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jane - 23 Jun 2004 02:22 GMT
It is so dull around here.  

Anyone buy "the book" yet?  Anyone going to see F911 on Friday?  Any web sites
showing the latest beheading?

jane
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 02:50 GMT
> It is so dull around here.
>
> Anyone buy "the book" yet?  Anyone going to see F911 on Friday?  Any web sites
> showing the latest beheading?
>
> jane

Haven't. No.  Don't know. <g> Would you be satisfied with another round of
Home Remedy Bingo?

I need input, please, on topical treatments for an all-body rash due to
allergic reaction to an antibiotic. Yes, I'm seeing the Doc daily and
getting internal meds & a shot of some sort of steroid (I think), but I am
bright red and bumpy and itchy all over and if I don't get some relief I am
going to crawl out of my skin.

What I've tried:

Oatmeal bath
Soda bath
Aloe vera gel
Aveeno itch cream
Cocoa butter

Took some Benedryl and got relief for about an hour. Then it's back to
pacing and swinging my arms so I don't scratch. I'm sleeping with oven-mitts
on my hands.

Help!

Kardu
jane - 23 Jun 2004 03:24 GMT
>but I am
>bright red and bumpy and itchy all over and if I don't get some relief I am
>going to crawl out of my skin.

sh.t. I've been having some allergy-related problems myself lately.  For me
anything with fragrance in it just makes it worse.  Lubriderm sensitive skin
works well.

What's that pink stuff with benadryl in it that you put on poison ivy?
Caladryl!  

Heroin?  I understand you don't care that you're itchy.

What about that stuff that you put on gums? Lidocaine?  Some topical
anesthetic.  

Oh, and cut your nails.

jane


Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 04:02 GMT
> >but I am
> >bright red and bumpy and itchy all over and if I don't get some relief I am
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>
> jane

Nails are cut down as far a s possible. Does the Lubriderm do something
besides moisturize? I'm supposed to keep the skin moist to prevent
cracking/infection, and was told Vaseline would be good for that. Great, but
if it itches so durned bad under the layer of petrolium jelly that I scratch
in my sleep, it's useless.

Worst of all, it took several days of using the Flagyl before the reaction
set in. Doc says it may take several more days for this to clear. I. am.
not. happy.

For some reason, Caladryl is a no, but calamine is OK. Or the other way
around. Once I get that straight I'll make that my next trial, but will have
to wait until after the next cool bath. It won't do much through the jelly.

I'll see the Doc again tomorrow morning, so will ask about the Lidocaine.
Right about now, heroin is looking very, very good. Thanks for the
suggestions.

Kardu
Adrienne Winn - 23 Jun 2004 04:14 GMT
> Great, but
> if it itches so durned bad under the layer of petrolium jelly that I scratch
> in my sleep, it's useless.

This probably sounds ridiculous, but mittens? like they give babies so they
don't scratch themselves?

Adrienne
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 04:23 GMT
> > Great, but
> > if it itches so durned bad under the layer of petrolium jelly that I
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>
> Adrienne

Not silly at all. I wore light winter gloves last night, but the rash has
now spread to my hands and that won't work tonight as they made me sweat.
Oven mitts are the accessories for tonight.  It's about 10 years too late,
but do I ever empathize with our 2 youngers and their bouts with chicken
pox. Yikes!

Kardu
_calinda_ - 23 Jun 2004 04:33 GMT
> Not silly at all. I wore light winter gloves last night, but the rash
> has now spread to my hands and that won't work tonight as they
made
> me sweat. Oven mitts are the accessories for tonight.  It's about
10
> years too late, but do I ever empathize with our 2 youngers and
their
> bouts with chicken pox. Yikes!
>
> Kardu

I recently had an allergic reaction similar to this.  I was itching
so bad I.Did.Not.Care that I wasn't supposed to scratch.  I even
resorted to using one of those funky looking spaghetti turners that
look like crooked fingers to reach my itchy back.

The doctor prescribed Clarienex <sp?>and bathing in Aveeno and it
went away almost immediately.

The nurse said the next best thing to clarienex is claritin.  Could
you call the doc's office and see if something like that would be
okay for you to take?

I wish you good luck and lots of long distance hugs,
Cal~
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 17:49 GMT
> I recently had an allergic reaction similar to this.  I was itching
> so bad I.Did.Not.Care that I wasn't supposed to scratch.  I even
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> I wish you good luck and lots of long distance hugs,
> Cal~

Oh, Cal, you've given me my first laugh in days! I know just how you felt
and have also used almost everything to scratch. DH told me that he tried to
stop me scratching in my sleep and I told him it was OK to scratch with the
oven mitts on and to just leave me alone. Scratching an itch is about as
basic a function as breathing, IME.

Zyrtec 24-hour is what I'm taking now, with occasional boosters from
Benadryl. That's why no Caladryl. I'm already a bit overloaded.

Kardu
jane - 23 Jun 2004 04:40 GMT
>Does the Lubriderm do something
>besides moisturize? I'm supposed to keep the skin moist to prevent
>cracking/infection, and was told Vaseline would be good for that. Great, but
>if it itches so durned bad under the layer of petrolium jelly that I scratch
>in my sleep, it's useless.

I can't believe I'm going to say this.  

The skin part of my problem is partially due to rat urine.  Lee's gone.  Her
rat is lonely.  When I take him out of the cage, he runs all over me.  He
expresses his joy through his urethra, then scratches it into my skin, which
blisters and itches wildly.  

I find that long showers help. However, since the feeling is soothing, I don't
want to come out, and by the time I do my skin is moisture free.  Petroleum
jelly makes it worse; it's too heavy or something. Lubriderm moistens my skin
back to normal.  The regular stuff is worse than nothing, though, it has to be
the hypoallergenic stuff in the blue and white bottle.  

jane
Deborah M Riel - 23 Jun 2004 05:01 GMT
>I can't believe I'm going to say this.  
>
>The skin part of my problem is partially due to rat urine.
<snip>
>I find that long showers help.
>
>jane

Uh, Jane,

I think if I were covered in itchy rat urine, a long shower would be
the only thing that would help.  The longer the better.

I can't stand it--I'm laughing just too hard right now to even read
the rest of the post...

You're a good grandma to that rat.  Wear long sleeves and long pants
when you take it out of the cage and maybe you won't itch as much.  Can you
clip its little nails like you can with a cat?

Deb R.
jane - 23 Jun 2004 17:31 GMT
>Wear long sleeves and long pants
>when you take it out of the cage and maybe you won't itch as much.

I do now, and it has helped a lot.

> Can you
>clip its little nails like you can with a cat?

I can't.  I've never been able to clip anything's nails, including Lee's.  Do
you think I could get it done at a groomer?  Are there rat groomers?  Maybe a
vet?  

Someone must have had this problem.  Maybe with a hamster.  Does anyone know?

jane

>Deb R.
Melissa - 23 Jun 2004 05:05 GMT
>The skin part of my problem is partially due to rat urine.

That's just gorss Jane.
Love,
Melissa

"This virtual sand tastes just like real sand."
-Line from one of the cartoons SS watches.
jane - 23 Jun 2004 17:34 GMT
>>The skin part of my problem is partially due to rat urine.
>
>That's just gorss Jane.
>Love,
>Melissa

You're just jealous because you're not one with the animal kingdom as I am.
He'll be talking to me soon; just wait.

jane
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 17:54 GMT
> >>The skin part of my problem is partially due to rat urine.
> >
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>
> jane

Why do I hear the strains of Michael Jackson's "Ben" running through my
head? <g>

Kardu
Wendy - 23 Jun 2004 06:45 GMT
> The skin part of my problem is partially due to rat urine.  Lee's gone.  Her
> rat is lonely.  When I take him out of the cage, he runs all over me.  He
> expresses his joy through his urethra, then scratches it into my skin, which
> blisters and itches wildly.

Over here I've been helping Louise revise for her exams.  The last one is
this afternoon.  Then I'll be getting Madi ready for her trip to Normandy -
she leaves at 4 am on Monday.

Wendy
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 14:51 GMT
> I can't believe I'm going to say this.
>
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>
> jane

I think you've reached the height of dedication. Me? Talk to the rat would
be fine. Clean the rat's cage...OK. Handle the rat gingerly with pot
holders...maybe. Let him climb all over me and express his joy through his
urethra....no way!

Finally was able to fall asleep after 1ish this morning and slept with only
a few times of needing to scratch. Skin pigment is now the color of a mild
sunburn instead of the very alarming near-vermilion it had been yesterday. I
took another dose of Benadryl after an oatmeal bath and that relieved the
itch enough to sleep.

Kardu
Kathy Cole - 23 Jun 2004 12:27 GMT
> Worst of all, it took several days of using the Flagyl before the reaction
> set in. Doc says it may take several more days for this to clear. I. am.
> not. happy.

I'm so sorry.  That sucks.

> For some reason, Caladryl is a no, but calamine is OK. Or the other way
> around. Once I get that straight I'll make that my next trial, but will have
> to wait until after the next cool bath. It won't do much through the jelly.

The Caladryl's a no if you're taking other forms of Benadryl (so there's
no OD).
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 17:41 GMT
> > Worst of all, it took several days of using the Flagyl before the reaction
> > set in. Doc says it may take several more days for this to clear. I. am.
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> The Caladryl's a no if you're taking other forms of Benadryl (so there's
> no OD).

Just confirmed by my Doc. DH is on his way back from the drug store with
calamine lotion and Lubriderm sensitive skin formula. In the mean time, I'm
drinking lots of fluids to help flush everything out. Thanks, Kathy!

Kardu
Tracey - 23 Jun 2004 03:25 GMT
>>It is so dull around here.
>>
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>
> Kardu

Have you tried Caladryl? Or whatever that pink stuff in the pink
bottle is?

Tracey
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 04:10 GMT
> > I need input, please, on topical treatments for an all-body rash due to
> > allergic reaction to an antibiotic. Yes, I'm seeing the Doc daily and
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Tracey

Hi, Tracey --

Thanks for responding. No, we haven't tried that yet. I can't remember which
but I was told 'no' to either Caladryl or calamine.  I'll have to find out
which it is.

Has anyone had luck with chamomile as a wash on rash? Not sure where I heard
it, but that might be worth a try. I desperately do _not_ want to go the
hospital/IV route, but may be forced to if this doesn't resolve soon.

This is my very first ever allergic reaction. Yippee.

Kardu
Wendy - 23 Jun 2004 06:35 GMT
> Thanks for responding. No, we haven't tried that yet. I can't remember which
> but I was told 'no' to either Caladryl or calamine.  I'll have to find out
> which it is.

It's calamine lotion.  We used it for poison ivy, mosquito bites,  you name
it.

I've had allergic reactions to lots of antibiotics in the past.  Calamine
helped some.

Wendy
nik@impactwp.com - 23 Jun 2004 09:00 GMT
> > > I need input, please, on topical treatments for an all-body rash due to
> > > allergic reaction to an antibiotic. Yes, I'm seeing the Doc daily and
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>
> Kardu

Seriously, go see a homeopath. Where are you? I'll try and find one.

Chamomile would probably be good for some temporary relief. It can't be
calamine that you're not allowed surely.

Sorry kardu, hope you're better soon
Nikki
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 17:39 GMT
> Seriously, go see a homeopath. Where are you? I'll try and find one.
>
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> Sorry kardu, hope you're better soon
> Nikki

My brother and his family have had good luck with homeopaths in Washington
State. Here in the Chicago area, the one or two we tried a few years ago
were ineffective and, well, kinda weird. I understand that it's important to
treat the whole body, not simply one area, but if it's the one area that's
causing the rest of the body major trouble (ovarian cysts at the time), that
area really does need attention that might cause more problems for the body
until the situation resolves.

In re-reading my original post I realized I hadn't mentioned why I was on
antibiotics. (Two of them, from one of which I developed this lovely
reaction.) I was hospitalized last week with peritonitis. They thought a
cyst might have burst, but CT showed diverticulitis. None of the divertucula
had burst, but one might have 'micro perfed' and leaked a bit of stuff into
my abdominal cavity, causing excruciating pain. Instead of immediate
surgery, they opted to flood my blood with antibiotics. Even through the
worst of the itching (and I hope that was the worst) I have been thankful
that it's not post-surgery stuff I have to deal with right now.

Back now from the Doc and it will still be a few days before this clears
entirely. Areas that were painfully itchy yesterday are clearing, but have
new eruptions on my limbs. This is going to be a fun week.

Kardu
Lola - 23 Jun 2004 08:10 GMT
> I need input, please, on topical treatments for an all-body rash due to
> allergic reaction to an antibiotic. Yes, I'm seeing the Doc daily and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Kardu

Wheatgrass juice.  Preferably on an empty stomach, but you
may get a bit queasy ... it's because it's sucking out all the
toxins out.  One shot daily and you'll be like new.  You can
also nab a bit right on the skin.  Go to a raw juice bar
(it may be pricey: never mind), at first.  If you come to love it,
you can grow your own, and buy a juice extractor.
Belive me, it's miracle juice.
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 17:42 GMT
> > I need input, please, on topical treatments for an all-body rash due to
> > allergic reaction to an antibiotic. Yes, I'm seeing the Doc daily and
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> you can grow your own, and buy a juice extractor.
> Belive me, it's miracle juice.

Will this effect the other meds I'm taking? I still have the other
antibiotic to finish, just to be sure it takes care of all the bacteria.

Kardu
Lola - 24 Jun 2004 07:55 GMT
> > Wheatgrass juice.  Preferably on an empty stomach, but you
> > may get a bit queasy ... it's because it's sucking out all the
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>
> Kardu

Wheatgrass juice is just that:  raw juice, it's *food*.
It won't affect your medicines, except you quickly won't
need them anymore.  Look it up in the net:  it's chlorophyl,
tons of vitamins and minerals, and it is absorbed in the
body in minutes.  It's the stuff your blood is made of, basically.

(funny, i've been lurking on this group for, like, 2 or 3 years,
and I end up posting for the first time on ... wheatgrass!
It's really that good, I had to tell you.)
Adrienne Winn - 24 Jun 2004 17:25 GMT
Ummm.. I realize that wheatgrass can be a great thing for people who don't
already have a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains,
*however*.....

even food can affect other medications you're taking.  I don't eat soy, or
raw broccoli, or cauliflower because they (like a number of other foods
known as goitrogens) would interfere with medication I'm taking.

Further, without knowing every medication Kardu is taking, it's kind of
irresponsible of you to state that she won't need to take them any more if
she takes this miracle juice. For example, if you told me the same thing,
and I followed your advice, it would eventually kill me. Not without making
me insane first, but hey, that's a small detail, right?

Yes, it's possible that the only meds that Kardu is on are the antibiotics.
But you don't *know* that. And it's possible that you only meant the
antibiotics. But someone reading your words might not realize that.

Adrienne

> > > Wheatgrass juice.  Preferably on an empty stomach, but you
> > > may get a bit queasy ... it's because it's sucking out all the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> and I end up posting for the first time on ... wheatgrass!
> It's really that good, I had to tell you.)
jane - 25 Jun 2004 14:17 GMT
>Ummm.. I realize that wheatgrass can be a great thing for people who don't
>already have a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains,
>*however*.....

This will henceforth be known as the great Wheatgrass War of 2004.

jane
Kardu - 26 Jun 2004 17:02 GMT
> >Ummm.. I realize that wheatgrass can be a great thing for people who don't
> >already have a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> jane

If Tom Clancy writes the book, will you add that to your reading list? <g>

Kardu
Kardu - 26 Jun 2004 16:58 GMT
> Ummm.. I realize that wheatgrass can be a great thing for people who don't
> already have a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Adrienne

Thanks for the reminder, Adrienne! Actually, the night I started all this I
would have been desperate enough to try anything at all. Thank goodness DH
slapped me back into reality. Otherwise I'd have been drinking wheatgrass
juice to detoxify after each heroin fix, all the while slapping coats of
calamine and Caladryl all over my bright red body. <g> Yeah, it was that
bad. Doing much better today after the first full night of sleep in almost
two weeks.

I did check with my Doc, and he had nothing bad to say about wheatgrass
juice for me, but cautioned that I should take it easy on my digestive
system for a while. Once I'm feeling better, try some to see what it might
do (for well or ill), then decide if it's something I'd want to take in a
crisis.

Kardu
Kardu - 26 Jun 2004 16:52 GMT
> > > Wheatgrass juice.  Preferably on an empty stomach, but you
> > > may get a bit queasy ... it's because it's sucking out all the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> and I end up posting for the first time on ... wheatgrass!
> It's really that good, I had to tell you.)

I talked to Doc and he said it might very well help detoxify, but suggested
waiting a bit before trying anything new internally until my digestive
system settles. Things are still a bit delicate on that front.

Thanks for making my itch crisis your first post!

Kardu
nik@impactwp.com - 23 Jun 2004 08:58 GMT
> Haven't. No.  Don't know. <g> Would you be satisfied with another round of
> Home Remedy Bingo?
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Kardu

Calamine lotion. And get yourself to a homeopath, now and for the next time
you 'need' antibiotics.

Nikki
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 14:53 GMT
> "Kardu" <off_ur_rocker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > I need input, please, on topical treatments for an all-body rash due to
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Nikki

I think a good homeopath would have sent me to the hospital, too.
Peritonitis isn't something most medical folks mess with lightly. <g> And
I'm able to say that with a grin because I actually got some solid sleep
last night. The itch is tolerable at this point, so another oatmeal bath,
then off to see Doc again.

Kardu
Kathy Cole - 23 Jun 2004 12:25 GMT
> Took some Benedryl and got relief for about an hour. Then it's back to
> pacing and swinging my arms so I don't scratch. I'm sleeping with oven-mitts
> on my hands.

Lanacaine or some other anti-itch cream.  Also, did you take Benadryl
pills or the spray kind?  
Kardu - 23 Jun 2004 17:43 GMT
> > Took some Benedryl and got relief for about an hour. Then it's back to
> > pacing and swinging my arms so I don't scratch. I'm sleeping with oven-mitts
> > on my hands.
>
> Lanacaine or some other anti-itch cream.  Also, did you take Benadryl
> pills or the spray kind?

Liquid.  Acts much faster than the pills.

Kardu
Geri - 24 Jun 2004 12:41 GMT
> > It is so dull around here.
> >
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>
> Kardu

I realize this is a couple of days later, but you might need a shot of
cortisone if the reaction doesn't go away.  I had a case of hives one
time that defied any home remedy, but a shot of cortisone fixed me
right up.
Kardu - 24 Jun 2004 14:41 GMT
> I realize this is a couple of days later, but you might need a shot of
> cortisone if the reaction doesn't go away.  I had a case of hives one
> time that defied any home remedy, but a shot of cortisone fixed me
> right up.

Thanks, Geri! Had that on Tuesday, plus am taking medrol orally. That's
gotten rid of the bright red skin and some of the itching, still not
handling new eruptions. I think this is one I just tough it out as best as I
can. I was on the Flagyl for 5 days before this developed so it may take as
long for resolution.

Kardu
_calinda_ - 23 Jun 2004 02:51 GMT
> It is so dull around here.
>
> Anyone buy "the book" yet?  Anyone going to see F911 on Friday?  Any
> web sites showing the latest beheading?
>
> jane

I haven't been able to get any of this out of my mind since the day
Geri posted the details of the Nick Berg's murder.  I see it in my
mind's eye constantly.

Her description was so detailed, that I might as well have seen the
damn video.  I have nightmares about it all the time now.  When my
SO is kissing my neck I have to push those thoughts away, and
sometimes it doesn't work.  That bugs me because my neck is one of
the most sensitive places on my body.  I know that sounds so damn
selfish all things considered, but there it is.
Cal~
Melissa - 23 Jun 2004 05:07 GMT
>Anyone buy "the book" yet?

It was Clinton mania in midtown today.  I was a bit scared by all the people.
Clinton having groupies is just plain WRONG!

Loved David Sedaris's new book though.

Love,
Melissa

"This virtual sand tastes just like real sand."
-Line from one of the cartoons SS watches.
Melissa - 23 Jun 2004 05:07 GMT
>Anyone going to see F911 on Friday?

I think I'm seeing it at a Fundraiser next month.
Love,
Melissa

"This virtual sand tastes just like real sand."
-Line from one of the cartoons SS watches.
rebecca - 23 Jun 2004 06:03 GMT
> Anyone buy "the book" yet?

Costco.  $19.49.  Couldn't help it, it was a bargain.  Almost 1,000 pages.
Like the poor white cheesy trash that I am, I looked up 'monica lewinsky' in
the index before Bosnia.  (Yes, I heard that on NPR.  Does poor white cheesy
trash listen to NPR?  Maybe there's hope for me yet.)  Nothing about the
dress.

It has been dull around here lately, though.

rebecca
jane - 23 Jun 2004 17:54 GMT
>Costco.  $19.49.

Wow.  I've been thinking of choosing it for my book club.  Costco is good.
1000 pages is bad.  Did you skim through enough to get an idea?

What about that Clark book?  How does that sound for a book club?  I'm looking
for political background gossip about modern times.  Some sex is always good,
but some Chechnya too.

jane
rebecca - 23 Jun 2004 19:25 GMT
> >Costco.  $19.49.
>
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> for political background gossip about modern times.  Some sex is always good,
> but some Chechnya too.

well, to be honest, although I'm a voracious reader, 1,000 pages has me a
little intimidated.  So I'm not sure, yet.  I read Hillary's book, it was
okay.  You know, what about 'Leap of Faith' by Queen Noor?  I thought it
wasn't bad, and it was from a more international/arabic POV than any of the
US ones.  Oh, I did read the Bob Woodard one about Bush, that was okay too.
No sex, that I recall, though.

rebecca
jane - 25 Jun 2004 14:08 GMT
>You know, what about 'Leap of Faith' by Queen Noor?  I thought it
>wasn't bad,

Yabbut. I don't want "wasn't bad" or "okay."  I want great.  This is my one
chance to choose.  I might go back to the Curious Incident (read that yet,
Sheila?) or  I suppose I could go with the Franken book.  Lee and Billy loved
that.

Come on, guys, if you had one chance to choose a book, what would you choose?
Maybe Sula.  I always loved Sula, My Antonia, The Heart is a Lonely Hunter,
Their Eyes Were Watching God. It's just... I don't know, I'd like something set
more in my lifetime.

What about The Tao of Physics?  

jane  
Vicki Robinson - 25 Jun 2004 14:25 GMT
In a previous article, janelaw2001@aol.com (jane) said:

>>You know, what about 'Leap of Faith' by Queen Noor?  I thought it
>>wasn't bad,
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>Sheila?) or  I suppose I could go with the Franken book.  Lee and Billy loved
>that.

So did I, and everyone else in my family.

>Come on, guys, if you had one chance to choose a book, what would you choose?
>Maybe Sula.  I always loved Sula, My Antonia, The Heart is a Lonely Hunter,
>Their Eyes Were Watching God. It's just... I don't know, I'd like something set
>more in my lifetime.

You mentioned a little politics, but I don't see that in Curious
Incident (which I liked, but didn't love).  The books by ... lemmee
see here... Alexander McCall Smith in the Ladies No. 1 Detective
Agency series are great.  ( http://tinyurl.com/yskcq )  They're about
a detective agency run by a traditional woman in Botswana, and
they're full of humor, gentle morality, cultural information and
engaging characters, written in a low-key, unobtrusive voice.  I've
read three, and I really should order _The Kalahari Typing School for
Men_.  No politics in these, though.

Vicki
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'til I wound up poor and fat.
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jane - 26 Jun 2004 15:25 GMT
>lexander McCall Smith in the Ladies No. 1 Detective
>Agency series are great

I'm going to read one of these.  I'll get back to you, V.  Thanks.

jane
Brenna2b - 25 Jun 2004 18:09 GMT
Jane asked:

>Come on, guys, if you had one chance to choose a book, what would you
choose?>>

I know you said something set more in your lifetime, so  I'd pick "The Amataur
Marriage" by Anne Tyler.  It shows the inside a marriage and family life during
the last half of the 90's like nothing else I've ever read.  

I tend to love to escape to far places and times with my reading, so the books
I've read lately are in that catagory.  I loved "The Twentieth Wife" and the
sequel "The Feast of Roses" by Indu Sundaresan, about a woman in Mogul India
who becomes one of the wives of Emperor Jahangir of the Mughal Empire in
17th-century India.  Talk about family disfunction..

I also recommend "The Other Boleyn Girl" by Phillippa Gregory about Mary Tudor,
sister to Anne Boleyn.  It gave an amazing view into the family machinations of
the Boleyn clan.  I even learned new things about Henry VIII's reign, which
I've been facinated by since since I was about 10 and first saw the old PBS
special "The Six Wives of Henry III."

Another wonderful one was "Victorine" by Catherine Texier,  which is "a steely,
delicate fictional tale of unaccounted-for years in the life of her own
great-grandmother, Victorine, who was rumored to have run off with a customs
officer in the late 1890s, leaving behind her husband and two children in
Vendee, France." (Description taken from Amazon).

Also amazing: " Sarah Dunant's gorgeous and mesmerizing novel, Birth of Venus,
draws readers into a turbulent 15th-century Florence, a time when the lavish
city, steeped in years of Medici family luxury, is suddenly besieged by plague,
threat of invasion, and the righteous wrath of a fundamentalist monk. Dunant
masterfully blends fact and fiction, seamlessly interweaving Florentine history
with the coming-of-age story of a spirited 14-year-old girl." (description
again from Amazon)

As you can see, I read alot.  Good luck on the book club choice.  I love
sharing my favorite books with others.  

brenna
jane - 26 Jun 2004 16:09 GMT
>As you can see, I read alot.

No kidding.  I'm exhausted from reading the reviews.  I am such a peasant.
None of them sound exactly right, but I'm looking forward to adding them to my
To Read stack.  

jane
Geri - 25 Jun 2004 22:54 GMT
> >You know, what about 'Leap of Faith' by Queen Noor?  I thought it
> >wasn't bad,
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>
> jane

I vote for *My Antonia* out of those choices.  Willa Cather is always
good.  I loved *O Pioneers* (though I could not stand Jessica Lange's
movie version or her for that matter).

Al Franken = too shrill and only funny as Stuart Smalley.  I have one
of his original books about Rush Limbaugh that I bought and read back
in the year I was a Democrat.  So not worth it.

Two books I plan to buy in the next week:

*Betrayal: How Union Bosses Shake Down Their Members and Corrupt
American Politics* (supposedly this book also has information on
getting back dues money from the union based on their political
contributions); *Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man*, which
looks to be entertaining.
Michelle Geary - 26 Jun 2004 00:19 GMT
> I vote for *My Antonia* out of those choices.  Willa Cather is always
> good.  I loved *O Pioneers* (though I could not stand Jessica Lange's
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> of his original books about Rush Limbaugh that I bought and read back
> in the year I was a Democrat.  So not worth it.

_The Year Geri Was A Democrat_.  That's the book you want, Jane.  Politics,
in our time, humor for sure, plus Geri's cut through the BS style...what's
not to like?

Michelle
Geri - 26 Jun 2004 11:39 GMT
> > I vote for *My Antonia* out of those choices.  Willa Cather is always
> > good.  I loved *O Pioneers* (though I could not stand Jessica Lange's
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>
> Michelle

It was only because of a guy I liked at the time (old money in Jawjah
- I don't know how he ever ended up being a Democrat.)  Lust clouds
the mind.  I voted for Clinton that year, too.  I guess we are all
entitled to a few youthful mistakes.  (I did my atonement by standing
in that line at Simi Valley for seven hours at President Reagan's
visitation.)
heather m. - 27 Jun 2004 05:10 GMT
_In Country_.  Can't remember author right now to save my life as just
walked in the door from traveling.  Set during the 80's, lots of issues with
Vietnam and the main character's issues with her uncle who was a veteran and
her late father who died there before she was born.  Add also the chick's
independence and finding herself and her life etc. etc.  I loved that book.
I think they made it into a movie a long time ago.

I also like _The Awakening_ by Kate Chopin, though it is set in a different
era.  It was waay before it's time.  I also love anything by Faulkner.

Heather

> >You know, what about 'Leap of Faith' by Queen Noor?  I thought it
> >wasn't bad,
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>
> jane
heather m. - 24 Jun 2004 04:29 GMT
I purchased the Clark book for my Dad for his bday.  He hasn't finished it
yet, though.  He reads like 5 different books at a time.

Heather

> >Costco.  $19.49.
>
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>
> jane
nik@impactwp.com - 23 Jun 2004 08:59 GMT
> It is so dull around here.
>
> Anyone buy "the book" yet?  Anyone going to see F911 on Friday?  Any web sites
> showing the latest beheading?
>
> jane

I finally read the DaVinci Code. Can't believe I've not read it before. What
a great book.

Nikki
The Watsons - 23 Jun 2004 12:45 GMT
> I finally read the DaVinci Code. Can't believe I've not read it before. What
> a great book.

reading my logic101 book, translating a paragraph into argument form, then
into propositional logic....have to do a truth table on it, and write a 3-5
paragraph essay on the truth table explaining the mechanics, overall concept
and defending the validity of the argument from the table....

and i thought this class looked "interesting" and would keep me busy over
the summer....*sighs* :)

Jess
Geri - 24 Jun 2004 12:47 GMT
> > I finally read the DaVinci Code. Can't believe I've not read it before.
>  What
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Jess

I currently have two books going:  *A Life in Letter*, which is a
compilation of letters to various people by President Reagan and the
DeToqueville book, *Democracy in America* which I have been meaning to
read for some time now.  It is actually two volumes in one book.

We saw two movies over the weekend, too.  The Stepford Wives was
awesome - very dark humor.  The clothes were amazing.  I want to be a
Stepford Wife if I could dress like that all the time.  We also saw
Dodgeball, for Father's Day.  We have not laughed so hard at a movie
since we saw Bad Santa.
Melissa - 24 Jun 2004 13:59 GMT
>We also saw
>Dodgeball, for Father's Day.  We have not laughed so hard at a movie
>since we saw Bad Santa.

I want to see Dodgeball.  Last night, for reasons I still can't explain, I sat
through Garfield with SO and SS.  It was two hours of my life that I will not
be able to get back.  They would *so* owe me except that SS spent three hours
yesterday cleaning the house with me, and it was a huge help.

Shrek 2 was really funny though.  Lots of plot holes but I was laughing to hard
to notice them much.
Love,
Melissa

"This virtual sand tastes just like real sand."
-Line from one of the cartoons SS watches.
Geri - 25 Jun 2004 02:21 GMT
> >We also saw
> >Dodgeball, for Father's Day.  We have not laughed so hard at a movie
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> be able to get back.  They would *so* owe me except that SS spent three hours
> yesterday cleaning the house with me, and it was a huge help.

I am leaving Garfield for SD's mother.  I did take her to see Raising
Helen last week and Mean Girls the week before that.
jane - 25 Jun 2004 13:41 GMT
>  I did take her to see Raising
>Helen last week

Hey, I saw that too.  Perfectly adequate movie.  

I've got to start choosing the movies I see.  Lately the only truly wonderful
thing I have seen is the trailer for Spiderman 2.  After the second time I saw
it, I went out and rented Spiderman 1 so that I can run out opening night and
understand the back story.

But Friday night is the big F911 night, and I'm going with the gang.  Will
report back.

jane
Geri - 25 Jun 2004 22:39 GMT
> I've got to start choosing the movies I see.  Lately the only truly wonderful
> thing I have seen is the trailer for Spiderman 2.  After the second time I saw
> it, I went out and rented Spiderman 1 so that I can run out opening night and
> understand the back story.

Ugh.  I hated Spiderman. I wanted to slap that dweeby kid. Brian loved
it.   That will be one for him to take SD to see as a daddy-daughter
thing.
Melissa - 26 Jun 2004 00:51 GMT
>Ugh.  I hated Spiderman. I wanted to slap that dweeby kid. Brian loved
>it.   That will be one for him to take SD to see as a daddy-daughter
>thing.

SO and I left early.
Love,
Melissa

"This virtual sand tastes just like real sand."
-Line from one of the cartoons SS watches.
Kathy Cole - 24 Jun 2004 21:57 GMT
> We saw two movies over the weekend, too.  The Stepford Wives was
> awesome - very dark humor.  The clothes were amazing.  I want to be a
> Stepford Wife if I could dress like that all the time.  We also saw
> Dodgeball, for Father's Day.  We have not laughed so hard at a movie
> since we saw Bad Santa.

Bought Badder Santa, watched it last night; completely hysterical.  I'm
sure we'll get to dodgeball eventually.
jane - 25 Jun 2004 13:32 GMT
>We saw two movies over the weekend, too.  The Stepford Wives was
>awesome - very dark humor.  

Hated it. Bad screenplay, bad directing, and can't they at least edit that
hanging mike thingy out of the final cut?

>The clothes were amazing.

This I agree with.  I was blown away by the clothes.

> I want to be a
>Stepford Wife if I could dress like that all the time.  We also saw
>Dodgeball, for Father's Day.  We have not laughed so hard at a movie
>since we saw Bad Santa.

jane
Vicki Robinson - 25 Jun 2004 14:18 GMT
In a previous article, janelaw2001@aol.com (jane) said:

>>We saw two movies over the weekend, too.  The Stepford Wives was
>>awesome - very dark humor.  
>
>Hated it. Bad screenplay, bad directing, and can't they at least edit that
>hanging mike thingy out of the final cut?

I want to see it because I like Bette Midler.  I don't think she's
that wonderful an actress (limited range; very good at one kind of
character, but don't ask her to stretch), but I love her music, and
I'll go just to see her.  I like Glenn Close too, actually.

>>The clothes were amazing.
>
>This I agree with.  I was blown away by the clothes.

Looking forward to this.

My children forced me to see the Harry Potter movie; it was OK, but I
liked pieces of the earlier movies better, although this one was,
overall, better.  The chess game in the first one was great, and the
troll in the first one would have been great if they hadn't done it
better in Lord of the Rings.  The HP movies are *very* linear, but
considering they were, after all, made for children, a certain
simplicity in construction is to be expected.

I want to see Terminal, too.  I love Tom Hanks.

V

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Just to think I used to worry about things like that.
Used to worry 'bout rich and skinny
'til I wound up poor and fat.
                                -Delbert McClinton

Geri - 25 Jun 2004 22:56 GMT
> In a previous article, janelaw2001@aol.com (jane) said:
>
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> character, but don't ask her to stretch), but I love her music, and
> I'll go just to see her.  I like Glenn Close too, actually.

When you see the movie, think of it kind of like a cartoon, only with
people in it.  People, stereotypes, etc. are very exaggerated.  That
is part of what makes it funny.  Oh, and did I mention the clothes are
to die for????
Geri - 25 Jun 2004 22:42 GMT
> >We saw two movies over the weekend, too.  The Stepford Wives was
> >awesome - very dark humor.  
>
> Hated it. Bad screenplay, bad directing, and can't they at least edit that
> hanging mike thingy out of the final cut?

None of those things mattered to me.  The clothes made the movie.
Also, it was very twisted - I like that in a movie.  Anyone going who
was expecting a remake of the original campy horror flick would be
disappointed, as well as anyone expecting it to be true to the book.

I will buy the DVD.
Melissa - 26 Jun 2004 00:52 GMT
>None of those things mattered to me.  The clothes made the movie.
>Also, it was very twisted - I like that in a movie.  Anyone going who
>was expecting a remake of the original campy horror flick would be
>disappointed, as well as anyone expecting it to be true to the book.
>
>I will buy the DVD.

You're the first person I've talked to who actually liked it.
Love,
Melissa

"This virtual sand tastes just like real sand."
-Line from one of the cartoons SS watches.
Geri - 26 Jun 2004 11:41 GMT
> >None of those things mattered to me.  The clothes made the movie.
> >Also, it was very twisted - I like that in a movie.  Anyone going who
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>
> You're the first person I've talked to who actually liked it.

I can see why a lot of people wouldn't get it.  You have to have a
certain sense of humor to get it.
jane - 26 Jun 2004 07:10 GMT
> Anyone going who
>was expecting a remake of the original campy horror flick would be
>disappointed, as well as anyone expecting it to be true to the book.

I'll tell you what pissed me off.  It wasn't true to itself.  It wasn't comedy
or horror or camp or dark social commentary.  It hopped around.  I can't figure
out whether the actors had any direction at all; each tended to be consistent,
but they all seemed to have a different idea of what kind of movie they were
in.  

jane
Geri - 26 Jun 2004 11:43 GMT
> > Anyone going who
> >was expecting a remake of the original campy horror flick would be
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> jane

At least it didn't try to pass itself off as a documentary.  In any
case, the clothes were totally worth seeing the money for.
Wendy - 23 Jun 2004 19:19 GMT
> I finally read the DaVinci Code. Can't believe I've not read it before. What
> a great book.

I'm reading A Prayer for Owen Meanie at the moment which I'm enjoying quite
a lot.
What's DaVinci Code about?

Wendy
nik@impactwp.com - 24 Jun 2004 08:37 GMT
> > I finally read the DaVinci Code. Can't believe I've not read it before.
> What
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Wendy

I was going to type it up but here you go, saves me the bother!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0552149519/ref=ed_best_h_2/202-3132185-
9755800


Nikki
Wendy - 24 Jun 2004 16:56 GMT
> I was going to type it up but here you go, saves me the bother!

Okay, thanks.
Wendy
S&W - 24 Jun 2004 01:18 GMT
> I finally read the DaVinci Code. Can't believe I've not read it before. What
> a great book.

oh, I loved that book!  have you read angels & demons by dan brown?  very
good, too.  I just recently finished that and Deception Point.  Wayne is
reading Digital Fortress, which he says is also quite good.
Should I be embarassed to say i am reading The Sweetest Sin, an historical
romance novel?  It's about feuding Scots who are passionately drawn to one
another.  Ahh, my favorite summertime read-- I like 'em full of sex.  I
think this one might be a little tame.

shay
Geri - 24 Jun 2004 12:38 GMT
> It is so dull around here.  
>
> Anyone buy "the book" yet?  Anyone going to see F911 on Friday?  Any web sites
> showing the latest beheading?
>
> jane

Not going to buy the book.  Certainly not going to subsidize the movie
(Dodgeball was most certainly better.) and www.ogrish.com has all of
the beheading films and pictures.
jane - 25 Jun 2004 15:11 GMT
>Certainly not going to subsidize the movie
>(Dodgeball was most certainly better.)

Not having seen both, you lack credibility.

jane
Melissa - 25 Jun 2004 15:23 GMT
>>Certainly not going to subsidize the movie
>>(Dodgeball was most certainly better.)
>
>Not having seen both, you lack credibility.
>
>jane

She did like Bad Santa though.

Love,
Melissa

"This virtual sand tastes just like real sand."
-Line from one of the cartoons SS watches.
Geri - 25 Jun 2004 22:37 GMT
> She did like Bad Santa though.

Buying the DVD this weekend, if I can find it.  It is a Christmas classic.
Geri - 25 Jun 2004 22:37 GMT
> She did like Bad Santa though.

Buying the DVD this weekend, if I can find it.  It is a Christmas classic.
Geri - 25 Jun 2004 22:35 GMT
> >Certainly not going to subsidize the movie
> >(Dodgeball was most certainly better.)
>
> Not having seen both, you lack credibility.
>
> jane

Wow, you must be bored!
Geri - 26 Jun 2004 11:47 GMT
> > >Certainly not going to subsidize the movie
> > >(Dodgeball was most certainly better.)
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>
> Wow, you must be bored!

Jane, since every now and then I can be a compassionate conservative
(HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!) I herewith submit for your entertainment
pleasure and boredom relief:  The Conspiracy Theory Generator:

http://www.buttafly.com/bush/index.php
jane - 26 Jun 2004 15:20 GMT
>> > >Certainly not going to subsidize the movie
>> > >(Dodgeball was most certainly better.)
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>http://www.buttafly.com/bush/index.php

Thanks, but my point was that you can't tell which movie is better if you've
only seen one.  You're the big Dark Humor fan; you can't beat Michael Moore
there.  You might enjoy it.

jane
Geri - 26 Jun 2004 23:32 GMT
> >> > >Certainly not going to subsidize the movie
> >> > >(Dodgeball was most certainly better.)
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> only seen one.  You're the big Dark Humor fan; you can't beat Michael Moore
> there.  You might enjoy it.

I have so many other movies ahead of it on my list to see.  I plan to
see "The Notebook" this weekend or Monday.  I read the story so many
years ago I have nearly forgotted what it was about, but I remember I
liked it.   I watched the trailer and it looks like a total chick
flick - something I rarely indulge in.  Plus, I am looking forward to
"I, Robot", even though the only thing it supposedly has in common
with either the book or the original movie is the title.  Who cares -
I like Will Smith and I like anything about robots (which were my
personal bugaboo as a child).
 
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