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Katikins - 02 Jun 2005 08:18 GMT
I havnt gotten along with my step mother ever since the beginning. i tryed
to make it work over the past 3 years and it did begin to work out the
last year and a half - 2 years. recently her and i got into another
argument but now she tells me not to try to contact her anymore.
She always makes me feel like she is better than me, and she always tells
me how i feel is wrong... feelings arent wrong.
I told her once i wanted to take my dad out to eat alone some time so we
could have time to talk, since my step mother and I gone out to eat alone
several times by ourselves why is it okay for her and i to go out to eat
alone but not just my dad and I? she said to me when i told her i wanted
to take him out to eat... "oh, well you have to discuss that with him
since i am not invited."
then in a conversation about 8 months ago, i wanted to know why my dad
never wore my mom and his wedding ring (concidering they were married 30
years) and she told me i was out of line for asking. just recently i
brought up that again and she said "you think he is going to wear a ring
from another marriage" "you wont ever see him wearing it now. sorry."
(my mom passed away from breast cancer 3.5 years ago.)
my step mother always says she isnt trying to replace my mother but
obviously she is pissed and jealous because i wont except her as my
mother.
She was pissed off at me because i didnt send her a mothers day card. she
isnt my mother and i am still angry about the situation. it was lies ever
since the beginning, ever since she walked into my dads life not even 6
months after my mom passed away. She always said if i ever needed to spend
time with my dad alone that would happen and the same goes for her and her
daughter. i never got say in whether or not i wanted to spend time with
him alone, she would always get pissed if he didnt go over there. one
night he did stay home because her daughter wanted to spend time with her
alone. but could i have that NO! then another lie was that he wasnt going
to get married or move out until i graduated from high school, he did move
out 3 months before i graduated and 2 months after my bestfriend ever
since the crib died. he knew i was going through an even more rough time
and he just up's and abandons me like that. I've expressed how i felt
several times but it always turns into an argument.
after she said "you wouldnt ever see him wearing my mom and his wedding
ring now. sorry" i called her a b*$#h and told her if she was my mother i
would have taken my life by now. she told me not to try and contact her
again.

can someone please give me advise me i don't know what to do anymore. for
one she is supposed to be a nurse and should know better not to push
suicidal peoples "buttons" (i was then i am not anymore), and you dont
just leave your 17 year old daughter and 19 year old son to fend for
themselves(march 2003). especially after your 16 year old daughter just
lost her mother just over a year before that and then losing her
bestfriend 2 months before that.
i know men heal faster than others but come on now, i can not see how you
can be married to someone for 30 years and have a fiancee 6 months later.

i dont really care too much about having a relationship with her, i want
to have a relationship with my dad. but i cant see or really talk to my
dad with out going through her or her being there. its kinda like she is
paranoid he is going to leave her and come back to me or maybe she is
paranoid i am going to talk "trash" behind her back and not in front of
her face. and some of the things my dad has done makes me wonder if he
ever really wanted me or if he really doesnt want to have anything to do
with me but lets not get into that. (you welcome)
if anyone has any advise maybe on how to apologize first if she doesnt
take sorry for an answer and not kissing up either and i wont tell her she
is right. and some advise on how to get along better with her.  
The Watsons - 02 Jun 2005 18:52 GMT
> I told her once i wanted to take my dad out to eat alone some time so we
> could have time to talk, since my step mother and I gone out to eat alone
> several times by ourselves why is it okay for her and i to go out to eat
> alone but not just my dad and I? she said to me when i told her i wanted
> to take him out to eat... "oh, well you have to discuss that with him
> since i am not invited."

What did your father say?

> then in a conversation about 8 months ago, i wanted to know why my dad
> never wore my mom and his wedding ring (concidering they were married 30
> years) and she told me i was out of line for asking. just recently i
> brought up that again and she said "you think he is going to wear a ring
> from another marriage" "you wont ever see him wearing it now. sorry."
> (my mom passed away from breast cancer 3.5 years ago.)

I think she was a bit snarky in the way she addressed it, but the choice to
wear his wedding band from your mother is entirely up to him. Some do, some
don't.

> She was pissed off at me because i didnt send her a mothers day card. she
> isnt my mother and i am still angry about the situation. it was lies ever
> since the beginning, ever since she walked into my dads life not even 6
> months after my mom passed away.

Sounds to me like you're a bit angry with your father, but I will point out
something to you from *my* experience. Cancer doesn't affect just one
person, it affects the entire family. Granted, it may have only been six
months since she died and he was engaged, but you have to look at the whole
picture from his perspective.

In my case, my first husband was diagnosed with colon cancer. The typical
survival time is six months from the date of diagnosis, and he lived nine on
an experimental chemo routine. While he was actively doing chemo for nine
months, he'd been showing symptoms for easily six months before he was
diagnosed. All total, I had to face the possibility of him dying for fifteen
months. By the time he died, I'd finished the majority of my grieving, and
it was about the six month mark that I was able to face the possibility of
dating.

You don't face that possibility day in and day out for months without
preparing for the worst to happen, which it sounds like your father did;
it's fairly common for the family of someone terminally ill to go through
some grieving in advance, as a matter of fact.

To you, it may have only been six months. To him, it's been much, much
longer. And consider it a tribute to your mother-he was happy enough with
your mother that he's secure enough to love someone else too. He won't ever
stop loving your mother, but he's paying her a compliment by loving someone
else.

>She always said if i ever needed to spend
> time with my dad alone that would happen and the same goes for her and her
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> and he just up's and abandons me like that. I've expressed how i felt
> several times but it always turns into an argument.

This isn't her fault-this is between you and your father. She isn't
responsible for his relationship with you, you and your father are. You need
to talk with your father about this.

> after she said "you wouldnt ever see him wearing my mom and his wedding
> ring now. sorry" i called her a b*$#h and told her if she was my mother i
> would have taken my life by now. she told me not to try and contact her
> again.

Well, calling her a bitch perhaps wasn't the most tactful way to handle
that, but I'm not one for tact either. ;) I will point out that just like
your relationship with your father is between you and him, their marriage is
between the two of them and asking *her* about him wearing a symbol of his
last marriage was a bit out of line.

> can someone please give me advise me i don't know what to do anymore. for
> one she is supposed to be a nurse and should know better not to push
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lost her mother just over a year before that and then losing her
> bestfriend 2 months before that.

You need to address this with your father. It is ok to be upset if you think
he lied to you and abandoned you and your brother, but none of that has
anything to do with his wife. Those actions are all him and his choices.

> i know men heal faster than others but come on now, i can not see how you
> can be married to someone for 30 years and have a fiancee 6 months later.

Has nothing to do with men and women healing faster. Has to do with him
doing a lot of grieving before your mother died.

> i dont really care too much about having a relationship with her, i want
> to have a relationship with my dad. but i cant see or really talk to my
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ever really wanted me or if he really doesnt want to have anything to do
> with me but lets not get into that. (you welcome)

You need to discuss this with him, and yes, his wife might get upset, but
it's his problem to deal with.

> if anyone has any advise maybe on how to apologize first if she doesnt
> take sorry for an answer and not kissing up either and i wont tell her she
> is right. and some advise on how to get along better with her.

A card with a simple line of "I'm sorry I've been insulting and
disrespectful to you" might be a good start.

Good luck.

Jess
Katikins - 02 Jun 2005 20:53 GMT
(caps arent meant for yelling its just so the replying person can see the
answers)
> I told her once i wanted to take my dad out to eat alone some time so we
> could have time to talk, since my step mother and I gone out to eat alone
> several times by ourselves why is it okay for her and i to go out to eat
> alone but not just my dad and I? she said to me when i told her i wanted
> to take him out to eat... "oh, well you have to discuss that with him
> since i am not invited."

What did your father say?
MY DAD DIDNT SAY ANYTHING, HE NEVER DOES. SHE PRETTY MUCH DOES ALL THE
TALKING FOR HIM. WE GET TOGETHER EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND TALK AND WHEN I
ADDRESS A QUESTION TO HIM HE IS QUIET FOR A LIL BIT BEFORE HE ANSWERS AND
BEFORE HE CAN ANSWER SHE DOES IT FOR HIM.

> then in a conversation about 8 months ago, i wanted to know why my dad
> never wore my mom and his wedding ring (concidering they were married 30
> years) and she told me i was out of line for asking. just recently i
> brought up that again and she said "you think he is going to wear a ring
> from another marriage" "you wont ever see him wearing it now. sorry."
> (my mom passed away from breast cancer 3.5 years ago.)

I think she was a bit snarky in the way she addressed it, but the choice
to
wear his wedding band from your mother is entirely up to him. Some do,
some
don't.
THE QUESTION WAS DIRECTED AT MY FATHER I WANTED TO KNOW WHY HE NEVER WORE
IT BEFORE EVER. AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHY HE WEARS MY STEP=MOTHERS ALL THE
TIME NOW. IS IT BECAUSE SHE MAKES HIM OR SHE IS TOO INSECURE IF HE DOESNT
WEAR IT.
> She was pissed off at me because i didnt send her a mothers day card. she
> isnt my mother and i am still angry about the situation. it was lies ever
> since the beginning, ever since she walked into my dads life not even 6
> months after my mom passed away.

Sounds to me like you're a bit angry with your father, but I will point
out
something to you from *my* experience. Cancer doesn't affect just one
person, it affects the entire family. Granted, it may have only been six
months since she died and he was engaged, but you have to look at the
whole
picture from his perspective.
I KNOW HE WAS GRIEVING MY MOM BEFORE SHE DIED BUT I DONT THINK HE EVER
THOUGHT IT WOULDVE BEEN SO SOON.
In my case, my first husband was diagnosed with colon cancer. The typical

survival time is six months from the date of diagnosis, and he lived nine
on
an experimental chemo routine. While he was actively doing chemo for nine

months, he'd been showing symptoms for easily six months before he was
diagnosed. All total, I had to face the possibility of him dying for
fifteen
months. By the time he died, I'd finished the majority of my grieving,
and

it was about the six month mark that I was able to face the possibility
of

dating.

You don't face that possibility day in and day out for months without
preparing for the worst to happen, which it sounds like your father did;
it's fairly common for the family of someone terminally ill to go through

some grieving in advance, as a matter of fact.

To you, it may have only been six months. To him, it's been much, much
longer. And consider it a tribute to your mother-he was happy enough with

your mother that he's secure enough to love someone else too. He won't
ever
stop loving your mother, but he's paying her a compliment by loving
someone
else.
I THINK MY DAD WAS JUST TOO LONELY AND NEEDED A FEMALE FIGURE IN HIS LIFE
THAT WOULD DO MORE THAN I POSSIBLY COULD. MY MOM DIED WHEN I WAS 16 AND I
HAD TO TAKE OVER EVERYTHING SHE DID PRETTY MUCH LIKE LAUNDRY, COOKING,
CLEANING AND MAKING SURE HE HAD HIS LUNCH EVERYDAY.

>She always said if i ever needed to spend
> time with my dad alone that would happen and the same goes for her and her
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> and he just up's and abandons me like that. I've expressed how i felt
> several times but it always turns into an argument.

This isn't her fault-this is between you and your father. She isn't
responsible for his relationship with you, you and your father are. You
need
to talk with your father about this.
I KNOW ITS NOT HER FAULT, BUT I CANT HAVE ANY TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH MY
DAD UNLESS SHE IS THERE TOO OR SHE WILL BE REALLY PISSED OFF. I HATE
FIGHTING WITH HER AND THATS PRETTY MUCH WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF THE TIME.
THINGS WERE GETTING BETTER AND SHE IS TOO STUBBORN OF A WOMAN TO CHANGE.
WHEN SHE CAME INTO HIS LIFE EVERYTHING WAS RAN HER WAY, I WAS BROUGHT UP
IN THE WAY OF IF YOU WANT TO GO VISIT A FAMILY MEMBER YOU JUST SHOW UP,
SHE WANTS YOU TO CALL FIRST AND A MAJORITY OF THE TIME I WOULD CALL TO
COME VISIT THEY WERE ALWAYS TOO BUSY FOR ME. IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN
BETWEEN THE 2 OF THEM LIKE IF THEY BROKE UP I DONT THINK I WOULD BE ABLE
TO FULLY ACCEPT MY DAD BACK IN MY LIFE SINCE HE HAS NOT SPOKEN A WORD TO
MY OTHER 2 BROTHERS AND SISTER IN OVER A YEAR. THEY HAVE TRYED TO GET IN
TOUCH WITH HIM AND HE NEVER RETURNS THEIR CALLS, HIS WIFE WILL GET PISSED
OFF IF HE DOES CALL THEM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE
LIVING AT HOME. JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDNT ACT LIKE HER KIDS DOESNT MEAN SHE
SHOULD JUST SHUT THEM OUT OF HER AND HIS LIFE.
> after she said "you wouldnt ever see him wearing my mom and his wedding
> ring now. sorry" i called her a b*$#h and told her if she was my mother i
> would have taken my life by now. she told me not to try and contact her
> again.

Well, calling her a bitch perhaps wasn't the most tactful way to handle
that, but I'm not one for tact either. ;) I will point out that just like

your relationship with your father is between you and him, their marriage
is
between the two of them and asking *her* about him wearing a symbol of
his

last marriage was a bit out of line.
I DIDNT ASK HER ABOUT HIS WEARING A SYMBOL OF HIS LAS MARRIAGE, I WANTED
TO KNOW WHY HE NEVER WORE IT BEFORE HE GOT REMARRIED WHY HE NEVER WORE IT
BEFORE MY MOM PASSED AWAY. I ASKED BECAUSE IT BOTHERS ME AND IT HAS FOR
THE PASSED 2 YEARS SINCE THEY GOT MARRIED.
> can someone please give me advise me i don't know what to do anymore. for
> one she is supposed to be a nurse and should know better not to push
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lost her mother just over a year before that and then losing her
> bestfriend 2 months before that.

You need to address this with your father. It is ok to be upset if you
think
he lied to you and abandoned you and your brother, but none of that has
anything to do with his wife. Those actions are all him and his choices.
IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH HIS WIFE, I WAS REALLY ANGRY AND DEPRESSED AFTER
LOSING MY MOTHER THEN I LOSE MY BESTFRIEND A YEAR AND 3 MONTHS AFTER I
LOST MY MOM AND BECAME MORE ANGRY, SHE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST IF HE
WOULD LEAVE AND MOVE IN WITH HER. EVEN I KNOW YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO LEAVE
AN ANGRY DEPRESSED TEENAGER ALONE.
> i know men heal faster than others but come on now, i can not see how you
> can be married to someone for 30 years and have a fiancee 6 months later.

Has nothing to do with men and women healing faster. Has to do with him
doing a lot of grieving before your mother died.

> i dont really care too much about having a relationship with her, i want
> to have a relationship with my dad. but i cant see or really talk to my
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ever really wanted me or if he really doesnt want to have anything to do
> with me but lets not get into that. (you welcome)

You need to discuss this with him, and yes, his wife might get upset, but

it's his problem to deal with.
BECAUSE EVERY TIME I ASK WHAT MAKES HIM STAY WITH HER, AND HOW HE STAND
THE WAY SHE TREATS HIM AND HIS SIDE OF THE FAMILY OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE
LINES HE TAKES OFFENSE TO IT AND SEEMS TO BOTTLE UP AND NOT WANT TO SAY
ANYTHING. IF YOU ASKED ME I THINK HE REALLY DOESNT LOVE HER AND IS JUST
WITH HER TO SHARE HIS LIFE WITH HER.
> if anyone has any advise maybe on how to apologize first if she doesnt
> take sorry for an answer and not kissing up either and i wont tell her she
> is right. and some advise on how to get along better with her.

A card with a simple line of "I'm sorry I've been insulting and
disrespectful to you" might be a good start.

THANKYOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS JESS.

THANKYOU,
Katikins
The Watsons - 02 Jun 2005 22:03 GMT
> MY DAD DIDNT SAY ANYTHING, HE NEVER DOES. SHE PRETTY MUCH DOES ALL THE
> TALKING FOR HIM. WE GET TOGETHER EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND TALK AND WHEN I
> ADDRESS A QUESTION TO HIM HE IS QUIET FOR A LIL BIT BEFORE HE ANSWERS AND
> BEFORE HE CAN ANSWER SHE DOES IT FOR HIM.

Then you need to *politely* tell your father that you're not interested in getting together with her, and that *he* needs to answer your questions, not her.

> THE QUESTION WAS DIRECTED AT MY FATHER I WANTED TO KNOW WHY HE NEVER WORE
> IT BEFORE EVER. AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHY HE WEARS MY STEP=MOTHERS ALL THE
> TIME NOW. IS IT BECAUSE SHE MAKES HIM OR SHE IS TOO INSECURE IF HE DOESNT
> WEAR IT.

Difference in the relationship? Still not really any of your business, beyond him loving your mother.

> I KNOW HE WAS GRIEVING MY MOM BEFORE SHE DIED BUT I DONT THINK HE EVER
> THOUGHT IT WOULDVE BEEN SO SOON.

You're never completely prepared for it to happen until it actually does, but when it does, you can deal with it quicker.

> I THINK MY DAD WAS JUST TOO LONELY AND NEEDED A FEMALE FIGURE IN HIS LIFE
> THAT WOULD DO MORE THAN I POSSIBLY COULD. MY MOM DIED WHEN I WAS 16 AND I
> HAD TO TAKE OVER EVERYTHING SHE DID PRETTY MUCH LIKE LAUNDRY, COOKING,
> CLEANING AND MAKING SURE HE HAD HIS LUNCH EVERYDAY.

Maybe, but that's his issue to cope with. I can understand you don't like his wife and you're coping with losing your mother and best friend at pretty much the same time, but he's not going to grieve at the same rate you are. Also understand that the grief never really goes away-you just get used to it and you learn how to cope better when it does hit, but it's always there.

> I KNOW ITS NOT HER FAULT, BUT I CANT HAVE ANY TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH MY
> DAD UNLESS SHE IS THERE TOO OR SHE WILL BE REALLY PISSED OFF.

Ok, but that's still between you and your father. You really need to be blunt with your father-"this is our relationship, and I really resent your wife interfering in our relationship to the extent that she is and not allowing us to have any private conversations. I would like to be able to talk to you without her around because I feel we have some issues we need to work through that don't involve her."

>I HATE
> FIGHTING WITH HER AND THATS PRETTY MUCH WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF THE TIME.
> THINGS WERE GETTING BETTER AND SHE IS TOO STUBBORN OF A WOMAN TO CHANGE.

I've heard it's one of those things that happens as you get older.

> WHEN SHE CAME INTO HIS LIFE EVERYTHING WAS RAN HER WAY, I WAS BROUGHT UP
> IN THE WAY OF IF YOU WANT TO GO VISIT A FAMILY MEMBER YOU JUST SHOW UP,
> SHE WANTS YOU TO CALL FIRST AND A MAJORITY OF THE TIME I WOULD CALL TO
> COME VISIT THEY WERE ALWAYS TOO BUSY FOR ME.

FWIW, I was raised the same way, and that's a standard procedure at my house-if you don't call first and we happen to be out or otherwise occupied, well, you're SOL.

>IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN
> BETWEEN THE 2 OF THEM LIKE IF THEY BROKE UP I DONT THINK I WOULD BE ABLE
> TO FULLY ACCEPT MY DAD BACK IN MY LIFE SINCE HE HAS NOT SPOKEN A WORD TO
> MY OTHER 2 BROTHERS AND SISTER IN OVER A YEAR.

That's between them. You're spending a lot of effort and energy trying to manage other people's relationships and yours with your father seems to be on shaky ground. Let go of what you can't control.

>THEY HAVE TRYED TO GET IN
> TOUCH WITH HIM AND HE NEVER RETURNS THEIR CALLS, HIS WIFE WILL GET PISSED
> OFF IF HE DOES CALL THEM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE
> LIVING AT HOME. JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDNT ACT LIKE HER KIDS DOESNT MEAN SHE
> SHOULD JUST SHUT THEM OUT OF HER AND HIS LIFE.

Ok, look-this is a point I've been trying to gently get across.

You have to respect and accept her as *his wife*. That does not automatically grant her a relationship with you or any of your siblings. What happens with you, your siblings, and ya'lls father is between ya'll and your father-not her. I understand where she's coming from, but I can't give her advice because she's not here.

> I DIDNT ASK HER ABOUT HIS WEARING A SYMBOL OF HIS LAS MARRIAGE, I WANTED
> TO KNOW WHY HE NEVER WORE IT BEFORE HE GOT REMARRIED WHY HE NEVER WORE IT
> BEFORE MY MOM PASSED AWAY. I ASKED BECAUSE IT BOTHERS ME AND IT HAS FOR
> THE PASSED 2 YEARS SINCE THEY GOT MARRIED.

Ok, here's a parallax for you.

The entire time my husband was going through chemo, he didn't qualify for a nursing home or a home health aide. I was *it* for most of the nine months-his parents came down and helped as they could, but there was only so much the two of them could do at their ages and with their health problems. When my husband fouled the bed at one o clock in the morning, it didn't matter if I'd been up since 4 that morning, had just gotten to bed myself and had to be up in three hours-I had to help him out of bed, get him cleaned up and established on the couch and get the sheets into the wash. And I couldn't call off-I might need the vacation time later, and we couldn't afford for me to take time off anyways.

When I got up at 4 in the morning (assuming I'd slept), I was usually setting out whatever medications for that day, getting his meals for that day set up, setting up his spot on the couch so he had water, his barf bin, his meds, throat lozenges, and whatever else he might need, and I usually got to eat breakfast at work, if I got time at all.

When I got home in the afternoon, I was the one worrying about how to pay all the bills on just my income, the one doing the dishes and yard work and laundry (including whatever had been fouled) and getting dinner made by a certain time frame because he had to take his chemo at a certain time. Lunch was usually leftovers or a sandwich on the go. If we had his daughter for the weekend, I was the one doing the logistics of visitation and the parenting too.

And depending on how rough the chemo cycle was, he usually needed help getting to the bathroom or getting a shower or sitting up to eat. There were days he had trouble even speaking or drinking from a cup.

You can only go through so much of that before you start to detach, become more clinical. Your spouse starts to turn into more and more of a patient, and you have to keep detaching to function, because otherwise, the emotional pain is going to cripple you and you don't have time to be crippled.

My husband went from 182 pounds and the type of vital, vivacious, strong man that went hiking and camping with me to a 95 pound man that couldn't get off the couch without help and was bitterly angry and resentful of his weakness, and lashed out at whoever was handy some days. There were days I looked at him and didn't recognize him as my husband anymore.

It's entirely possible that your father went through the same thing and didn't know how to cope with it. I was lucky in that one of my husband's nurses also had a degree in counseling, so if things got rough, I had someone who could help me.

> IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH HIS WIFE, I WAS REALLY ANGRY AND DEPRESSED AFTER
> LOSING MY MOTHER THEN I LOSE MY BESTFRIEND A YEAR AND 3 MONTHS AFTER I
> LOST MY MOM AND BECAME MORE ANGRY, SHE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST IF HE
> WOULD LEAVE AND MOVE IN WITH HER. EVEN I KNOW YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO LEAVE
> AN ANGRY DEPRESSED TEENAGER ALONE.

Ok, but him moving in with her was still his choice. I seriously doubt she held a gun to his head to make him move in with her.

> BECAUSE EVERY TIME I ASK WHAT MAKES HIM STAY WITH HER, AND HOW HE STAND
> THE WAY SHE TREATS HIM AND HIS SIDE OF THE FAMILY OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE
> LINES HE TAKES OFFENSE TO IT AND SEEMS TO BOTTLE UP AND NOT WANT TO SAY
> ANYTHING. IF YOU ASKED ME I THINK HE REALLY DOESNT LOVE HER AND IS JUST
> WITH HER TO SHARE HIS LIFE WITH HER.

You know what, *why* he stays with her really isn't your business either, and you asking for those details is likely to piss him off and make him unwilling to communicate with you. Your issues are with how he's treated *you*, not with her, and you need to leave her out of it if you expect to get anywhere with him.

> THANKYOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS JESS.

NP.

Consider using a newsreader so you can quote without having to use caps, too. There are some people here with some excellent perspectives, but they might or might not be able to read something in all caps.

Jess
Katikins - 02 Jun 2005 20:58 GMT
(caps arent meant for yelling its just so the replying person can see the
answers)
> I told her once i wanted to take my dad out to eat alone some time so we
> could have time to talk, since my step mother and I gone out to eat alone
> several times by ourselves why is it okay for her and i to go out to eat
> alone but not just my dad and I? she said to me when i told her i wanted
> to take him out to eat... "oh, well you have to discuss that with him
> since i am not invited."

What did your father say?
MY DAD DIDNT SAY ANYTHING, HE NEVER DOES. SHE PRETTY MUCH DOES ALL THE
TALKING FOR HIM. WE GET TOGETHER EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND TALK AND WHEN I
ADDRESS A QUESTION TO HIM HE IS QUIET FOR A LIL BIT BEFORE HE ANSWERS AND
BEFORE HE CAN ANSWER SHE DOES IT FOR HIM.

> then in a conversation about 8 months ago, i wanted to know why my dad
> never wore my mom and his wedding ring (concidering they were married 30
> years) and she told me i was out of line for asking. just recently i
> brought up that again and she said "you think he is going to wear a ring
> from another marriage" "you wont ever see him wearing it now. sorry."
> (my mom passed away from breast cancer 3.5 years ago.)

I think she was a bit snarky in the way she addressed it, but the choice
to
wear his wedding band from your mother is entirely up to him. Some do,
some
don't.
THE QUESTION WAS DIRECTED AT MY FATHER I WANTED TO KNOW WHY HE NEVER WORE
IT BEFORE EVER. AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHY HE WEARS MY STEP=MOTHERS ALL THE
TIME NOW. IS IT BECAUSE SHE MAKES HIM OR SHE IS TOO INSECURE IF HE DOESNT
WEAR IT.
> She was pissed off at me because i didnt send her a mothers day card. she
> isnt my mother and i am still angry about the situation. it was lies ever
> since the beginning, ever since she walked into my dads life not even 6
> months after my mom passed away.

Sounds to me like you're a bit angry with your father, but I will point
out
something to you from *my* experience. Cancer doesn't affect just one
person, it affects the entire family. Granted, it may have only been six
months since she died and he was engaged, but you have to look at the
whole
picture from his perspective.
I KNOW HE WAS GRIEVING MY MOM BEFORE SHE DIED BUT I DONT THINK HE EVER
THOUGHT IT WOULDVE BEEN SO SOON.
In my case, my first husband was diagnosed with colon cancer. The typical

survival time is six months from the date of diagnosis, and he lived nine
on
an experimental chemo routine. While he was actively doing chemo for nine

months, he'd been showing symptoms for easily six months before he was
diagnosed. All total, I had to face the possibility of him dying for
fifteen
months. By the time he died, I'd finished the majority of my grieving,
and

it was about the six month mark that I was able to face the possibility
of

dating.

You don't face that possibility day in and day out for months without
preparing for the worst to happen, which it sounds like your father did;
it's fairly common for the family of someone terminally ill to go through

some grieving in advance, as a matter of fact.

To you, it may have only been six months. To him, it's been much, much
longer. And consider it a tribute to your mother-he was happy enough with

your mother that he's secure enough to love someone else too. He won't
ever
stop loving your mother, but he's paying her a compliment by loving
someone
else.
I THINK MY DAD WAS JUST TOO LONELY AND NEEDED A FEMALE FIGURE IN HIS LIFE
THAT WOULD DO MORE THAN I POSSIBLY COULD. MY MOM DIED WHEN I WAS 16 AND I
HAD TO TAKE OVER EVERYTHING SHE DID PRETTY MUCH LIKE LAUNDRY, COOKING,
CLEANING AND MAKING SURE HE HAD HIS LUNCH EVERYDAY.

>She always said if i ever needed to spend
> time with my dad alone that would happen and the same goes for her and her
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> and he just up's and abandons me like that. I've expressed how i felt
> several times but it always turns into an argument.

This isn't her fault-this is between you and your father. She isn't
responsible for his relationship with you, you and your father are. You
need
to talk with your father about this.
I KNOW ITS NOT HER FAULT, BUT I CANT HAVE ANY TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH MY
DAD UNLESS SHE IS THERE TOO OR SHE WILL BE REALLY PISSED OFF. I HATE
FIGHTING WITH HER AND THATS PRETTY MUCH WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF THE TIME.
THINGS WERE GETTING BETTER AND SHE IS TOO STUBBORN OF A WOMAN TO CHANGE.
WHEN SHE CAME INTO HIS LIFE EVERYTHING WAS RAN HER WAY, I WAS BROUGHT UP
IN THE WAY OF IF YOU WANT TO GO VISIT A FAMILY MEMBER YOU JUST SHOW UP,
SHE WANTS YOU TO CALL FIRST AND A MAJORITY OF THE TIME I WOULD CALL TO
COME VISIT THEY WERE ALWAYS TOO BUSY FOR ME. IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN
BETWEEN THE 2 OF THEM LIKE IF THEY BROKE UP I DONT THINK I WOULD BE ABLE
TO FULLY ACCEPT MY DAD BACK IN MY LIFE SINCE HE HAS NOT SPOKEN A WORD TO
MY OTHER 2 BROTHERS AND SISTER IN OVER A YEAR. THEY HAVE TRYED TO GET IN
TOUCH WITH HIM AND HE NEVER RETURNS THEIR CALLS, HIS WIFE WILL GET PISSED
OFF IF HE DOES CALL THEM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE
LIVING AT HOME. JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDNT ACT LIKE HER KIDS DOESNT MEAN SHE
SHOULD JUST SHUT THEM OUT OF HER AND HIS LIFE.
> after she said "you wouldnt ever see him wearing my mom and his wedding
> ring now. sorry" i called her a b*$#h and told her if she was my mother i
> would have taken my life by now. she told me not to try and contact her
> again.

Well, calling her a bitch perhaps wasn't the most tactful way to handle
that, but I'm not one for tact either. ;) I will point out that just like

your relationship with your father is between you and him, their marriage
is
between the two of them and asking *her* about him wearing a symbol of
his

last marriage was a bit out of line.
I DIDNT ASK HER ABOUT HIS WEARING A SYMBOL OF HIS LAS MARRIAGE, I WANTED
TO KNOW WHY HE NEVER WORE IT BEFORE HE GOT REMARRIED WHY HE NEVER WORE IT
BEFORE MY MOM PASSED AWAY. I ASKED BECAUSE IT BOTHERS ME AND IT HAS FOR
THE PASSED 2 YEARS SINCE THEY GOT MARRIED.
> can someone please give me advise me i don't know what to do anymore. for
> one she is supposed to be a nurse and should know better not to push
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lost her mother just over a year before that and then losing her
> bestfriend 2 months before that.

You need to address this with your father. It is ok to be upset if you
think
he lied to you and abandoned you and your brother, but none of that has
anything to do with his wife. Those actions are all him and his choices.
IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH HIS WIFE, I WAS REALLY ANGRY AND DEPRESSED AFTER
LOSING MY MOTHER THEN I LOSE MY BESTFRIEND A YEAR AND 3 MONTHS AFTER I
LOST MY MOM AND BECAME MORE ANGRY, SHE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST IF HE
WOULD LEAVE AND MOVE IN WITH HER. EVEN I KNOW YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO LEAVE
AN ANGRY DEPRESSED TEENAGER ALONE.
> i know men heal faster than others but come on now, i can not see how you
> can be married to someone for 30 years and have a fiancee 6 months later.

Has nothing to do with men and women healing faster. Has to do with him
doing a lot of grieving before your mother died.

> i dont really care too much about having a relationship with her, i want
> to have a relationship with my dad. but i cant see or really talk to my
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ever really wanted me or if he really doesnt want to have anything to do
> with me but lets not get into that. (you welcome)

You need to discuss this with him, and yes, his wife might get upset, but

it's his problem to deal with.
BECAUSE EVERY TIME I ASK WHAT MAKES HIM STAY WITH HER, AND HOW HE STAND
THE WAY SHE TREATS HIM AND HIS SIDE OF THE FAMILY OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE
LINES HE TAKES OFFENSE TO IT AND SEEMS TO BOTTLE UP AND NOT WANT TO SAY
ANYTHING. IF YOU ASKED ME I THINK HE REALLY DOESNT LOVE HER AND IS JUST
WITH HER TO SHARE HIS LIFE WITH HER.
> if anyone has any advise maybe on how to apologize first if she doesnt
> take sorry for an answer and not kissing up either and i wont tell her she
> is right. and some advise on how to get along better with her.

A card with a simple line of "I'm sorry I've been insulting and
disrespectful to you" might be a good start.

THANKYOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS JESS.

THANKYOU,
Katikins
Kathleen - 02 Jun 2005 21:31 GMT
You describe your Father as a very sad man, who is totally controlled by
this new woman.  If that is the case, why bother?  It sounds to me like a
little bit of acceptance could go a long way.  There is no way you can get
your Dad to be the Dad you want.  There is no way you can get him to parent
you or your siblings the way you think he should be doing it.  Everyone here
can agree with you but it won't change your situation much.

I have no idea why your Dad never wore his ring before, but I can see how he
would not want to wear it now.  It makes total sense to me that I would want
to wear my current marraige's ring.

And, you might consider that all these problems are not because of this
woman.  I know, believe me, I am the queen of "Blame the new woman"
syndrome.  I did it for a long time.  It was really hard not to, because
before she came along things were fairly peachy.  Then there she was, and
what I describe as 'the hate campaign' began.  Well it ended up in felony
charges that had NOTHING to do with the woman.  How can you blame her?  So
you can go on and on and on about how it's all this woman's fault, but the
truth is that your Dad - for whatever reason - has given up his power, his
desires, his thoughts, whatever - to her because he cares more about her.
Maybe it's not right but it sounds like it's reality.  (Maybe not, just
going on what you say here)  Your Dad changed.  For some reason this woman
makes him happy, fulfills him, or even makes him miserable but there is some
reason he is with her.

I don't know if any of this is helpful.  I'm just throwing out some
thoughts.  I know, in my experience, I could not continue blaming.  At some
point I had to stand up and say "this is what happened.  I am sad about it,
I hate it, but it's the way it is.  I am not going to dwell on it, I am not
going to nurse my resentments and hate and bitterness about it, I am going
to be glad for the things I can be glad for and get on with my life.

With hope and heart,
Kathleen

> MY DAD DIDNT SAY ANYTHING, HE NEVER DOES. SHE PRETTY MUCH DOES ALL THE
> TALKING FOR HIM. WE GET TOGETHER EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND TALK AND WHEN I
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> ANYTHING. IF YOU ASKED ME I THINK HE REALLY DOESNT LOVE HER AND IS JUST
> WITH HER TO SHARE HIS LIFE WITH HER.
rebecca - 03 Jun 2005 01:47 GMT
> she said to me when i told her i wanted
> to take him out to eat... "oh, well you have to discuss that with him
> since i am not invited."

exact right answer.  Why put her in the middle of your relationship with
your dad, if you want to go out alone with him, you should tell him.

> then in a conversation about 8 months ago, i wanted to know why my dad
> never wore my mom and his wedding ring (concidering they were married 30
> years) and she told me i was out of line for asking. just recently i
> brought up that again and she said "you think he is going to wear a ring
> from another marriage" "you wont ever see him wearing it now. sorry."
> (my mom passed away from breast cancer 3.5 years ago.)

Sorry for your loss.  I lost my mom 2.5 years ago, and it still sucks every
day.  Again, I'm not clear why you're asking your stepmother these
questions.  Why can't you ask your dad?  I'd be/I am very uncomfortable when
my stepson asks me questions that I feel his father really should be
answering.

> She was pissed off at me because i didnt send her a mothers day card. she
> isnt my mother and i am still angry about the situation. it was lies ever
> since the beginning, ever since she walked into my dads life not even 6
> months after my mom passed away.

Well, putting on my compassionate hat, it sort of hurts when your
stepchildren don't like you.  Especially if it's escalated to name-calling.
She's married to your father, your father loves you, you think she sucks.
That's a hard triad to live in, when you're the unpopular one.

I also understand your feelings about the 6 month thing.  My dad remarried a
year after my mom died.  Even though he asked us first if we were okay with
it, it was still weird.  Because accepting that your dad has a new spouse
means really accepting that your mom's dead.  Does that make sense?  In my
case, they actually lived in the house my parents had lived in for 30 years
briefly while they were house-hunting.  That was harder than them getting
married.

> since the crib died. he knew i was going through an even more rough time
> and he just up's and abandons me like that. I've expressed how i felt
> several times but it always turns into an argument.

Maybe he feels guilty.  Maybe he's reacting to his own grief over your mom.
Doesn't really matter, it's his life and you can't _make_ him respond the
way you want him to.  People are the parents they want to be/can be.  And as
children, adult or not, we have to work on accepting that.  My dad's a
different parent now than he was with my mom, in some ways I like and in
some ways that make me sad.  My husband parents his son differently than he
might have if he'd stayed married to the biomom.

> after she said "you wouldnt ever see him wearing my mom and his wedding
> ring now. sorry" i called her a b*$#h and told her if she was my mother i
> would have taken my life by now. she told me not to try and contact her
> again.

You were out of line.

> i dont really care too much about having a relationship with her, i want
> to have a relationship with my dad. but i cant see or really talk to my
> dad with out going through her or her being there.

This is weird and wrong.  Have you tried calling your dad and work and
inviting him out?  Have you tried calling and asking for him directly?  You
should not be going through your stepmother for contact with your father.

rebecca
Vicki Robinson - 03 Jun 2005 16:04 GMT
In a previous article, "rebecca" <justrebecca5@yahoo.com> said:

>I also understand your feelings about the 6 month thing.  My dad remarried a
>year after my mom died.  Even though he asked us first if we were okay with
>it, it was still weird.  Because accepting that your dad has a new spouse
>means really accepting that your mom's dead.

My brother-in-law started dating six months or so after my sister
died, after a happy 25-year marriage.  He remarried less than two
years after her death.  I was bugged by it, but I know why; it was
because it meant that my sister really and truly was never coming
back.  That sounds funny, because of course we all know what death
means, but there's a part of you inside, not a rational part, that
doesn't get it, really.  And it was tough at my niece's wedding to see
my bil's new wife there, although she didn't take the Mother of the
Bride role.  But you know what?  It was tough for her too; all of the
family and friends that were there had known my sister for 30 years.
She had to hear "Oh, I wish Deb could have been here to see Katy get
married" probably a million times.

As hard as it was for us to accept her (and we did; she didn't kill my
sister, after all, and my bil is, at heart, a married man), she had a
lot to adjust to as well.  I don't think it's been easy for any of us.

Vicki
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rebecca - 03 Jun 2005 19:02 GMT
> I was bugged by it, but I know why; it was
> because it meant that my sister really and truly was never coming
> back.  That sounds funny, because of course we all know what death
> means, but there's a part of you inside, not a rational part, that
> doesn't get it, really.

Exactly right.  And at first, everything about them reminded me she was
dead.  When they held hands, when they discussed what they were going to do
that day, when he called her dear.  Hell, even when they _looked_ at each
other.  When he made her coffee.  We would all sort of clench up, because he
_wasn't_ doing any of that with/for my mom anymore.

I think time is really one of the only ways to get past this.

Now, all that being said, Katikins, your stepmom has some responsibility for
making a good relationship with you.  And if she's not holding up her end,
then you are somewhat limited in what you can do.  And your dad has
responsibility too.  So please don't think we're all just picking on you.

rebecca
Katikins - 03 Jun 2005 23:34 GMT
Now, all that being said, Katikins, your stepmom has some responsibility
for
making a good relationship with you.  And if she's not holding up her
end,

then you are somewhat limited in what you can do.  And your dad has
responsibility too.  So please don't think we're all just picking on you.

rebecca
>>> i don't think you are picking on me, i am afraid to have a
relationship with her because i have to walk on egg shells all the time. i
am afraid i am going to say something wrong so i dont bother at all. and
when she wants me to express myself i get shot right down there is only so
much i can take before i break down and not get back up again. i really
cant take anymore rejection or anything like that. i am sick of it and i
feel like she can say whatever she wants to me in response to me being
angry but i cant say what i want to her in response to her being angry.
its seems like she can dish it out but she can't take it.
~>Katikins
Katikins - 03 Jun 2005 23:27 GMT
> she said to me when i told her i wanted
> to take him out to eat... "oh, well you have to discuss that with him
> since i am not invited."

exact right answer.  Why put her in the middle of your relationship with
your dad, if you want to go out alone with him, you should tell him.
~~~~I Have told him several times that i wanted ~~~~to go out to eat with
him alone, (her sitting ~~~~right there of course me and him never have
~~~~~privacy) and she says that i have to discuss ~~~~~that with him since
she isnt invited (this ~~~~~is before he has a chance to answer)

> then in a conversation about 8 months ago, i wanted to know why my dad
> never wore my mom and his wedding ring (concidering they were married 30
> years) and she told me i was out of line for asking. just recently i
> brought up that again and she said "you think he is going to wear a ring
> from another marriage" "you wont ever see him wearing it now. sorry."
> (my mom passed away from breast cancer 3.5 years ago.)

Sorry for your loss.  I lost my mom 2.5 years ago, and it still sucks
every
day.  Again, I'm not clear why you're asking your stepmother these
questions.  Why can't you ask your dad?  I'd be/I am very uncomfortable
when
my stepson asks me questions that I feel his father really should be
answering.
~~~~I Really have no way of talking to him unless ~~~~she is there she
doesnt want any "secrets"

> She was pissed off at me because i didnt send her a mothers day card. she
> isnt my mother and i am still angry about the situation. it was lies ever
> since the beginning, ever since she walked into my dads life not even 6
> months after my mom passed away.

Well, putting on my compassionate hat, it sort of hurts when your
stepchildren don't like you.  Especially if it's escalated to
name-calling.
She's married to your father, your father loves you, you think she sucks.

That's a hard triad to live in, when you're the unpopular one.

I also understand your feelings about the 6 month thing.  My dad
remarried
a
year after my mom died.  Even though he asked us first if we were okay
with
it, it was still weird.  Because accepting that your dad has a new spouse

means really accepting that your mom's dead.  Does that make sense?  
~~~~~Its just the fact that he never asked us if ~~~~~we were okay with
it, she does all the ~~~~~talking, she said that they are getting
~~~~~married rather we like it or not. she said ~~~~~she didnt care about
how anyone else felt ~~~~just as long as they were happy.

In my case, they actually lived in the house my parents had lived in for
30
years
briefly while they were house-hunting.  That was harder than them getting

married.

> since the crib died. he knew i was going through an even more rough time
> and he just up's and abandons me like that. I've expressed how i felt
> several times but it always turns into an argument.

Maybe he feels guilty.  Maybe he's reacting to his own grief over your
mom.
Doesn't really matter, it's his life and you can't _make_ him respond the

way you want him to.  People are the parents they want to be/can be.  And
as
children, adult or not, we have to work on accepting that.  My dad's a
different parent now than he was with my mom, in some ways I like and in
some ways that make me sad.  My husband parents his son differently than
he
might have if he'd stayed married to the biomom.

> after she said "you wouldnt ever see him wearing my mom and his wedding
> ring now. sorry" i called her a b*$#h and told her if she was my mother i
> would have taken my life by now. she told me not to try and contact her
> again.

You were out of line.
~~~~~~ANd she wasnt out of line for saying "you ~~~~wouldnt ever see him
wearing my mom and his ~~~~~~wedding
~~~~~~ring now. sorry" she had no right to say ~~~~~that, i never said i
expected him to wear it ~~~~~now i was talking about BEFORE!!.

> i dont really care too much about having a relationship with her, i want
> to have a relationship with my dad. but i cant see or really talk to my
> dad with out going through her or her being there.

This is weird and wrong.  Have you tried calling your dad and work and
inviting him out?  Have you tried calling and asking for him directly?
~~~~Yes i have and he says that he needds to get ~~~~~home and feed the
animals and has to be home ~~~~right after work or she will be pissed off.
~~~~~my theory is that he doesnt care if he ~~~~pisses own children off
since he doesnt have ~~~~to live with them and deal with it but he has
~~~~~to live with her and deal with her being ~~~~pissed off so he just
kissees her butt.

You  should not be going through your stepmother for contact with your
father.
~~~~~Katikins
lescargot76@yahoo.com - 03 Jun 2005 08:58 GMT
<delurk>

Hi, Katikins,

Been there, done that, sort of.  When my mother died very suddenly,
all of us were past our teens and most of us were married or living
on our own.  Even though my father was devastated, there was a part
of me that realized before long that someday he would remarry.  I
was even okay with that, depending on who he married.

It was two or three years later when he finally proposed.  I hated
her.  I hated her sleazy sense of humor.  I hated the head games she
played on other members of my family.  I hated her disrespect for my
mother's family so much that I came very, very close to slapping her
filthy face.  I hated the way her kids were disrespectful of my
father.  There's more, but you get the picture.

I stayed as far away as I could for as long as I could.  During family
events at holidays, I spent as little time in her presence as I could
get away with, spoke to her as little as possible, and ate as little
of her cooking as I could.  Mother's Day didn't exist.  I made it a
point not to learn when her birthday was and to forget it every time
anyone called it to my attention.

She never actively came between me and my father, and as far as I know,
she never objected when he wanted to spend time with any of his
children,
with or without her.  We were always welcome in their home.

Fast forward lots of years.  He got sick, very sick, one of those long,
slow,
messy illnesses, with a whole bunch of complications on the side.  The
whole family pulled together to keep him as healthy as possible as long
as
possible.  I didn't believe she would stick it out to the end.  She
did.  She
needed help, as anyone would in that situation, but she did it.
Over the long haul, we became allies in keeping my father comfortable
and
happy.  She lost the dirty sense of humor somewhere.  She still did the
manipulation thing sometimes, but I learned to deal with it or ignore
it.  The
respect I now have for her grew mostly out of watching her persistence.

I hope you never have to go through anything like that last paragraph,
but
things can change for the better, even if that looks impossible now.
Miracles
happen.

Getting closer to your current situation, it sounds like you're still
hurting from losing your mother.  It's normal to take a long time to
recover, and I remember how much it hurt those first few years.
Counseling may help.  When my mom died, I needed outside help to
develop the coping skills I needed to become functional again.  There
are lots of places you can find that kind of help. Clergy or your
doctor should be able to point you to good counseling resources, or
if you're in school or have a job, they may have an assistance program.

If you've read a lot of the threads in this group, you've probably seen
people identifying problems as marital problems, not stepkid problems.
Reading what you've said and remembering what I went through, it looks
to
me like you have more parent problems than step parent problems.  I
know
how much easier it is to blame a stepparent, but the truth is that part
of the
trouble I had was that my father behaved differently around her than he
did
around my mother, and I didn't like the differences.  His change in
behavior
was not my stepmother's fault.  It was the result of his own choices.
I blamed
her anyway, because it was less painful for me to believe it was the
fault of
someone I didn't really care about than to accept that the only parent
I had
left was choosing to behave in a way that I rejected.

This is something else that counseling may help with.  I had to learn
that
people are responsible for their own choices and their own behavior.
I'm
responsible for how I act or react in a situation.  So was my father.

Can you get your father on the phone, just himself?  If not at home, at
work?
If so, ask him to dinner, or maybe lunch on a weekend, and make it
clear
that you would like some one-on-one father-daughter time.  That's an
okay
thing to ask for.  Then, if he accepts, please try hard not to put a
lot of
pressure on him, not the first time or two anyway.  There are a lot
of heavy things you need to discuss with him, but he doesn't sound like
a big talker even at the best of times.  If it works out, maybe you can
make
it a regular thing, once a month or so.  That's not excessive, but it
would
give you something to count on.  If the relationship problems with your
father continue but you really want a relationship with each other,
consider family counseling, at least enough to develop ways to
communicate.

If he declines or makes excuses, and it keeps happening, then that's a
parent issue, not a stepparent issue, no matter what reason he gives.
Your
stepmother was accurate when she said you would have to talk to your
father about just the two of you going out.  The "I'm not invited"
comment
could have been left out, but truly, if you want to see your father,
he's the one
to ask.

I could have written some of what you said about the wedding ring.
While
my mother was alive, he never wore his wedding ring but that never
seemed
to be a problem.  But I hated it that after he remarried he always wore
that
ring.  Thinking about it, I don't remember ever knowing of anyone who
has
been widowed and then remarried wearing a ring from the previous
marriage.  I would not have expected my father to wear my mom's ring
after his new marriage, whatever I thought of the woman he married.

For your relationship with your father's current wife, if you want to
have a relationship, then give it time.  Even if she were perfect, it
would take you
time to get used to the idea, and you haven't had nearly enough time
yet.

Please do forget about name calling, now or ever, her or anyone else,
and as soon as you can do it sincerely, apologize to her, for your own
sake.
If you want ideas how to do it, you can admit you were wrong to call
her
what you called her, say you're sorry, and ask for her forgiveness,
without making excuses for your behavior. If she doesn't want to talk
with
you, write her a note.  It's that important, and you don't have to say
she
was right to admit that in this situation your behavior was wrong.
Then
if she needs it, give her time to accept your apology.  Even if she
never
does, that's her problem, once you have made an honest try at making
things right.  Then don't repeat the behavior you had to apologize for.
:-)

Name calling is always bad for the name caller.  It's a kind of
bullying and it damages your integrity.  There are better ways of
dealing
with anger, and that's another area where counseling can help you.
(Can you
tell I'm a big fan of counseling?  Think of it as coping lessons, or
communication lessons, or anger management lessons.  Nobody is born
knowing how to deal with every situation in a healthy way, and you have
had to deal with more grief than most people your age.  Be kind to
yourself,
and find someone who can teach you to deal with the areas where you're
hurting.)

If you can help it, don't try to second-guess her motives.  You can
observe
her behavior, and if she keeps doing the same thing under the same
circumstances, you can call it a pattern and make plans to cope with
it,
but it is possible that she isn't doing it for the reasons you think
she's
doing it.  I've been astonished, amused, and bewildered when I've heard
some of the motives people have thought I had for things I have done,
even people who thought they knew me well.

Stay in touch.  This is a good group.  It deals out more tough love
than warm fuzzies, but if you're willing to learn, the tough love will
do you a lot of good.

Les

</delurk>
The Watsons - 03 Jun 2005 15:54 GMT
> ring.  Thinking about it, I don't remember ever knowing of anyone who
> has
> been widowed and then remarried wearing a ring from the previous
> marriage.  I would not have expected my father to wear my mom's ring
> after his new marriage, whatever I thought of the woman he married.

I do. It's on my right hand.

Jess
Zipadee - 03 Jun 2005 17:31 GMT
> > ring.  Thinking about it, I don't remember ever knowing of anyone who
> > has
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Jess

Yes, but Jess, your case is different, if I have followed things
correctly, because you have not remarried, right? So you don't
have another wedding ring.

Also, I assume, you did wear your wedding ring when your husband
was alive. The OP's father never did wear the wedding ring when
he was married to the OP's mom.

In any case, I certainly wouldn't expect the father to start
wearing the ring (on any hand) from his first marriage after
his second if he never wore that ring before.

-- Z
The Watsons - 03 Jun 2005 17:56 GMT
> Yes, but Jess, your case is different, if I have followed things
> correctly, because you have not remarried, right? So you don't
> have another wedding ring.

No, I have remarried.

> Also, I assume, you did wear your wedding ring when your husband
> was alive. The OP's father never did wear the wedding ring when
> he was married to the OP's mom.

I'd forgotten about that.

Jess
Zipadee - 03 Jun 2005 19:14 GMT
> > Yes, but Jess, your case is different, if I have followed things
> > correctly, because you have not remarried, right? So you don't
> > have another wedding ring.
>
> No, I have remarried.

I missed that, sorry. Well congratulations then (no matter how
belated)!

-- Z
The Watsons - 03 Jun 2005 19:48 GMT
> I missed that, sorry. Well congratulations then (no matter how
> belated)!

Thanks. :)

Jess
rebecca - 03 Jun 2005 18:59 GMT
> Also, I assume, you did wear your wedding ring when your husband
> was alive. The OP's father never did wear the wedding ring when
> he was married to the OP's mom.

I think the OP meant that the issue was dad didn't wear a ring for mom, but
wears one for the stepmom.  I don't think she meant that she wants dad to
wear mom's ring now, while married to someone else.

Could be wrong, though.

Rebecca
Katikins - 03 Jun 2005 23:48 GMT
> Also, I assume, you did wear your wedding ring when your husband
> was alive. The OP's father never did wear the wedding ring when
> he was married to the OP's mom.

I think the OP meant that the issue was dad didn't wear a ring for mom,
but
wears one for the stepmom.  I don't think she meant that she wants dad to

wear mom's ring now, while married to someone else.

Could be wrong, though.

Rebecca

>you are right Rebecca i never expected him to wear it now. i wanted to
know why he never wore it before. i wanted to know why he never wore my
moms ring but he would wear his "new wifes".
>Katikins
Vicki Robinson - 04 Jun 2005 00:04 GMT
In a previous article, "Katikins" <fububabyblue85@juno.com> said:

>>you are right Rebecca i never expected him to wear it now. i wanted to
>know why he never wore it before. i wanted to know why he never wore my
>moms ring but he would wear his "new wifes".

Because maybe it never meant a lot to your Mom, but it does to his
second wife?  You can't assume that it means that he loves his second
wife more than he loved your mom.  Or maybe he does.  As awful as that
would seem to you, remember that these are *his* relationships, not
yours, and you can't change (nor should you be able to) how he feels
about his wife or how he felt about your mom.

I say this kindly, really, I honestly do know how you feel.  I've lost
my dad, my mother and my sister, and I understand the adjustments
you're making.  But you cannot (and should not) affect your father's
relationships with anyone except yourself.  If you feel that your
stepmother is actively interfering with your relationship with your
father, my advice is to *calmly* address the issue with her.  Don't
tell her how she feels or what her motives are, tell her how you feel.
(In other words, don't say "You're keeping me away from my father."
Say "When I want to see my Dad, it seems to me that you try to prevent
me from seeing him.  Is there a problem?"  And then accept her
answer.  I don't mean you have to buy it, but you do have to accept
that it's her truth, and then you have to work from that.

You really should talk to someone about this.

Vicki
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Lori - 15 Jun 2005 05:33 GMT
>> Also, I assume, you did wear your wedding ring when your husband
>> was alive. The OP's father never did wear the wedding ring when
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> moms ring but he would wear his "new wifes".
>>Katikins

Maybe it wasn't something that was a big deal to your mother, but that his
wife now feels it's as important for him to wear a ring as it is for her?
Or, did he maybe have a job where he ought not wear any rings?  I worked for
several years in an auto plant, and one thing they told us was that if we
were on a job wear we didn't wear gloves, we might want to avoid wearing any
jewelry, including rings.  But whatever the reason, it's something that was
between him and your mother during their marriage, and is between him and
his wife now, during theirs.
Lori
Katikins - 15 Jun 2005 15:56 GMT
She still isnt talking to me she even went as far as blocking me on her
buddy list so i can not Instant Message her no more. I would be upset to
because of what i did say to her, but com'mon now "remembering we are
adults" as she would say its been like 2 weeks now and i wouldve gotten
over it by now. i have already apologized atleast 3 times now and sent her
a sorry card and still no word. but whatever now i guess it is so much
easier to just stay away and not talk to her or him ever again. the only
real problem i will have is with school and financial aide, i live on my
own, pay all of my own bills, work full time but yet the financial aide
goes by the "parents" w4 forms which i think in complete bull if you asked
me.
Kathleen - 15 Jun 2005 16:06 GMT
The Spirit Within - Two Wolves

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on
inside people.

He said, "My son, the battle is between two "wolves" inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance,
self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority,
and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather:
"Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

> She still isnt talking to me she even went as far as blocking me on her
> buddy list so i can not Instant Message her no more. I would be upset to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> goes by the "parents" w4 forms which i think in complete bull if you asked
> me.
Jess - 15 Jun 2005 20:08 GMT
> the only
> real problem i will have is with school and financial aide, i live on my
> own, pay all of my own bills, work full time but yet the financial aide
> goes by the "parents" w4 forms which i think in complete bull if you asked
> me.

If you're claimed on their taxes as a dependent, then you will be classified
as a dependent student. If you provide more than 51% of your own support and
file your own taxes, then you're an independent student.

The sticky widget is that not all colleges do independent student overrides.
Ask your financial aide monkey.

Jess
Jess - 15 Jun 2005 20:11 GMT
> She still isnt talking to me she even went as far as blocking me on her
> buddy list so i can not Instant Message her no more. I would be upset to
> because of what i did say to her, but com'mon now "remembering we are
> adults" as she would say its been like 2 weeks now and i wouldve gotten
> over it by now. i have already apologized atleast 3 times now and sent her
> a sorry card and still no word

You might have gotten over it in two weeks, she might not. All you can do is
wait and make sure your attitude and body language convey a genuine apology.

>. but whatever now i guess it is so much
> easier to just stay away and not talk to her or him ever again.

Entirely up to you, although making a last attempt to talk to your father is
only fair. You can't up the stakes on him without telling him.

Jess
lilblakdog - 04 Jun 2005 06:03 GMT
> I think the OP meant that the issue was dad didn't wear a ring for mom, but
> wears one for the stepmom.  I don't think she meant that she wants dad to
> wear mom's ring now, while married to someone else.

Once again, lil should read further before making explanations that have
already been made....

lil
lilblakdog - 04 Jun 2005 06:02 GMT
> Also, I assume, you did wear your wedding ring when your husband
> was alive. The OP's father never did wear the wedding ring when
> he was married to the OP's mom.

Actually, although that's sort of what she said, I don't think that's what
the original OP meant.

She'll have to stop me if I'm wrong, but I think it's come out that the
problem is that her father did not wear her mother's ring, *while they were
married*.  Now - married to another woman - he wears the new wife's ring.

I don't think she expects him to wear it now, but can't understand why he's
making more of an effort to be "married" to the new wife than her mother -
his wife of 30 years.

lil
 
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