Family Forum / Parenting / Spanking / November 2005

No-spank Gazette headline: School paddling in Shelbyville, TN causes
school shooting in Jacksboro, TN - 140 miles away.
Truth may be stranger than fiction, but the logic of no-spank science
is weirder than anything!

Adlerian/Montessori Way VS. "Helicopter" Parenting:
20/20 on Oct 21, 2005 featured 'Helicopter'  (i.e. Hovering) Parents:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1237868&page=1 (the entire
transcript can be read here)

On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would
have altered they way they vote.  California voters rejected all
initiatives on the ballot.  Texas voters banned gay marriage.
Sometimes voters are ripe for change.  They see transformations as

"I'm a person of faith, and here's who I am, and you're entitled to
know who I am because you ought to know about me, what's important to
me."
-- Timothy M. Kaine

Yet these things are said to be scientific. We study them. And I
think ordinary people with commonsense ideas are intimidated by
this pseudoscience. A teacher who has some good idea of how to
teach her children to read is forced by the school system to do it

"Spanking... increases the rate of street entries by children", wrote
Dr. Dennis Embry in a letter to Children Magazine.
Since 1977 I have been heading up the only long-term project designed
to counteract pedestrian accidents to preschool-aged children.

According to LaVonne: If I post, I'm harassing her.  If I don't it's
because I'm illogical.
According to Kane: He writes ad infinitum responses to my posts because
he's bored.  Actually, he seems more scared because he can't make me go

According to the Pew Research Center, only 29% of voters think the
Democratic Party is religion friendly.  Even Howard Dean acknowledged
that the Republican Party is "pretty much a white Christian party."
Yet, nearly 60 percent of Democratic voters attend church at least once

While superficially off-topic, the question of *What happened to
Democrats?* is entirely germane to the subject of spanking.
Today's Democrats are not the party of Franklin Roosevelt or John
Kennedy.  Nor, have Democrats been the same since Lyndon Johnson

Back in 1928, anyone could have *won* the debate over whether or not to
pick up a crying child by quoting from a just published book written by
the leading baby care expert of the day.  The Chicago Ph.D. advised
against it.

Despite the fact that spanking is probably much older than biblical
admonitions, no-spanks operate on the assumption that if they can just
get rid of the Bible, especially a few choice verses in Proverbs, then
spanking will disappear.  While not true, recent public opinion poll

rudeness:
Compared to 20 or 30 years ago, do you think people are more rude, less
rude, or about the same?

You appear not to respond to hard questions or want an honest debate.
I have responded to many of your posts and you have responded with silence.
Could it be you have no logical response?
LaVonne

"When does the logical become illogical or vice versa?" was going to be
among my next questions.  Logic, like crime, is relative.  So is
*common sense* and a host of other concepts.  As proven by differing
attitudes in Minnesota and Oklahoma, the logic of time and place also

...on a newsgroup on spanking posters in favor and apologists would
insist that they knew the line between spanking and abuse.
I asked a simple question.
Were is the line.