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lilblakdog - 12 May 2007 16:59 GMT Hey all,
For anybody who only came on here in the last few years, you won't know me - I used to be a stepmother. SS was three when I came into the picture. I never thought I'd see the day when that relationship was comparatively easy.
I'm in love with a single father of four grown daughters. His wife died several years ago, and they hate everybody he's ever tried to date. Like, really violently hated - not just quietly seethed, the way I do with my mother's boyfriend. He's already told me that there's no way to sugar-coat it - they're going to be horrible. He's said that although he couldn't stand to lose me, he thinks it would be easier on me if I found Prince Charming elsewhere. I happen to think he's wonderful, and I'm not going anywhere just yet.
I haven't met the daughters, nor is it anywhere near time to. I completely respect their right to hate me, but BF doesn't think that's going to win me any additional points. Does anybody have any kind of a suggestion at all for handling this, when it does happen?
lil
Laura - 12 May 2007 19:20 GMT You had the answer when he told you it would be better for you to find your Prince Charming some where else...it's apparent he has no intention of standing up to his kids and saying "I willl have a life of my own and if you don't like it, too bad".... I really do see you on the losing end and getting your heart broke. I'm sure he is a wonderful guy, sounds like a sweet natured man too, but sweet natured enough to let his kids run his life. Of course, I would still want and ask to meet his kids. Perhaps he can tell them about you for a short time, sorta "preparing" them, and if they don't like you after meeting you, I don't think he's going to stand up to them. My husband is like that, extremely mild mannered and mild natured, his 4 kids used to run over him bad, they still do sometimes but not if I catch it. It's a 24-7 battle and sometimes, it just isn't worth it, I get tired of fighting. I want to be number 1 in a mans life and I want him to put me first, not saying he love me more than his kids, love for kids and love for a wife is very different kinds of love. I wish you both the best.
Banty - 12 May 2007 19:27 GMT >Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >any additional points. Does anybody have any kind of a suggestion at all >for handling this, when it does happen? These folks are waving hurricane warnings in your face, and you're ignoring it..
Consider that it's not actually about how the grown steps would react at all, that there's something else (or more) that all this is really just code for. As in, this or that problem exists (drugs or alcohol? huge debts?), and in the past, the step kid thing has been pointed to as part of the whole mess that happens when things finally (as they say) hit the fan. But that's the 'acceptable' thing to talk about to new girlfriends..
Can't say for sure of course, I could be totally way off (I'd say, 50-50 chance) but this is something I've noticed about people when something's awry. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
I wouldn't touch it. Life's too short.
Banty
Banty - 12 May 2007 19:49 GMT >Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >any additional points. Does anybody have any kind of a suggestion at all >for handling this, when it does happen? A question occurs to me - has anyone other than your BF told you about the daughters?
Banty
lilblakdog - 12 May 2007 20:55 GMT > A question occurs to me - has anyone other than your BF told you about the > daughters? I heard a rumour about how horrible they are, and finally asked him last night. He just confirmed it.
I'm not sure what you means about the substance abuse and debts. Do you mean him? Because there's nothing like that - he's a very well educated professional, retired well before reaching retirement age. And I knew him for some time before we started seeing each other.
If anything (other than the obvious problem with losing their mother and watching their father move on), I imagine a good portion of the girls' problem is that they think women are after their father's money.
And I don't get the idea that the problem is his not wanting to stand up to his daughters. Don't get me wrong - it may be. And if it is, I'm well aware that things won't improve and I'll be out of there immediately. We just haven't reached that point yet - and that's as much my opinion as his (quite possibly more so, as I've been this route before). But they're grown women and they don't live under his roof. He's made it clear that he isn't planning to put his life on hold, just because it may upset them, but neither can you ground, spank, take away the allowance of, or otherwise torture grown women for the way they choose to behave. So it will become a matter of how much I can stand to have foul things said about me behind our backs.
lil
Nan - 13 May 2007 02:16 GMT He's made it clear that he isn't
>planning to put his life on hold, just because it may upset them, Ah, but he *has* put his life on hold by telling you that you should find Prince Charming elsewhere. There are red warning flags all over the place with this guy. Run as fast as you can.
Nan
lilblakdog - 13 May 2007 06:46 GMT > Ah, but he *has* put his life on hold by telling you that you should > find Prince Charming elsewhere. Well, actually, he only said that because he was worried about me - I told him (mostly in a combination of shock and jest) I thought it was probably time for me to head for the hills, and he said that he thought it was probably the best thing for me. When I said that I had no intention of doing it, he said, "Good. I'm glad to hear it." Then we went back to talking about growing old together.
I never expected them to be quite that bad, despite the rumour. It was a shock, and that was pretty obvious to him. So he was worried about whether or not I'd be able to handle it.
He thinks that I'm quiet - which I haven't quite figured out yet (and those that know me can probably back that up) - and is worried about my chances, going up again his daughters. Kitten's right...I am quite capable of taking it. Would I rather be their friend? Absolutely - I'm just not going to hold my breath waiting for that day to come. My father's been gone 22 years and I despise the man my mother is seeing (granted, I'm lovely and he's a sleaze ball, so there's a difference there). My way of dealing with it is to stay away from my mom's house when he's there. With any luck, they're not in any danger of making it permanent. We are. Which is what makes this stickier.
If there was one of them that was a little nicer, I'd give myself better odds against the other ones. But it would appear they're all equally horrible.
He intends to back me up as best he can - he's committed to that. But looking at it realistically, again, what can you actually do against grown women? Yes, they will be expected to be respectful in his/our home - at the very least, tolerant. But they're totally at liberty to say what they like outside of that, try to turn friends, family, neighbors against me, etc. I certainly don't expect that he should cut them out of his life if they won't conform, or anything.
I really just wondered if there was anything at all you can say to them that might make this go a little smoother...or how one should act on meeting them, at all. My normal way of dealing with this kind of thing would be to sit them down and tell them that I completely appreciate their right to hate me, and I even know exactly how they feel. I won't try to be their mom or their buddy, or push any kind of a relationship on them, and I'd really rather they didn't treat me like sh*t to my face. I can see absolutely no reason to remove their mother's presence from the house - BF loved the woman, after all, and that was a life that's not really my business to interfere with. And I'll even sign whatever they want to make them happy, as far as a prenup goes. I'm not looking for money, and would actually be much more comfortable with him being a starving writer or something. My not seeing their father is not going to keep him from moving forward with his life - there were women before me and there will be women after, should I decide to leave. At least, this way, they're getting someone who respects how they feel.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!! No, I don't expect that to get me anywhere.
The reality is that there aren't a whole lot of desirable, single men out there, willing to have kids who don't already. Santa didn't put the gorgeous, single, childless, eager for kids, guy I asked for in my stocking during this past eight years. Luckily, he did bring me this incredible man who is everything I've ever wanted - who I adore and who adores me, who is perfect in every single way, but who happens to come with several rather unfriendly daughters. The situation is far from ideal, but it could be so much worse. There's no parenting involved whatsoever - I'd be their father's wife and that's all. They don't live there. They're all well educated and independent. Hardly the worst situation imaginable.
lil
rebecca - 14 May 2007 04:13 GMT > He intends to back me up as best he can - he's committed to that. But > looking at it realistically, again, what can you actually do against grown [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > might make this go a little smoother...or how one should act on meeting > them, at all. Hi lil,
What are you, new? Only you can decide if you're prepared to go down this road again, and you have to know that it will have the same kinds of bumps that you had with Rob. What's up with "he intends to back me up as best he can" ? Are you drunk? You're already excusing whatever response he makes, either he intends to back you up, or he's going to passive aggressively throw you all together and hope for the best. You have to decide which you're willing to accept from him.
As for meeting them, why bother? If you plan to marry him, okay, then you have to eventually. If you don't, there's no point unless your bf or one of the kids pushes for a meeting. Why complicate what sounds like a nice time you guys are having?
I will say - I met my stepmother shortly before she and my dad got married, *I'm* lovely and if she'd brought up what kind of prenup she was willing to sign to make me more comfortable (a) I'd have decided she was an idiot and (b) my father would have been wildly offended. Stay the hell out of that conversation. Anything brought up by the daughters gets a friendly "you need to discuss that with your father" or "when your father and I make those kinds of decisions, I'm sure he'll appropriately include you"
As for interacting with them, if they're a.sholes, then cut your involvement to the bare minimum you have to do to support your spouse, and regularly go to the spa to get away when they're around.
If you like the guy, by all means keep him, but for God's sake, don't get enmeshed in trying to build a stepfamily with antagonistic adults. Leave them be until and unless they reach the point they're ready to be around you.
Rebecca
lescargot76@yahoo.com - 14 May 2007 14:04 GMT <delurk>
Lil -
He sounds great, but I'm seeing red flags, too.
Does he know, or have any idea, why all his daughters are like this? I'd have some concerns about planning to have children who would have siblings who hated their mom. And how did _all_ of them turn out that way? Is this a possible hint about parenting issues yet to come?
Partly BTDT: I was an adult when my mother died and my father remarried, and it took years before I felt like being civil toward my SM. A large part of the problem was lack of respect. Her own behavior, and some of what she brought out in my father (as opposed to the character traits that my mother brought out in my father, IYKWIM), made it hard for me to respect either of them, and irrationally, I put all the blame on her. OTOH, most of my siblings felt otherwise: if Daddy was happy, they were happy, so my SM wasn't up against the odds. We do have a good relationship now but it has taken years to work it out.
>From my own experience, when/if you meet any of them, if you can establish that you are worthy of their respect, that would be a good foundation. Since I don't know their values, it's hard to say how you would do that with each of them.
Hope this turns out for the best for all of you.
Les
P.S.: you wrote:
> He thinks that I'm quiet - which I haven't quite figured out yet (and those > that know me can probably back that up) Hmm.... Another possible red flag. If he honestly thinks you're quiet, is it by comparison with other people in his life (which would be okay but he must hang out with some ... interesting... people!), or does he perhaps not quite know the real you especially well just yet?
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Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe - 13 May 2007 04:15 GMT On May 12, 10:59 am, "lilblakdog" <lilblak...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > any additional points. Does anybody have any kind of a suggestion at all > for handling this, when it does happen? Lil, I think the question here is all tied up in how *he* will handle his daughters' reactions. You're strong enough you can deal with them being spiteful, back-biting bitches if they choose to be - IF he's standing at your side and letting them know that they're out of line. Consistently. Always.
Just my take on things.
Kitten
SECONDWIFEWITHCHILD - 13 May 2007 06:49 GMT On May 12, 11:59 am, "lilblakdog" <lilblak...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > lil If you want your relationship to progress, you should push to meet the daughters. It will only confirm the worst nightmare or it won't....They may like you! And personally, the girls might just have issues over the death of their mother they haven't completely resolved. And it might be that they are trying to prevent their mother from being replaced by another. In their heads that is the way it would be. However, if you go into it differently and explain that you would never be able to replace the mother, and that you would be just a close friend who happens to be with your boyfriend. You can try to build a relationship from there. But address these things head on to clear the air, and let it go from there. You can't force them, but they can't ignore the situation either. It will come within time though. It will be up to them to accept or not accept, but I'm guessing you want them to accept the situation. Just get together for dinner one night (unexpectedly all show up at the same time) and discuss the basics I've mentioned. It might not be so bad if they would take the first step and you make it easy for them to express their feelings. Go slow, at their pace - not the pace you would desire and it might grow on them. Take baby steps! And take them taking into consideration of all of their feelings. You might even ask them what their fears are. and tell them that ya'll would be more than willing to try to resolve the issues. It has to be hard on them, and you and your boyfriend. It takes years for someone to grieve their parent being gone.
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