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Becky - 05 Mar 2004 18:15 GMT I was searching for information about "step" parenting. I am a divorced 29 year old childless woman. I have known Joe for three years. We have been dating exclusively for five months now. He has full time custody of his eight year old daughter, seven year old daughter, and four year old son. Their mother left the family three years ago. She has since moved back to the same city and visits them maybe once a month for a few hours at a time. I do not reside at Joe's house, however spend ALOT of time there. He really makes me feel happy, so I naturally want to spend time there, plus, the convienence of being there sometimes outways going home. Joe works shift work, and the kids are in my care often. I basically have them now if I am not at work. I am enjoying the responsibility, however it does seem overwhelming at times. I have some specific concerns, but am sure someone "out there" already has some suggestions for me. I will post more messages regarding the specific issues in the near future. Try to have a GREAT day! Becky
nikki@impactwp.com - 05 Mar 2004 19:23 GMT > I was searching for information about "step" parenting. I am a > divorced 29 year old childless woman. I have known Joe for three [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > will post more messages regarding the specific issues in the near > future. Try to have a GREAT day! Becky Hi Becky, and welcome.
I've been a stepparent for almost ten years now. I have two stepkids, SS14 and SD9, with different mothers. SS has lived with us for eight years now, with a very problematic relationship with the BM for four years, great for the last four. SD lives with her mother and we've always had visitation.
IME and opinion there are three major pitfalls to both look out for and ward off at all costs! They are:
1) Waking up a few months or years from now and realising that you do ALL of the childcare, get NO appreciation and NO time off without a major guilt trip or shouting match. It's a simple fact that in many relationships much of the household and childcare responsibilities will fall to the woman of the house unless you are clear about your boundaries and what you will and will not do. IMO it's fine if you're happy to do a lot of the childcare. But my advice would be to *always* maintain a dynamic where it is not *expected* of you and you receive much gratitude for what you have done. I'm talking 'thanks for having the kids today honey' each and every day, so that it is clear that you are doing him a huge favour and not actually assuming responsibility for that work. I would also recommend that you keep a practice of taking time out for yourself, saying No to taking care of the kids sometimes (just so it's clear that you can do so) and being clear with your SO about your feelings and needs. For example, if he doesn't want to hear how tough the kids have been today? Well buddy, they're not my problem, and if I'm going to look after them for you I'm going to need you to listen for 10 minutes while I bitch about them and then I'll feel better. If you don't like it, find another babysitter. Talking of babysitters, make sure you've got them. His family, paid for local teenagers, whatever. Have an escape route and take time together away from the children, often.
2) Spending the next four or five years of your life hating BM and generally expending the large majority of your emotional, mental and spiritual energy in her direction. OK, so I'm not picking up major clues on this one from your post. But bear with me, this one is my personal pet favourite, having ruined my own life with it for several years. There are literally a billion reasons why you need to maintain positive feelings about her. Making it easier for the kids etc etc etc. None of these worked for me, sadly I had to see what I was going to get out of it before I could snap out of it and improve my life. So I'll offer you those reasons instead. BM doesn't seem to want to play much of a role in the kids' lives right now, but that could change. And when it does, you need to welcome her with open arms. Because she could be a major key to you getting time off and time alone with your partner. We've even suggested here that even in intact families that we should have someone to take the kids every other weekend because it's such a bonus! So keep that channel open. Everything you can do to be positive about her, both with your partner and the children will just increase the likelihood of her taking them for more time in the future. Trust me.
3) Waking up in a few months or years from now and realising that actually all of the problems that you have with the kids and with BM are actually huge problems that you have with your boyfriend and what an absolute idiot he can be sometimes. Note, this one normally comes after you've already married and had a baby together in your ignorance. Admittedly, this one is closely tied in with 1 and 2. 1, because if you don't set the boundaries I mention you've inviting him to behave badly and 2 because most of us initially blame BM for our SO's failings. In your case for 2 it might be him bitching that she never takes the kids, but actually he gives her sh.t and a guilt trip when she does get in touch. You gradually realise just why she stays away - him! Or, the other classic which applies to those stepfamilies, unlike yourselves, with visitation, where the stepmother bitches for years about how little her partner gets to see his kids because of the bitch BM, then she wakes up and realises it's because her partner can't stand up to BM, never challenges the status quo, and can't even be bothered to attempt to get more visitation. In your case my main thing would be making sure your SO is getting child support. Because if he's not and you move in, guess who's going to be spending a lot of cash on the kids? Yup, you.
Other than that, it's plain sailing! ;-)
Nikki
jane - 05 Mar 2004 21:08 GMT > I basically have them >now if I am not at work. I am enjoying the responsibility, however it >does seem overwhelming at times. I want to say, "What are you, NUTS?", but I'm told that that is distancing. How did you become responsible for these other people's children? . You are certainly not the only one go from hot young single babe to unpaid full time babysitter without understanding precisely how it happened. Welcome to the Cinderella In Reverse Club. I think five months is a new record, though.
You've got to regroup and reevaluate the situation. Because unless you looked at Joe and thought, "Wow, he is *cute*! Maybe he'll let me babysit his kids," this affair is not moving entirely in the direction you want it to.
Step out of the whirlwind for a minute, and think. What do you want to be doing? Where do you want this relationship to go?
jane
Anne Robotti - 06 Mar 2004 00:51 GMT >> I basically have them >>now if I am not at work. I am enjoying the responsibility, however it >>does seem overwhelming at times. > >I want to say, "What are you, NUTS?", but I'm told that that is distancing. Really? How odd.
>How did you become responsible for these other people's children? . You are >certainly not the only one go from hot young single babe to unpaid full time >babysitter without understanding precisely how it happened. Welcome to the >Cinderella In Reverse Club. I think five months is a new record, though. You've forgotten the Anne-Robotti-met-him-in-November-gave-up-Broadway-tickets-in-January-because-he-had-hockey-tickets story, aren't you dear? She'd hardly be the only person to go from smitten to stupid that fast. I think that what happens is that it just sneaks up on you. And quite frankly, in the beginning it's nice to be in a relationship, getting along with his kid makes you feel like you're clicking more with him and "helping" him is good for both of you <gag>. But unfortunately once many guys smell a willing babysitter for their custody time, that's what you are.
>You've got to regroup and reevaluate the situation. Because unless you looked >at Joe and thought, "Wow, he is *cute*! Maybe he'll let me babysit his kids," >this affair is not moving entirely in the direction you want it to. You know though, I think that there's something about watching a guy's kid all the time that feels so "married." You feel like the relationship is more serious than it is, because after all, he wouldn't just be shoving his kid off on you because he's sick of the little punk, it must be because he loves and trusts you.
I'm not trying to rag on the OP. Really, I'm looking back at my young, stupid self and seeing the mistakes I made and just being so disgusted. What was the deal there? Was I desperate? Dumb? I just don't know.
>Step out of the whirlwind for a minute, and think. What do you want to be >doing? Where do you want this relationship to go? And that's *your* relationship with *him* that Jane's talking about, not "do you want a ready-made family"? The question she's too delicate to ask is, "Are you just letting other people's expectations or the fear of messing up do your thinking for you? Are you so caught up in how great you're doing with the kid that you're pursuing a relationship that's way more than you really need in your life? Looking forward ten years, is this bullshit REALLY what you want? Jesus girl, are there holes in your track shoes? RUN!!!"
Jane is nothing if not subtle.
Anne
heather m. - 06 Mar 2004 04:07 GMT It's because of threads like these that when I first read (thanks Anne) the ASSP haiku line "ha ha newbie no" I fell off my chair laughing so hard. I think of myself 10 years ago and just want to go back in time and bitch-slap myself.
Heather "all will be fine....." yea RIGHT!
> >> I basically have them > >>now if I am not at work. I am enjoying the responsibility, however it [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You've forgotten the Anne-Robotti-met-him-in-November-gave-up-Broadway-tickets-in-January-because -he-had-hockey-tickets
> story, aren't you dear? She'd hardly be the only person to go from > smitten to stupid that fast. I think that what happens is that it just [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Anne Geri and sometimes Brian - 06 Mar 2004 04:15 GMT >It's because of threads like these that when I first read (thanks Anne) the >ASSP haiku line "ha ha newbie no" I fell off my chair laughing so hard. Those were damned fine examples of literary talent. European literature - pah. I would set Anne's ASSP haikus up against them any day of the week.
~~Geri~~
Melissa - 06 Mar 2004 04:18 GMT >Those were damned fine examples of literary talent. European literature - >pah. > I would set Anne's ASSP haikus up against them any day of the week. > >~~Geri~~ The complete works of Anne Robotti. I'd sign up for that course in a heartbeat. Love, Melissa "The old Tom didn't poison your fish either!" -Carson Kressley, from Queer Eye
Geri and sometimes Brian - 06 Mar 2004 04:23 GMT >The complete works of Anne Robotti. I'd sign up for that course in a >heartbeat. Absolutely.
~~Geri~~
heather m. - 06 Mar 2004 05:24 GMT > >Those were damned fine examples of literary talent. European literature - > >pah. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Love, > Melissa Or...The Genius Irony of Anne Robotti.....
We really need to stop before she starts making us pay homage to her...
Heather
Anne Robotti - 06 Mar 2004 11:22 GMT >Or...The Genius Irony of Anne Robotti..... > >We really need to stop before she starts making us pay homage to her... Starts?
No worries anyway, I love threads about me, the last thing I'd do is get in the way of one! This is where I fill my pathetic attention and love needs.
Anne
The Watsons - 06 Mar 2004 15:50 GMT > We really need to stop before she starts making us pay homage to her... it just shows that all her training is finally sinking in...;)
Jess
The Watsons - 06 Mar 2004 15:49 GMT > The complete works of Anne Robotti. I'd sign up for that course in a > heartbeat. i'd buy the book in a heartbeat...
Jess
jane - 06 Mar 2004 04:19 GMT >I >think of myself 10 years ago and just want to go back in time and bitch-slap >myself. I think we need t-shirts. Or maybe bumper stickers.
jane
>Heather heather m. - 06 Mar 2004 05:26 GMT > >I > >think of myself 10 years ago and just want to go back in time and bitch-slap [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > >Heather They could read...
"Ha ha newbie no"-alt.support.step-parents Usenet's Finest!
Heather
Amy Lou - 06 Mar 2004 10:57 GMT I am a
> divorced 29 year old childless woman. He has
> full time custody of his eight year old daughter, seven year old > daughter, and four year old son. I basically have them
> now if I am not at work. Just out of curiosity what did you do with your spare time 5 months ago?
Amy
rebecca - 06 Mar 2004 18:35 GMT > I was searching for information about "step" parenting. I am a > divorced 29 year old childless woman. I have known Joe for three > years. We have been dating exclusively for five months now. He has > full time custody of his eight year old daughter, seven year old > daughter, and four year old son. Their mother left the family three > years ago. Hi Becky,
Listen, what everyone's saying is true enough, it's just about 3 steps more advanced than it sounds like you are. There are some decent books out there about stepparenting, and some really stupid ones. Read a couple, get a feel for what the general issues are. In the beginning, I found it helpful to also read some about single parenting and coparenting, it gave me a sense for areas where my SO was doing well and where he wasn't. I also liked talking to/listening to people like Jane and Vicki, who manage to coparent amicably with their ex-husbands. They give good perspective.
In general, though, this early in a relationship, I'd be a touch wary about how deeply you get involved with those kids. If their mother is mostly absent, they're going to be needy and looking for a mother-figure. You may or may not be that person, but until you're a little surer about where your relationship is going, it isn't fair to the kids, does that make sense?
rebecca
jane - 07 Mar 2004 03:31 GMT >until you're a little surer about where your >relationship is going, it isn't fair to the kids, does that make sense? Nicely done! I had no idea how to bring that up.
jane
>rebecca rebecca - 07 Mar 2004 04:01 GMT > >until you're a little surer about where your > >relationship is going, it isn't fair to the kids, does that make sense? > > Nicely done! I had no idea how to bring that up. > > jane Well, thanks! Right back at you with the 'Cinderella in reverse club' - I laughed so hard I drooled. Well, okay, I didn't drool, exactly. But I'm pretty sure I aspirated part of the cookie I was eating when I snorted.
I hate girlscout cookie drives. I always gain weight.
rebecca
jane - 07 Mar 2004 14:14 GMT >I hate girlscout cookie drives. I always gain weight. > >rebecca They usually sell them outside supermarkets here. They didn't this year because of the strike. So I haven't seen a GS cookie in forever.
jane
Kathy Cole - 07 Mar 2004 16:25 GMT > Well, thanks! Right back at you with the 'Cinderella in reverse club' - I > laughed so hard I drooled. Well, okay, I didn't drool, exactly. But I'm > pretty sure I aspirated part of the cookie I was eating when I snorted. > > I hate girlscout cookie drives. I always gain weight. I'm actually doing shockingly well at avoiding our cookies (we've still got a couple of cases left). I'm not sure why it's working, but I'm certainly not going to argue.
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