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two questions about age "milestones"

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Terri and Rob - 02 May 2004 15:16 GMT
Hi Everyone,

I wonder if you could share your personal experience as to what age the
babies start to notice and interact with each other.  I have been told
that it is very cute to see, and I am still waiting for it to happen.
It would be great to have the video camera ready by then.  They are
currently four and a half months old and still don't bother much with
each other.

On a side note, at what age could you start to easily tell your
identicals apart?  We are still struggling with this and have to rely on
 nail polish on the toe and different clothing to put them in. It is
embarrassing, because we feel as their parents we should know
"automatically".  When does this get easier?

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shirley - 03 May 2004 00:54 GMT
I distinctly remember my now 9 year olds (going on 14), realizing there was
someone to interact (I can't say play with), at 7 months.  Sometime around 6
they tolerated each other but really to notice that there was someone to
play with, my books say 7 months.

As far as identical - can't help there as I have b/g twins.

Good luck.

Shirley
Kathleen and Chris 1/95

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Jonathan Wolgamuth - 03 May 2004 03:13 GMT
In message news:pp7lc.6210$3Q4.41594@news20.bellglobal.com on 02 May 2004,
Terri and Rob said to all at alt.parenting.twins-triplets

> I wonder if you could share your personal experience as to what age the
> babies start to notice and interact with each other.  I have been told
> that it is very cute to see, and I am still waiting for it to happen.
> It would be great to have the video camera ready by then.  They are
> currently four and a half months old and still don't bother much with
> each other.

I think it was roughly after 6 months that Henry began laughing at
something Ella was doing (at least that is what it seemed like to us!)  
Once it begins to happen, it might slowly grow into great entertainment
(for them and for you!)  Ella was sick for a couple days last week and
couldn't go to daycare, and whenever we would put Henry in the car to take
him to daycare he would peer over to Ella's seat to see if she was there.  
It is awesome to take a ride in the car with both of them and to hear them
both giggling at some inside joke that only they are in on!  BTW, they are
11 months old now.

> On a side note, at what age could you start to easily tell your
> identicals apart?  We are still struggling with this and have to rely on
>   nail polish on the toe and different clothing to put them in. It is
> embarrassing, because we feel as their parents we should know
> "automatically".  When does this get easier?

Obviously, I don't have identicals, but certainly would think that you
should not be embarassed about wanting to make sure you could properly
identify your children!  They are *identical* after all, right?  I look
forward to hearing others answers to this question.

Good luck and have fun!  They're only young once!

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Julie - 03 May 2004 11:30 GMT
This is one of those things that varies quite a bit, so I would make sure to
always have the camera battery charged.

My two started responding to each other at about 2 months or so (one month
adjusted).

Julie
Mom to Erica & Chris, 07/97

> Hi Everyone,
>
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> embarrassing, because we feel as their parents we should know
> "automatically".  When does this get easier?
Andrea - 03 May 2004 20:31 GMT
>I wonder if you could share your personal experience as to what age the
>babies start to notice and interact with each other.  I have been told
>that it is very cute to see, and I am still waiting for it to happen.

It was around 2-3 months of age. They would notice each each other, smile and
make noises if we held them up to each other.  It was pretty funny to watch.
:)  However, if they were on the floor together they didn't seem to notice each
other very much, until they were older.

>On a side note, at what age could you start to easily tell your
>identicals apart?  We are still struggling with this and have to rely on
>  nail polish on the toe and different clothing to put them in

Can't help you with that as mine are fraternal, but if it makes you feel any
better I mixed up my children a couple times when they were a few days old.  I
kept nail polish on Madison's toe for 2 weeks because I was so afraid of mixing
them up.  The older they got the less they looked alike.

Andrea
twin girls-Jordan & Madison
3/22/00
multimom4 - 04 May 2004 04:45 GMT
Mine were at least 5 and possibly 7 months (3.5 and 5.5, adj.).  And it was
a fairly brief thing -- one day the boys in particular just went nuts
playing with each other's hand(?) -- happily the nanny got it on tape so
I'll be able to take a look in years to come to refresh the details (haven't
had time yet :-).

But that was more or less a one-off and it was months more before they
really cared about each other again -- I guess the next occasion was about
the time they learned to climb on each other and bite  :-) (15 months).

So I guess some babies interact cute and young, and others, like mine, just
go straight to sibling rivalry at a later stage.

PS  The rivalry is still with us, leading to separate first grade classes,
swimming lessons, etc etc -- just a warning in case.

--Janet
Elliot, Hanna, Connor  (10/21/96)
and Holly  (4/4/01)

> Hi Everyone,
>
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> embarrassing, because we feel as their parents we should know
> "automatically".  When does this get easier?
Cindy Senger - 05 May 2004 02:14 GMT
Sibling rivalry has peaked around here and its driving me nuts!!!  A & A are at
each other's throats constantly-- teasing (I have the red sucker and you have a
purple one), insulting (I draw, write, jump, skip, etc. better than you),
wrestling, slapping, kicking... I could go on and on.  Jenna even got in on it
tonight-- she caught Allyson sitting on my lap on the floor and she crawled
over and tried with all her little might to push Allyson off of me.  She
finally resorted to hair-pulling which sent Allyson to the other side of the
room.  I thought it was just the almost-5-year-old-girl syndrome until that
episode.  How do you all deal with the rivalry?  A & A don't fight at school
(they are in the same preschool class 3 half-days a week) but are fighting
before we even get in the car to come home.  (They will be in different
classes in K-- will that help?)  Last night, I told them that they were no
longer allowed to be in the same room together.  So, the evening was somewhat
peaceful, but they were right back at it this morning...  Do I just have to
deal-- I was an only child so this is all new to me.

-Cindy (mom to Ashlyn and Allyson 6/99 and Jenna 6/03)

>Mine were at least 5 and possibly 7 months (3.5 and 5.5, adj.).  And it was
>a fairly brief thing -- one day the boys in particular just went nuts
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>> embarrassing, because we feel as their parents we should know
>> "automatically".  When does this get easier?
Terri and Rob - 06 May 2004 19:48 GMT
I think putting them in separate classes next year will make it at least
a little better.  I don't experience sibling rivalry within my own
children yet, but I am a teacher and have had experience with older
twins. It is usually recommended by my principal that twins be put into
separate classes because that way they get a break from each other.
Otherwise they are pretty much together 24-7 which is bound to instill
conflict in anyone.  As for your current situation, I have no answers,
since I have not experienced it in my own children yet.

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shirley - 09 May 2004 14:07 GMT
My 9 year olds (almost 9.5) are at not only separate classes but schools and
sibling rivalry is a matter of life.  We try to get each involved in
something else but there is still the "STOP IT" yelled at an volume of 10
and "you are a worm" (their vocabulary doesn't grow much either), and many
other things.  We usually say knock it off, but in a car or close together
they can either be their worst enemies or best friends.  Bribing works but
not all the time.  Short of telling them "I don't want to hear that" and
using the arbitration table if the problem is huge, I believe it's just
being brothers and sisters.  My pediatrician said that he and his twin could
not go down a hall without slugging each other to see how hard they could
hit the other one.  Generally mom never caught them but he said they lived
and are the best of friends (now in their 60's).  So I believe it a fact of
life, without letting them go too far and get too hurtful.  Apologize if
they have to after something really gross is said "you eat green
unmentionable".  Anyhow, they even pick up more fun things in school.  Good
luck.

Shirley

> I think putting them in separate classes next year will make it at least
> a little better.  I don't experience sibling rivalry within my own
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multimom4 - 10 May 2004 23:57 GMT
> My 9 year olds (almost 9.5) are at not only separate classes but schools and
> sibling rivalry is a matter of life.

We are working hard to separate ours more -- E has taken up tae kwon do
again, which all three used to do, but unless they beg neither of the others
will be permitted to invade this choice.  And of course three separate first
grade classes.  And this summer I have them enrolled in three separate
swimming lessons even though they are all basically at the same level.  I
*know* that separating them does help.  But still the rivalry (in the form
of "what's he got that I didn't and what am I missing out on?") remains
thick around here.   My mother sends them comics/magazines from time to time
and last Friday I gave each boy their favorite out of the package and then
watched in disbelief as they spent the next 15 minutes ignoring their own
but trying to shove their jealous noses into the *other's* magazine to see
what they were missing out on.

We try to get each involved in
> something else but there is still the "STOP IT" yelled at an volume of 10
> and "you are a worm" (their vocabulary doesn't grow much either), and many
> other things.

Don't forget "I'm telling Mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!" shrieked at high pitch.

> We usually say knock it off, but in a car or close together
> they can either be their worst enemies or best friends.

Ain't that the truth -- one day they're punching each other in the back
seat, the next they are giggling over (terrible) knock knock jokes.

> Bribing works but
> not all the time.

Maybe I'm cheap, but mostly I rely on threats, not promises.  :-)

> Short of telling them "I don't want to hear that" and
> using the arbitration table if the problem is huge, I believe it's just
> being brothers and sisters.

I'm glad to hear someone else has been trying the "I don't want to hear
that" line.  Mine frequently descends these days into "... so just go away",
too.  Or time out to calm down in their rooms.  Or anything else I can think
of that STOPS the noise FAST ....

I really hope it's all "normal" or I've got some maniacs on my hands.  But
judging by the agreement on this ng I feel somewhat reassured that it must
be ok.

<snip>

>Anyhow, they even pick up more fun things in school.

Another terrible truth.  Since entering first grade / public school system I
just cannot *believe* the burp/f**t/snot garbage that has suddenly appeared
and gets recirculated at every meal (why only at mealtimes, btw???????).
Coupled with "you stink" or "your breath stinks" or "I don't want to sit
next to X, (s)he stinks" or .....

Maybe being one of three girls I was more sheltered than I realized!

--Janet
Elliot, Hanna, Connor  (10/21/96)
and Holly  (4/4/01)

> Shirley
Julie - 11 May 2004 01:12 GMT
"multimom4" <multimom4@comcast.nospam.net> wrote in message
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> >Anyhow, they even pick up more fun things in school.
>
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>
> Maybe being one of three girls I was more sheltered than I realized!

Hey, Janet - I'm one of three girls, too.

As for the disgusting stuff that started coming up after they started
school, we simply remind them that they're welcome to talk like that any
time they like as long as they go to the bathroom to do so.  That was all it
took to kill the fun.

Julie
Mom to Erica & Chris, 07/97
multimom4 - 15 May 2004 01:31 GMT
> As for the disgusting stuff that started coming up after they started
> school, we simply remind them that they're welcome to talk like that any
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> Julie
> Mom to Erica & Chris, 07/97

One of my girlfriends here just told me about that yesterday -- I can't
**believe** I never thought of it.  I think I see light approaching fast at
the end of this tunnel.  :-)  Heh heh.

Thanks!

--Janet
Elliot, Hanna, Connor  (10/21/96)
Holly  (4/4/01)
Andrea - 09 May 2004 03:34 GMT
>Do I just have to
>deal-- I was an only child so this is all new to me.

I'm right there with ya Cindy.  :)   My girls have been going at it with each
other too and lately they've added the "My picture/hair/doll/_____(fill in the
blank) is prettier than yours" etc., etc.  It drives me up the wall!

 Madison is more physical with the abuse to her sister and Jordan is more
verbal with it.  Since I was an only child I don't know if it's just normal
sibling rivalry or if my kids are just hateful, horrible little creatures.  :{
Their hatefulness seems to be confined to each other, which I'm thankful for.
At least they don't treat their friends that way.

I do time-out for the behavior all the time it seems like.  I've also tried to
let them know how it makes the other one feel when they're mean to each other,
but that's not working either.  I wish I could give them more one-on-one time,
but I don't have the opportunity to do that much.  Sorry I'm not much help.  I
just wanted to commiserate with you.  :)

Andrea
twin girls-Madison & Jordan
3/22/00
Cindy Senger - 13 May 2004 02:27 GMT
Andrea-- I'm glad to hear someone else is going through this with me.  Like
you, I have one that is more physical and the other who is just meaner with the
things she says to her sister.  My girls' hatefulness seems to be confined to
each other and me for the most part.  I'm trying really hard to get "the mouth"
thing under control-- If they talk to me like this at four, the teen years
really scare me!!  That has actually gotten a bit better since I've gotten
"tougher" on it.  But, the hatefulness that goes on between them seems
neverending no matter what I do.

One-on-one time is tough around here also-- especially with Jenna added to the
mix.  It makes me feel guilty sometimes, but then I think how it would be so
nice to have a sibling as an adult-- and just hope they understand and
appreciate my efforts someday...

-Cindy (mom to Ashlyn and Allyson 6/99 and Jenna 6/03)

>>Do I just have to
>>deal-- I was an only child so this is all new to me.
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>twin girls-Madison & Jordan
>3/22/00
Jack H. - 18 May 2004 07:48 GMT
> Hi Everyone,
>
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> embarrassing, because we feel as their parents we should know
> "automatically".  When does this get easier?

I have a picture of the kids when they were just learning to raise
themselves off their bellies with their arms.
They are face to face and are squealing with delight as they look at each
other. I forget what age it was but that was the first as I recall.

Jack
GwenO MS - 18 May 2004 14:05 GMT
We thought that the babies seems to pretty much IGNORE one another for the
longest while... I mean that they had just about NOTHING to do with one
another, (maybe until they started walking? or even after that?).  We figured
that they'd had close enough contact for too long (in the womb).  They did play
a little bit in the tub (mostly stealing toys from one another), but when they
got mobile, and started to talk a little bit, they really began to interact.
Interesting...
Grandmom Gwen
 
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