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ed.spain@gmail.com - 26 Oct 2006 10:51 GMT
Hi Everyone,

I'm a divorced Dad who has always been very involved with my 2 great
kids (8 and 4). I've been living away from my kids (not my choice)
since spring 2005 and am since divorced. My ex has custody (standard in
Spain). My ex and I have kept the good of the kids in mind during all
the whole process of separation and divorce, and I still go to the
house that the ex and I own every weekday to get the up and to school
(since ex starts work very early) and have them at my place for a long
lunch every day, plus every other weekend, etc.

After the separation, I started a relationship with a great widow, C,
who's husband passed away a few years ago. She has 2 kids (13 and 8).
We moved in together at the start of the school year, and just moved
into a new house together a few weeks ago.

C's kids are typically Spanish - very loud, impolite (from an American
point of view - at a guess kind of what US kids would seem like to
Japanese parents), and they are also very high energy. After their Dad
died, they of course were spoiled to death by everyone, and C is not
much in the discipline department (although GREAT in the love and
organization department), and they are now good hearted kids and very
hard working and self sufficient. BUT, they are also... spoiled. I
recognized that before we moved in, and really thought that a good dose
of discipline was exactly what THEY needed.

Well, we're two months into living together, and I've already had two
days this week where I felt really bummed about how things are working
out. Part of it is trying to get them under control. I try talking,
hugs, support, encouragement, but also call them when they are doing
things wrong. For them, I understand it's tough - they moved away from
their town to come to mine, have to adjust to new schools and new
friends, and they are now being discipled at home. We've had continuous
run ins, and it's wearing me down.

Also, although the kids have always pretty much gotten along together
before, moving to the new house seems to have disturbed the balance.
E.g. they share rooms (we have a room for the boys, one for the girls,
and one for us old folk), and I've heard from both of mine that they
were told by their "roommates" that the room belonged to THEM (C's
kids) in no uncertain terms. There are fights over the computers, the
play stations, the toys, the books, the TV... in short, they are all in
"power grab" mode.

Also, before C and I moved in together, lunch time was me making a
quick, healthy lunch and then spending time with the kids (leaving the
plates for at night). I now am making lunch for 4 kids, one of whom
arrives later, and cleanup has to be done directly so that the kitchen
is clean when C arrives, and the whole process now takes up almost all
of the long (1PM - 3 PM) lunch. I feel disconnected from my kids.

Please let me hear from people who successfully made this kind of
switch - what can I do to make the process better?!?!?

Thanks,
Ed
-Calliope- - 26 Oct 2006 12:35 GMT
On Thu 26 Oct 2006 05:51:07a,  wrote:

> Please let me hear from people who successfully made this kind of
> switch - what can I do to make the process better?!?!?

Hey Ed.. not sure if you remember me from ASD or not, but I just wanted to
say hi again.. welcome to ASSP.. I can't help much with any of your
issues, cuz I've not had to deal with any of the blending of families..
SO's kids are adults, as are mine now.. (eek!)

This group is a wonderful group for making you think.. I'm sure you'll get
some good advice.

On the dicipline thing.. is C on board with you being the disciplinarian
of her two kids?  

And why do the dishes NEED to be completely cleared up before C comes
home?  Is there room for compromise there, so you can have some time with
the kids back?  

And try to remember studies have shown it takes approx. 7 years for a
blended family to fully adjust so consider this a marathon, not a sprint.

Good luck.
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ed.spain@gmail.com - 27 Oct 2006 09:16 GMT
Hi Calliope,

> Hey Ed.. not sure if you remember me from ASD or not, but I just wanted to
> say hi again.. welcome to ASSP.. I can't help much with any of your
> issues, cuz I've not had to deal with any of the blending of families..
> SO's kids are adults, as are mine now.. (eek!)

Thanks for the welcome, and let me tell you, you missed a real
experience by not having to deal with blended families ;->

> On the dicipline thing.. is C on board with you being the disciplinarian
> of her two kids?

On the whole, very much so. There are, of course, disagreements on
issues, tactics, etc., but she's 100% behind me. She loves how I
discipline my kids, and how they turned out.

> And why do the dishes NEED to be completely cleared up before C comes
> home?  Is there room for compromise there, so you can have some time with
> the kids back?

A couple of reasons. One is that when she gets home from work, the kids
have constant activities, sports bags to prepare, lots of time with the
8 year old for homework, I don't get home till 8 PM (since I have kids
morning and lunchtime), and from 8 PM on we're running to get things
done and ready for the next day. The other reason is that C is a neat
freak, and I know if I leave the plates, she'll sweat blood to make
sure they are clean ASAP.

> And try to remember studies have shown it takes approx. 7 years for a
> blended family to fully adjust so consider this a marathon, not a sprint.

That I can image, but where did you get that statistic? Perhaps I need
to do more studies on the web...

> Good luck.

I need it!

Thanks,
Ed
PattyMomVA - 27 Oct 2006 14:53 GMT
<ed.spain@gmail.com> wrote and I snipped:
>> And why do the dishes NEED to be completely cleared up before C comes
>> home?  Is there room for compromise there, so you can have some time with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> freak, and I know if I leave the plates, she'll sweat blood to make
> sure they are clean ASAP.

Paper (disposable) plates for weekday lunches?  They might be worth it in
this situation.

-Patty, mom of 1+2
ed.spain@gmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 15:50 GMT
Hi PattyMomVA,

>Paper (disposable) plates for weekday lunches?  They might be
>worth it in this situation.

hahaha, you have a point there ;-> It hurts my green-loving morals to
think about it, but there are other things more important.

Thanks,
Ed
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 27 Oct 2006 19:25 GMT
<snipped>

> On the whole, very much so. There are, of course, disagreements on
> issues, tactics, etc., but she's 100% behind me. She loves how I
> discipline my kids, and how they turned out.

Aren't your kids younger than hers?

<snipped>

> > And try to remember studies have shown it takes approx. 7 years for a
> > blended family to fully adjust so consider this a marathon, not a sprint.
>
> That I can image, but where did you get that statistic? Perhaps I need
> to do more studies on the web...

We're in year 7, and we still run into issues.  Currently, we're in the
middle of one.  It's hard to tell how much of it's a blended family
issue, how much of it is simply a teenager issue, how much of it is
frustration at my husband not backing me (once again!!!) when YD goes
into a mood to get disrespectful and disobedient, and how much of it is
an "I'm frustrated as hell at being the one to have to bend all the
time, it's THEIR turn!" issue.  Of course, my husband's take on it is,
"The two of you need to work it out."  :-/

However, there are far, far fewer issues now than there were 7 years
ago.  You and your wife will need to continually touch base to make
sure you're on the same page.  You can be totally and completely
working together one minute and on opposite ends of the spectrum the
next, without warning.  It takes lots of good communication skills,
which you will need to develop and improve as you go along, and as
things change.

And things *will* change.  As the kids get older, new issues will
continually develop.  C'est la vie.

Kitten

> > Good luck.
>
> I need it!
>
> Thanks,
> Ed
ed.spain@gmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 15:54 GMT
Hi Caitriona,

>Aren't your kids younger than hers?

Yep, but my kids are VERY well behaved, even by US standards. By
Spanish standards, they blow people away. They're not saints, by any
means, but they are great kids.

>We're in year 7, and we still run into issues.

Thanks for giving me hope! hahahaha ;->

>Currently, we're in the
> middle of one.  It's hard to tell how much of it's a blended family
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> time, it's THEIR turn!" issue.  Of course, my husband's take on it is,
> "The two of you need to work it out."  :-/

That sounds tough! At least I have my SO's backing...

> However, there are far, far fewer issues now than there were 7 years
> ago.  You and your wife will need to continually touch base to make
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> which you will need to develop and improve as you go along, and as
> things change.

We do our best - let's hope we keep going in the right direction.

> And things *will* change.  As the kids get older, new issues will
> continually develop.  C'est la vie.

No doubt.

Thanks,
Ed
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 29 Oct 2006 02:07 GMT
> Hi Caitriona,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Spanish standards, they blow people away. They're not saints, by any
> means, but they are great kids.

Are you seriously telling me there are kids on the planet worse than US
kids???  <eyes wide>

OK, I'm only half kidding.  There are a lot of really good kids here,
but there are also some really bad ones.  It can be challenging to keep
one's kids out of the influence of the bad ones.  We've been less
successful with one of ours than we have with the other three (+ 1).

(Explanation of that count:  We have my husband's 3 (OD26, OS18, &
YD17), my 1 (YS16), plus "The Friend who came to spend the night and
stayed a year-and-a-half," aka TF19, who apparently is now engaged to
YD.)

(Explanation of the one we weren't so successful with:  YD just
commented, "I can't believe my older brother is a mall rat!")

> >We're in year 7, and we still run into issues.
>
> Thanks for giving me hope! hahahaha ;->

LOL... I love my family, and most of the time, we work really well
together.  And then there are those days...

> >Currently, we're in the
> > middle of one.  It's hard to tell how much of it's a blended family
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> That sounds tough! At least I have my SO's backing...

I have Chewy's backing more now than I used to.  But he is still
learning.  This is his 5th (and only successful) marriage.  According
to him, it's my fault things are working so well for us.  According to
me, it's all God's doing.

> > However, there are far, far fewer issues now than there were 7 years
> > ago.  You and your wife will need to continually touch base to make
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> We do our best - let's hope we keep going in the right direction.

It's hard work, but worth it, IMO.

> > And things *will* change.  As the kids get older, new issues will
> > continually develop.  C'est la vie.
>
> No doubt.
>
> Thanks,

:-)  Any time.

Kitten, who's doing slightly better today, thanks to a heart-to-heart
with Chewy this afternoon
ed.spain@gmail.com - 31 Oct 2006 16:22 GMT
Hola Kitten,

> Are you seriously telling me there are kids on the planet worse than US
> kids???  <eyes wide>

Maybe I described it wrong... what a lot of the things are are simply
cultural things. E.g. in Spain please and thank you are not that often
used here. Of course your Mom is going to get you a glass of water, no
need to say please (or even "could you..." - just sticking the empty
glass up in the air and grunting is good enough), and no offense taken
if you don't.

As an American, I expect these things, and also think it's very good
even for Spanish kids to learn since they will be in an international
atmosphere (visiting other countries, and getting visitors from other
countries).

However, in Germany when I lived there, I was the odd one out. They
have a "thee thou" type thing there in addition to the usual "you" and,
if you don't use it when expected, people get very upset. I once got
holy heck from a customer that I talked to when I used "you" instead of
calling him "thou" and "Herr Doktor". I was laughing about it as I got
off the phone, and my office mate (a good buddy of mine) said that I
was the idiot in the situation - that you just don't do that there.

My kids have good American manners - my "new" kids have average Spanish
manners. ...and the difference for me is huge.

Ed
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 31 Oct 2006 16:45 GMT
> Hola Kitten,

:-)  Hola.

> > Are you seriously telling me there are kids on the planet worse than US
> > kids???  <eyes wide>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> My kids have good American manners - my "new" kids have average Spanish
> manners. ...and the difference for me is huge.

LOL... I used to work with exchange students coming to the US from
various places.  You're right that there are tremendous differences in
manners.  But I'd always thought that the Spanish were supposed to have
*better* manners than Americans.

Even here in the states, there are huge cultural differences.  I grew
up in the South, where "Yes, Ma'am," "Yes, Sir," "No, Ma'am," and "No,
Sir" were *requirements* in childrearing.  My husband grew up in
Wisconsin, and not only did he not teach OS and YD those things, but he
got flat out *angry* when YS used the manners I'd taught him.

Chewy's changed his opinion on those mannerisms since then.  He really
appreciates them now, but that's after several years of difficulty and
confusion for the kids.  He's at a point where if we ever had a baby of
our own (only if God Himself arranges it!), the manners will be a vital
part of the upbringing.

When I lived in Arkansas, I was always impressed by Texas manners.  Now
that I'm in Texas, I'm impressed by Mexican manners.  Each region is
different.

Kitten
-Calliope- - 27 Oct 2006 23:55 GMT
On Fri 27 Oct 2006 04:16:39a,  wrote:

>> And try to remember studies have shown it takes approx. 7 years for a
>> blended family to fully adjust so consider this a marathon, not a
>> sprint.
>
> That I can image, but where did you get that statistic? Perhaps I need
> to do more studies on the web...

Okay Ed.. I just spent a good amount of time googling to find that
statistic, and I found I had the "average" number of years incorrect..
it's closer to four, if you read up on the research that is out there.

From the National Stepfamily Resource Center under the "Stepfamily Myths:

       Myth #4 - Adjustment to stepfamily life occurs quickly

       People are optimistic and hopeful when they remarry [substitute    
    cohabitate, in your case, Ed] They want life to settle down and to    
    get on with being happy. If your hope or expectation is that once the    
    wedding vows are spoken life will return to normal (whatever that    
    is), you are going to be disappointed.

       Because stepfamilies are such complicated families, the time it takes    
    for people to get to know each other, to create positive    
    relationships, and to develop some family history is significant,    
    usually at least four years.

Anyway.. there is such an incredible amount of information out there..
below are the search results from particular keyword searches to get you
started.  

Here is the full link for this website:

http://www.stepfamilies.info/index.php

Here are the searches I used:

Key word "Blended Families"

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z23E42E0E

Key word: "Step Families"

http://makeashorterlink.com/?D14E23E0E

Key word: "Step parents"

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I35E12E0E

Also, over on alt.support.marriage (which you should maybe consider moving
towards now that you're in a committed relationship.. there are a LOT of
ASD people who either post in both or have moved to ASM from ASD)..
anyway.. one website that is often recommended is called
www.marriagebuilders.com  This website has a little bit about blended
families here:

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5008_qa.html

Also, while doing this search for you today (to distract myself, quite
honestly, so thank you!)...  I also read something that made a lot of
sense:  

We shouldn't call these families 'blended families'.. the blender chops
things up quickly with sharp objects.  Instead we should think of these
families as being tossed into a crockpot and simmered with a very low heat
for a long time, till it's just right :-)

Good luck to you, C & all four kids.  And welcome to ASSP!  (And in case
you don't remember me from ASD.. was a regular there for about 4 1/2 to 5
years or so starting in mid-2000.  Been lurking ever since so I have
followed your progress, so to speak.  :-)
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Cal~

calliope 123 at gmail dot com

ed.spain@gmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 16:47 GMT
Hi Calliope,

Wow! Thanks for all the info! I'm too rushed to have done it yet (and
still waiting for Internet at home, which slows things down). I'll
bookmark this and start reading when I finally have a line at home.

I think I'll have stepfamilies very much in mind for the near future,
so I'm sure I'll devour all of it.

Thanks again!
Ed
-Calliope- - 31 Oct 2006 00:19 GMT
On Sat 28 Oct 2006 11:47:37a,  wrote:

> Thanks again!
> Ed

You're welcome, Ed.  I hope you find it useful information and I was happy
for the distraction so it could possibly be a win/win situation :-)
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Cal~

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Temily - 27 Oct 2006 02:35 GMT
> Please let me hear from people who successfully made this kind of
> switch - what can I do to make the process better?!?!?

Hi Ed,

I can't say i totally understand your situation because my kids and my
husbands kids have now all left home and i've never lived with them all
together, but your situation sounds so much like my husband's situation
when he was married to his 2nd wife..and i'm sure if he had time to
come in here and empathise with you, he would.

He had a son and a daughter and his 2nd wife had a son and a daughter
and they all attempted to blend but my DH said it was very difficult
because, like  you, he was a disciplinarian and his ex wife
wasn't...but he has said some of the things he learned was..although he
was a parent to his step children he was also aware he was their
step-dad and never overstepped there..he said the primary discipline
had to be up to the natural parent, always. I don't know what happened
if the natural parent wasn't there at the time but i guess he meant if
both parents were there and a child needed disciplining it'd be up to
the natural parent.

I think your situation would be a bit different tho because they now
don't have any other dad so you're it. Hard call, i know my kids father
is now living with a new wife (widow) and she has a son and he is the
father figure in that situation now and my kids always felt he was
really spoiled as well. Maybe there is some compensation for the
feeling that their dad has died and they need extra or something, not
sure.

But as far as settling into all this...well it'll take time. I'd say
give it a year before making any decisions or anything...but i can say
one thing, it's pretty normal for kids all living together to fight.
It's sibling rivalry and it will continue to exist however you manage
it. You may be able to curb it but not stop it.

When my DH and his ex wife separated...her kids never wanted to talk to
my DH again..and the boy was only 18months old when he became my DH's
step-son and even used to call him "Dad" (at his mother's request).
They were so angry that he left them (she was manic depressive and
created chaos just once too many times so he left because he felt he
just couldn't lilve like that anymore) and they were loyal to their mum
as well, so all connections were severed.

My DH's kids now still see their step brother and sister tho...so
they've always had a close connection even though they used to fight
like cat and dogs apparently, when they were all kids.

I don't know if any of that helps, probably not, but i'd say living
with four kids, whether they're your own or not, would be chaotic under
any circumstances!  You have to weather it, if you want the
relationship with their mother to be long term.

Oh, one consolation is..they do eventually leave home!

(And then...you miss them like crazy!!! :o)

Temily
ed.spain@gmail.com - 27 Oct 2006 09:34 GMT
Hi Temily,

> my kids always felt he was
> really spoiled as well. Maybe there is some compensation for the
> feeling that their dad has died and they need extra or something, not
> sure.

At a guess, it's a combination of that and additionally the fact that
everyone around the kids overcompensates and gives them everything that
they want.

> But as far as settling into all this...well it'll take time. I'd say
> give it a year before making any decisions or anything...but i can say
> one thing, it's pretty normal for kids all living together to fight.
> It's sibling rivalry and it will continue to exist however you manage
> it. You may be able to curb it but not stop it.

Yea, a year was what I was thinking. I'm not panicking yet - just
complaining ;-> Also we had a wedding until late Sunday night, which
means we've all been a bit sleep deprived this week - always a problem.

> When my DH and his ex wife separated...her kids never wanted to talk to
> my DH again..and the boy was only 18months old when he became my DH's
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> just couldn't lilve like that anymore) and they were loyal to their mum
> as well, so all connections were severed.

That really stinks!!! Your DH must have been crushed. How long was he
"Dad" for them?

> My DH's kids now still see their step brother and sister tho...so
> they've always had a close connection even though they used to fight
> like cat and dogs apparently, when they were all kids.

Thanks! Something to hope for. They are all really good kids, and they
ARE friends, but a deeper bond would be great.

> I don't know if any of that helps, probably not, but i'd say living
> with four kids, whether they're your own or not, would be chaotic under
> any circumstances!  You have to weather it, if you want the
> relationship with their mother to be long term.

Yea, I do want the long term, and I'm weathering the best I can ;->

> Oh, one consolation is..they do eventually leave home!

> (And then...you miss them like crazy!!! :o)

I already have experience - my first months after separation what I
wasn't with the kids at night was pure hell.

Thanks,
Ed
Temily - 28 Oct 2006 08:07 GMT
> That really stinks!!! Your DH must have been crushed. How long was he
> "Dad" for them?

He was their Dad for 10 years, all living together because he was the
custodial father (his first wife, mother of the kids, took off with his
best friend!) but they were together before they all started living
together so it's probably longer than that..i think the youngest boy
was about 18 months and still in nappies when he met him and about 14
when he left. The girl was a couple of years older.

He says now he's justified it in his own mind...because at first when
he left, he sent flowers to his step-daugher for her birthday and her
mother took it as him trying to look favourable in their eyes and
competing for their affections and she thought he'd try and get custody
etc (which he wouldn't have as he already had his own kids to worry
about!)

Anyway...she took it to court. He didn't want to be going through court
for every thing he did..so he just left things be, and their mother got
what she wished. Total severance.

They're all adults now and DH thinks about them, especially when his
kids talk about them and their 'milestones' like when the boy turned18
and the girl turned 21. DH's kids were invited to share it with them
which is good. They don't see their mother because she is totally
irrational apparently. (It is funny listening to his kids talk about
her but i don't make any judgements, just listen..)

I guess it solves a lot of problems because they don't have
contact..but i do wonder sometimes what will happen when my DH's kids
get married....there'll be quite a mix of family and ex family and step
family there............

If i were them, i'd elope i think!

Anway Ed, it's good that you'll at least give it all a year, you do
sound like you know what you want and are willing to put in the
work...but whatever happens..and what the outcome is....even after a
short time, life is never the same after we do commit to someone and
their family..it invariably changes us and them, whether for the good
or worse.

Temily
ed.spain@gmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 16:50 GMT
Hi Temily,

Running out of the office now (just had to put out some quick fires,
and C is at home with two - me with one, and the other at a bday
party), but C and I were talking about your Husband's case this morning
while coming back from the soccer game - I'm sure it will be
conversation this afternoon, too ;->

Thanks!
Ed
 
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