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lilblakdog - 12 May 2007 16:59 GMT
Hey all,

For anybody who only came on here in the last few years, you won't know me -
I used to be a stepmother.  SS was three when I came into the picture.  I
never thought I'd see the day when that relationship was comparatively easy.

I'm in love with a single father of four grown daughters.  His wife died
several years ago, and they hate everybody he's ever tried to date.  Like,
really violently hated - not just quietly seethed, the way I do with my
mother's boyfriend.  He's already told me that there's no way to sugar-coat
it - they're going to be horrible.  He's said that although he couldn't
stand to lose me, he thinks it would be easier on me if I found Prince
Charming elsewhere.  I happen to think he's wonderful, and I'm not going
anywhere just yet.

I haven't met the daughters, nor is it anywhere near time to.  I completely
respect their right to hate me, but BF doesn't think that's going to win me
any additional points.  Does anybody have any kind of a suggestion at all
for handling this, when it does happen?

lil
Laura - 12 May 2007 19:20 GMT
You had the answer when he told you it would be better for you to find
your Prince Charming some where else...it's apparent he has no intention
of standing up to his kids and saying "I willl have a life of my own and
if you don't like it, too bad".... I really do see you on the losing end
and getting your heart broke. I'm sure he is a wonderful guy, sounds
like a sweet natured man too, but sweet natured enough to let his kids
run his life.
Of course, I would still want and ask to meet his kids. Perhaps he can
tell them about you for a short time, sorta "preparing" them, and if
they don't like you after meeting you, I don't think he's going to stand
up to them.
My husband is like that, extremely mild mannered and mild natured, his 4
kids used to run over him bad, they still do sometimes but not if I
catch it. It's a 24-7 battle and sometimes, it just isn't worth it, I
get tired of fighting. I want to be number 1 in a mans life and I want
him to put me first, not saying he love me more than his kids, love for
kids and love for a wife is very different kinds of love. I wish you
both the best.
Banty - 12 May 2007 19:27 GMT
>Hey all,
>
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>any additional points.  Does anybody have any kind of a suggestion at all
>for handling this, when it does happen?

These folks are waving hurricane warnings in your face, and you're ignoring it..

Consider that it's not actually about how the grown steps would react at all,
that there's something else  (or more) that all this is really just code for.
As in, this or that problem exists (drugs or alcohol?  huge debts?), and in the
past, the step kid thing has been pointed to as part of the whole mess that
happens when things finally (as they say) hit the fan.  But that's the
'acceptable' thing to talk about to new girlfriends..

Can't say for sure of course, I could be totally way off (I'd say, 50-50 chance)
but this is something I've noticed about people when something's awry.  Where
there's smoke, there's fire.

I wouldn't touch it.  Life's too short.

Banty
Banty - 12 May 2007 19:49 GMT
>Hey all,
>
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>any additional points.  Does anybody have any kind of a suggestion at all
>for handling this, when it does happen?

A question occurs to me - has anyone other than your BF told you about the
daughters?

Banty
lilblakdog - 12 May 2007 20:55 GMT
> A question occurs to me - has anyone other than your BF told you about the
> daughters?

I heard a rumour about how horrible they are, and finally asked him last
night.  He just confirmed it.

I'm not sure what you means about the substance abuse and debts.  Do you
mean him?  Because there's nothing like that - he's a very well educated
professional, retired well before reaching retirement age.  And I knew him
for some time before we started seeing each other.

If anything (other than the obvious problem with losing their mother and
watching their father move on), I imagine a good portion of the girls'
problem is that they think women are after their father's money.

And I don't get the idea that the problem is his not wanting to stand up to
his daughters.  Don't get me wrong - it may be.  And if it is, I'm well
aware that things won't improve and I'll be out of there immediately.  We
just haven't reached that point yet - and that's as much my opinion as his
(quite possibly more so, as I've been this route before).  But they're grown
women and they don't live under his roof.  He's made it clear that he isn't
planning to put his life on hold, just because it may upset them, but
neither can you ground, spank, take away the allowance of, or otherwise
torture grown women for the way they choose to behave.  So it will become a
matter of how much I can stand to have foul things said about me behind our
backs.

lil
Nan - 13 May 2007 02:16 GMT
He's made it clear that he isn't
>planning to put his life on hold, just because it may upset them,

Ah, but he *has* put his life on hold by telling you that you should
find Prince Charming elsewhere.  There are red warning flags all over
the place with this guy.  Run as fast as you can.

Nan
lilblakdog - 13 May 2007 06:46 GMT
> Ah, but he *has* put his life on hold by telling you that you should
> find Prince Charming elsewhere.

Well, actually, he only said that because he was worried about me - I told
him (mostly in a combination of shock and jest) I thought it was probably
time for me to head for the hills, and he said that he thought it was
probably the best thing for me.  When I said that I had no intention of
doing it, he said, "Good.  I'm glad to hear it."  Then we went back to
talking about growing old together.

I never expected them to be quite that bad, despite the rumour.  It was a
shock, and that was pretty obvious to him.  So he was worried about whether
or not I'd be able to handle it.

He thinks that I'm quiet - which I haven't quite figured out yet (and those
that know me can probably back that up) - and is worried about my chances,
going up again his daughters.  Kitten's right...I am quite capable of taking
it.  Would I rather be their friend?  Absolutely - I'm just not going to
hold my breath waiting for that day to come.  My father's been gone 22 years
and I despise the man my mother is seeing (granted, I'm lovely and he's a
sleaze ball, so there's a difference there).  My way of dealing with it is
to stay away from my mom's house when he's there.  With any luck, they're
not in any danger of making it permanent.  We are.  Which is what makes this
stickier.

If there was one of them that was a little nicer, I'd give myself better
odds against the other ones.  But it would appear they're all equally
horrible.

He intends to back me up as best he can - he's committed to that.  But
looking at it realistically, again, what can you actually do against grown
women?  Yes, they will be expected to be respectful in his/our home - at the
very least, tolerant.  But they're totally at liberty to say what they like
outside of that, try to turn friends, family, neighbors against me, etc.  I
certainly don't expect that he should cut them out of his life if they won't
conform, or anything.

I really just wondered if there was anything at all you can say to them that
might make this go a little smoother...or how one should act on meeting
them, at all.  My normal way of dealing with this kind of thing would be to
sit them down and tell them that I completely appreciate their right to hate
me, and I even know exactly how they feel.  I won't try to be their mom or
their buddy, or push any kind of a relationship on them, and I'd really
rather they didn't treat me like sh*t to my face.  I can see absolutely no
reason to remove their mother's presence from the house - BF loved the
woman, after all, and that was a life that's not really my business to
interfere with.  And I'll even sign whatever they want to make them happy,
as far as a prenup goes.  I'm not looking for money, and would actually be
much more comfortable with him being a starving writer or something.  My not
seeing their father is not going to keep him from moving forward with his
life - there were women before me and there will be women after, should I
decide to leave.  At least, this way, they're getting someone who respects
how they feel.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!  No, I don't expect that to get me anywhere.

The reality is that there aren't a whole lot of desirable, single men out
there, willing to have kids who don't already.  Santa didn't put the
gorgeous, single, childless, eager for kids, guy I asked for in my stocking
during this past eight years.  Luckily, he did bring me this incredible man
who is everything I've ever wanted - who I adore and who adores me, who is
perfect in every single way, but who happens to come with several rather
unfriendly daughters.  The situation is far from ideal, but it could be so
much worse.  There's no parenting involved whatsoever - I'd be their
father's wife and that's all.  They don't live there.  They're all well
educated and independent.  Hardly the worst situation imaginable.

lil
rebecca - 14 May 2007 04:13 GMT
> He intends to back me up as best he can - he's committed to that.  But
> looking at it realistically, again, what can you actually do against grown
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> might make this go a little smoother...or how one should act on meeting
> them, at all.

Hi lil,

What are you, new?  Only you can decide if you're prepared to go down this
road again, and you have to know that it will have the same kinds of bumps
that you had with Rob.  What's up with "he intends to back me up as best he
can" ?  Are you drunk?  You're already excusing whatever response he makes,
either he intends to back you up, or he's going to passive aggressively
throw you all together and hope for the best.  You have to decide which
you're willing to accept from him.

As for meeting them, why bother?  If you plan to marry him, okay, then you
have to eventually.  If you don't, there's no point unless your bf or one of
the kids pushes for a meeting.  Why complicate what sounds like a nice time
you guys are having?

I will say - I met my stepmother shortly before she and my dad got married,
*I'm* lovely and if she'd brought up what kind of prenup she was willing to
sign to make me more comfortable (a) I'd have decided she was an idiot and
(b) my father would have been wildly offended.  Stay the hell out of that
conversation.  Anything brought up by the daughters gets a friendly "you
need to discuss that with your father" or "when your father and I make those
kinds of decisions, I'm sure he'll appropriately include you"

As for interacting with them, if they're a.sholes, then cut your involvement
to the bare minimum you have to do to support your spouse, and regularly go
to the spa to get away when they're around.

If you like the guy, by all means keep him, but for God's sake, don't get
enmeshed in trying to build a stepfamily with antagonistic adults.  Leave
them be until and unless they reach the point they're ready to be around
you.

Rebecca
lescargot76@yahoo.com - 14 May 2007 14:04 GMT
<delurk>

Lil -

He sounds great, but I'm seeing red flags, too.

Does he know, or have any idea, why all his daughters are like this?
I'd have some concerns about planning to have children who would
have siblings who hated their mom.  And how did _all_ of them turn
out that way?  Is this a possible hint about parenting issues yet to
come?

Partly BTDT: I was an adult when my mother died and my father
remarried, and it took years before I felt like being civil toward my
SM.  A large part of the problem was lack of respect.  Her own
behavior, and some of what she brought out in my father (as
opposed to the character traits that my mother brought out in my
father, IYKWIM), made it hard for me to respect either of them, and
irrationally, I put all the blame on her. OTOH, most of my siblings
felt otherwise: if Daddy was happy, they were happy, so my SM
wasn't up against the odds.  We do have a good relationship now
but it has taken years to work it out.

>From my own experience, when/if you meet any of them, if you
can establish that you are worthy of their respect, that would be
a good foundation.  Since I don't know their values, it's hard to say
how you would do that with each of them.

Hope this turns out for the best for all of you.

Les

P.S.: you wrote:
> He thinks that I'm quiet - which I haven't quite figured out yet (and those
> that know me can probably back that up)

Hmm....  Another possible red flag.  If he honestly thinks you're
quiet, is
it by comparison with other people in his life (which would be okay
but
he must hang out with some ... interesting... people!), or does he
perhaps
not quite know the real you especially well just yet?

</delurk>
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 13 May 2007 04:15 GMT
On May 12, 10:59 am, "lilblakdog" <lilblak...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> any additional points.  Does anybody have any kind of a suggestion at all
> for handling this, when it does happen?

Lil,  I think the question here is all tied up in how *he* will handle
his daughters' reactions.  You're strong enough you can deal with them
being spiteful, back-biting bitches if they choose to be - IF he's
standing at your side and letting them know that they're out of line.
Consistently.  Always.

Just my take on things.

Kitten
SECONDWIFEWITHCHILD - 13 May 2007 06:49 GMT
On May 12, 11:59 am, "lilblakdog" <lilblak...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> lil

If you want your relationship to progress, you should push to meet the
daughters.  It will only confirm the worst nightmare or it
won't....They may like you!  And personally, the girls might just have
issues over the death of their mother they haven't completely
resolved.  And it might be that they are trying to prevent their
mother from being replaced by another.  In their heads that is the way
it would be.  However, if you go into it differently and explain that
you would never be able to replace the mother, and that you would be
just a close friend who happens to be with your boyfriend.  You can
try to build a relationship from there.  But address these things head
on to clear the air, and let it go from there.  You can't force them,
but they can't ignore the situation either.  It will come within time
though.  It will be up to them to accept or not accept, but I'm
guessing you want them to accept the situation.  Just get together for
dinner one night (unexpectedly all show up at the same time) and
discuss the basics I've mentioned.  It might not be so bad if they
would take the first step and you make it easy for them to express
their feelings.  Go slow, at their pace - not the pace you would
desire and it might grow on them.  Take baby steps!  And take them
taking into consideration of all of their feelings.  You might even
ask them what their fears are. and tell them that ya'll would be more
than willing to try to resolve the issues.  It has to be hard on them,
and you and your boyfriend.  It takes years for someone to grieve
their parent being gone.
 
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