into the
conversation, I would just sit and eventually they started talking to me
and saying hi and then we were pals and I loved them like my own
children. I think all children should be just as important as your own.
I also think it is good to be available to them anytime they want to
talk and they love it when someone take the time to listen, really
listen. I think listening to children is so very important because
everyones feelings are valid. I think your a great father to not let
your son see any arguments or disagreements between you and his real
mom. I think the children should never hear bad things about their
parents from either one of them because it is so unhealthy for them and
causes them worries that a child should never have to go threw. Its
hard enough and the more you and his mom keep handling things privately
between you to the better off he will be. I split with my sons father
when he was four and even though he put me threw some trying times, I
never allowed my son to hear any bad or negative remarks made about him.
His dad he loved as much as me and I never wanted to destroy that ever.
He is thirty two now and he wrote me a letter once when I was away and
in that letter he said, Mom you did the best you could as a child
raising a child, you always taught me right from wrong and you always
taught me to embrace my feelings and I love you for that. I cried
when I read that and he has grown into a wonderful adult. He is awesome
and he has a little of both of us in him . Keep up the good work and
as far as your future bride I dont think it sounds very good, it sounds
like she is jealous of your time with him, that is not the best start
espescially if she is planning a life with you because he is your life.
It seems by now she should be having a wonderful relationship with him
if your getting married. I think I would have a heart to heart talk
with her and tell her how you feel and find out how she reacts and what
she says. whatever you do you better do it quick. good luck, thats
just my opinion but I am no one to judge